I'd still give this too Blade. Stats alone. He has mastered several martial arts, and has killed several opponents more powerful than he is.
Lets not forget him stalemating Wolverine. And he can tank bullets. I don't see Bruce putting him down without prep.
Bruce hasn't been shown to have overall swordsmanship on Blade's level. And Blade really doesn't have any exploitable weaknesses
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I'd still give this too Blade. Stats alone. He has mastered several martial arts, and has killed several opponents more powerful than he is.Lets not forget him stalemating Wolverine. And he can tank bullets. I don't see Bruce putting him down without prep.
Bruce hasn't been shown to have overall swordsmanship on Blade's level. And Blade really doesn't have any exploitable weaknesses
Blade doens't have any speed or strength feats on par with Batman's best, so that "stats alone" statement doesn't really tread any water. Lets see how those points look if we replace Blade with Batman, shall we? Batman has mastered every martial art, and beaten many opponents more powerful than Blade could even dream of. Yikes.
Blade has "tanked" three bullets to the leg... so his ability to "tank" bullets is slightly above Batgirl's and significantly below Captain America (who has shrugged off machine gun fire the chest / arms even without his armor).
Batman has beat Ras a sword fight... which is more impressive than anything Blade has done with a sword (ie: nothing). Blade's swords skill has even been called "weak" on panel.
Blade didn't stalemated Wolverine. He got stomped into the ground and then tried to turn the tides with a plot device. A plot device we now know wouldn't work after the events of Curse of the Mutants.
Batman would beat Blade in just about any scenario you can dream up for solid majority.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade doens't have any speed or strength feats on par with Batman's best, so that "stats alone" statement doesn't really tread any water. Lets see how those points look if we replace Blade with Batman, shall we? Batman has mastered [b]every martial art, and beaten many opponents more powerful than Blade could even dream of. Yikes.Blade has "tanked" three bullets to the leg... so his ability to "tank" bullets is slightly above Batgirl's and significantly below Captain America (who has shrugged off machine gun fire the chest / arms even without his armor).
Batman has beat Ras a sword fight... which is more impressive than anything Blade has done with a sword (ie: nothing). Blade's swords skill has even been called "weak" on panel.
Blade didn't stalemated Wolverine. He got stomped into the ground and then tried to turn the tides with a plot device. A plot device we now know wouldn't work after the events of Curse of the Mutants.
Batman would beat Blade in just about any scenario you can dream up for solid majority. [/B]
I get it your being sarcastic. Blade has tanked Bullets to the Abdomen and straight to his head and been fine.
Post the scan of Cap taking machine gun fire direct hits to the chest and arms and not feeling it. Cause I'll call bs right now without armor. And it better be a lot of bullets. Cause 1 or 3 bullets is nothing.
unlike Batman.
http://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpg
And we are talking about Batman not Cap here. Cap is above Batman.
Batman has no skill feats on Blade's level. Beating Ra's means nothing to Blade. Nightwing schooled Ra's. Blade would destroy Ra's.
Blade would have killed Logan but he lets him live at the last minute.
Since you seem to have a lack of knowledge about Blade I will borrow some images from the Respect thread, courtesy of Snoop Dog:
Blade's feats are way beyond human
Rips the head off of a vampire with one hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...gth/th_BHR1.jpg
Cracks the skull of a Mindless One with a punch:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ntiumodachi.jpg
Throws a knife with enough force to knock a vampire off of Spider-Man who was strong enough to hold him down like a baby:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...avingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...vingspidey2.jpg
Holds the massive vampire demon god the Reaper over his head:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eliftreaper.jpg
Easily shoves a large vampire called Whiteworm quite a distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strengthWiz.jpg
Casually rips open a set of metal elevator doors bending them in the process:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...tiumodachi2.jpg
Burrows his way to the surface with his hands from a underground cave:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...igginBlade2.jpg
One handed throws a vampire across a bar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...trengthTOD1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...engthTOD1-2.jpg
Easily tears a metal door from the hinges:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumps2.jpg
Again, with one hand Blade tosses a vampire over a high security fence:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...estrength-1.jpg
Breaks the coils of Deacon Frost by breaking his arms apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladebreaks.jpg
Breaks the back of a vampire assasin:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...beakingback.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eakingback2.jpg
With a injured arm tosses a vampire straight into the air then easily snaps a stone sword and kills her on her way down:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strengthSOF.jpg
Breaks out of Deacon Frost's grip and stakes his ass:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...deandFrost2.jpg
After getting shot Blade kicks down a metal door and bends it from the force of the kick:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladekicks.jpg
