Jesus Was a Great Man

Started by debbiejo5 pages

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did Jesus teach that you could not get into heaven by works?
I thought it was others that said that. Jesus was more interested in a persons heart...ie fruits. His other writings were taken and twisted. Jesus never called himself god.

He didn't ?

Jesus was a good man. In my opinion, he's right up there with Siddhartha as being the greatest human ever.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Christ was a rebel..a non-violent rebel, but a rebel nonetheless, similiar to Ghandi.

🙁 Tell that to the fig trees.

But seriously I agree with your overall point.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
He didn't ?
No. Jesus said Me and the Father are one. That doesn't mean that he meant he and god are one. He also said that the only why to the Father is through me. That doesn't me he is the only way to heaven either.

I think Jesus was an enlightened being, like a lucid dreamer awakening to the reality of the Dream.

There you go again with that phrase..........lol

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Originally posted by debbiejo
No. Jesus said Me and the Father are one. That doesn't mean that he meant he and god are one. He also said that the only why to the Father is through me. That doesn't me he is the only way to heaven either.
Umm... the Hebrew word for one is one of essence, not purpose. He calls himself "I Am" which is the title of God. The Father is in Heaven according to Jesus, so the only way to heaven is through Jesus.

Anyways, Jesus was sweet.

Someone (Shaky I think) said something about living by his teachings, not his death. That is something I wholeheartedly agree with, although I would say, by his resurrection, not his death. The death is atonement, but there is no victory there. The resurrection is victory over sin and that is basically where all the good things Christians should be doing stem from.

Gregory-the only sources we have to go on about Jesus Christ are the Bible and the Roman documents.

The Roman documents were founded, and are unbiased, because Jesus was recorded as a criminal. Jesus was a real person you know...unlike God and Satan, Jesus isn't made up. It's just the myths about his resurrection that are.

Uh huh. And which Roman documents would these be?

(I said I wasn't trying to start an argument ... apparently, I'm not succeeding.)

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
the only sources we have to go on about Jesus Christ are the Bible and the Roman documents.

Youre forgetting a major one: the Koran.

Jesus is mentioned by name 93 time in the Koran, which is more than he is in the entire Bible.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Youre forgetting a major one: the Koran.

Jesus is mentioned by name 93 time in the Koran, which is more than he is in the entire Bible.

Dude, thanks for sharing. Thats pretty damn interesting.

I think we're trying to restrict ourselves to at least semi-contemporary sources, here. The Koran wasn't written until over 500 years after Jesus' death, so it's not much of a source for our purposes.

Originally posted by Gregory
Uh huh. And which Roman documents would these be?

(I said I wasn't trying to start an argument ... apparently, I'm not succeeding.)

Tacticus and Pliny are probably what he is referring to.

Tacticus and Pliny don't talk about his teachings, do they? They just mention that he lived and was crucified. I certainly never questiond that.

Again, I'm not saying that I think Jesus was a bad guy; just that if he was, we'd never know. It's the sort of thing that's interesting to consider for an hour or two, but not much use in practice.

Originally posted by Gregory
The Koran wasn't written until over 500 years after Jesus' death, so it's not much of a source for our purposes.

Sure it is.

Originally posted by debbiejo
There you go again with that phrase..........lol

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You know what im not sure if he was a pacifist. Apparently there were followers after his death called zealots that used violence.

Apparently when they were in the garden and one of his followers cut off the Romans ear. Jesus was against it because it would have made the situation worse not because he used violence. Thats just one opnion.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Youre forgetting a major one: the Koran.

Jesus is mentioned by name 93 time in the Koran, which is more than he is in the entire Bible.

And? Muhammad's first wife was Christian, who told him the stories of the bible, and Jesus.

Thats why Qur'an has errors in it.

Qur'an mentions Mary as the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran. The Qur'an has confused Jesus' mother with Aaron's sister because both of them carry the same name, though there are several centuries between them.

Originally posted by Nellinator
[B]Umm... the Hebrew word for one is one of essence
. Could mean we are of the same essence also, and he was showing us that.
Anyways, Jesus was sweet.
Mary thought so.

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Originally posted by debbiejo
. Could mean we are of the same essence also, and he was showing us that.
No it can't. Not in the context with that word.