Blade knocks down and bends another fairly thick metal door:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...trengthSOF2.jpg
Holds a thug by the throat effortlessly in the air by one hand with his arm outstretched:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strenthNS17.jpg
Again single handedly holds a vampire with his arm outstretched off a rooftop with ease(during WWII):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladedracula.jpg
Blade overpowers two MI:13 agents who were trying to restrain him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladejumps.jpg
Moves out of the way of an attack and is at his oppenents back before she knows he's not even there:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladefaster.jpg
Then after that with a gun to his back he knocked the weapon out of her hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladefaster2.jpg
Evades a Spitfire speedblitz and kicks her in the gut:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladedodge.jpg
After unexpectedly getting shot in leg by multiple machine gun fire Blade still has the speed to evade a barrage of machine gun bullets:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedv21.jpg
Evades machinegun fire from a fairly close distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedSOF.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...despeedSOF2.jpg
Ducks under a point blank gun shot after it was fired and slices the vamps gunhand off:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladeducks.jpg
Acts with speed and a lethal attack:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladesneaky.jpg
Slices up a vampire into 7 pieces and sheaths his sword before the vamp falls apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladeslicin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladeslicin2.jpg
Blocks gunfire using a chain:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...despeedNS10.jpg
Catches Morbius while running across some rooftops:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...speedfeat24.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eedfeat24-2.jpg
"he's too fast":
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adefastMSU2.jpg
Catches two knives tossed at him with ease:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adereflexes.jpg
Speed blitzes the Whiteworm:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladefast-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladefast2.jpg
Blade has "blinding speed and reflexes":
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...inorhealing.jpg
Evades multiple lazers:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dodginBVH10.jpg
Bullet reaction feat here:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...reakincuffs.jpg
Blade speedblitzed a large group of armed vampires:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adekickinss.jpg
Evades close machine gun fire and is stated to move like lightning:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/Bladefast.jpg
Jumps so high the Shield agents thought he was flying:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumpin.jpg
Jumps out of a airplane and lands on his feat:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladejumps.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumps2.jpg
Jumps out a 3rd story window and lands on his feet:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...aderoofjump.jpg
Jumps off the top of a good sized bulding and lands on his feet again:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...vsgoulsMSU2.jpg
Closes a huge gap and kills a cop before he can pull the trigger:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladesmokin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...-Bladesense.jpg
Steals a set of keys to his handcuffs without the cops even aware of it:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...pickinlocks.jpg
Evades Spider-X's acid venom and X was said he was faster and more agile than Spider-Man:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dodgeMSU3-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dgeMSU3-2-1.jpg
Evades machinegun fire from three vampires:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedBVH.jpg
Moves out of the way of Pete Wisdom's hot knives regardless of Pete's comments if Blade hadn't sidestepped it would have hit dead on him instead of nicking him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...deknowledge.jpg
With the grace of a matator Evades and attack from a airborn vampire:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladedodge-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladedodge2.jpg
First I wanna make this clear that I'm not ignoring feats nor is my argument biased. I don't go for a character just because I like/read about them. If a character is outclassed, which Frank is when compared to Bruce. My common sense has to factor in. I'm not ignoring a feat that is used to show Frank somehow having a tougher mental fortitude, by adding feats of Bruce that are clearly tougher then what was used for him. Deadline, Really? Are you going to talk about Frank sustaining "horrific injuries"? You do know that Bruce has taking massive amounts of pain/injuries and never quit on countless times. So he had his family burnt alive. Yeah that's ****ing hardcore, yeah!! Sure, but so is standing before a god, proceeding to punch him in the face twice and make demands. What's your point? If your going to use a feat, use one that's out of Bruce's league. Not the one you think is more hardcore.
Trackz, I may not know everything about The Punisher. But as you pointed out, neither do you. I do know enough to know Bruce is physically and mentally superior to him. Bruce has the years of constant rigorous training to back that. What you did was use a situation where Bruce's love for a family long lost took hold. For him that's understandable. It's not the hardest thing he's been through, the world is still here so something good happened, right?
Originally posted by Marvelknight
First I wanna make this clear that I'm not ignoring feats nor is my argument biased. I don't go for a character just because I like/read about them. If a character is outclassed, which Frank is when compared to Bruce. My common sense has to factor in. I'm not ignoring a feat that is used to show Frank somehow having a tougher mental fortitude, by adding feats of Bruce that are clearly tougher then what was used for him. Deadline, Really? Are you going to talk about Frank sustaining "horrific injuries"? You do know that Bruce has taking massive amounts of pain/injuries and never quit on countless times. So he had his family burnt alive. Yeah that's ****ing hardcore, yeah!! Sure, but so is standing before a god, proceeding to punch him in the face twice and make demands. What's your point? If your going to use a feat, use one that's out of Bruce's league. Not the one you think is more hardcore.Trackz, I may not know everything about The Punisher. But as you pointed out, neither do you. I do know enough to know Bruce is physically and mentally superior to him. Bruce has the years of constant rigorous training to back that. What you did was use a situation where Bruce's love for a family long lost took hold. For him that's understandable. It's not the hardest thing he's been through, the world is still here so something good happened, right?
Bruce may be superior, but I was just saying I don't believe he leagues above Frank, they are at least comparable in my opinion. I mean the death of his family is what made him Batman, similar to how the death of Franks family made him the Punisher. Don't you think literally sitting back and trying to restrain yourself while you watch your parents get murdered would be mentally straining?
also yea something good did happen, but it involved different dimensions and everything.
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I get it your being sarcastic. Blade has tanked Bullets to the Abdomen and straight to his head and been fine.Post the scan of Cap taking machine gun fire direct hits to the chest and arms and not feeling it. Cause I'll call bs right now without armor. And it better be a lot of bullets. Cause 1 or 3 bullets is nothing.
unlike Batman.
http://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpg
And we are talking about Batman not Cap here. Cap is above Batman.
Batman has no skill feats on Blade's level. Beating Ra's means nothing to Blade. Nightwing schooled Ra's. Blade would destroy Ra's.
Blade would have killed Logan but he lets him live at the last minute.
Since you seem to have a lack of knowledge about Blade I will borrow some images from the Respect thread, courtesy of Snoop Dog:
Blade's feats are way beyond human
Rips the head off of a vampire with one hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...gth/th_BHR1.jpgCracks the skull of a Mindless One with a punch:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ntiumodachi.jpgThrows a knife with enough force to knock a vampire off of Spider-Man who was strong enough to hold him down like a baby:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...avingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...vingspidey2.jpgHolds the massive vampire demon god the Reaper over his head:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eliftreaper.jpgEasily shoves a large vampire called Whiteworm quite a distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strengthWiz.jpgCasually rips open a set of metal elevator doors bending them in the process:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...tiumodachi2.jpgBurrows his way to the surface with his hands from a underground cave:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...igginBlade2.jpgOne handed throws a vampire across a bar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...trengthTOD1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...engthTOD1-2.jpgEasily tears a metal door from the hinges:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumps2.jpgAgain, with one hand Blade tosses a vampire over a high security fence:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...estrength-1.jpgBreaks the coils of Deacon Frost by breaking his arms apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladebreaks.jpgBreaks the back of a vampire assasin:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...beakingback.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eakingback2.jpgWith a injured arm tosses a vampire straight into the air then easily snaps a stone sword and kills her on her way down:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strengthSOF.jpgBreaks out of Deacon Frost's grip and stakes his ass:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...deandFrost2.jpgAfter getting shot Blade kicks down a metal door and bends it from the force of the kick:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladekicks.jpgBlade knocks down and bends another fairly thick metal door:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...trengthSOF2.jpgHolds a thug by the throat effortlessly in the air by one hand with his arm outstretched:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...strenthNS17.jpgAgain single handedly holds a vampire with his arm outstretched off a rooftop with ease(during WWII):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladedracula.jpgBlade overpowers two MI:13 agents who were trying to restrain him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladejumps.jpgMoves out of the way of an attack and is at his oppenents back before she knows he's not even there:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladefaster.jpgThen after that with a gun to his back he knocked the weapon out of her hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladefaster2.jpgEvades a Spitfire speedblitz and kicks her in the gut:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladedodge.jpgAfter unexpectedly getting shot in leg by multiple machine gun fire Blade still has the speed to evade a barrage of machine gun bullets:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedv21.jpgEvades machinegun fire from a fairly close distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedSOF.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...despeedSOF2.jpgDucks under a point blank gun shot after it was fired and slices the vamps gunhand off:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladeducks.jpgActs with speed and a lethal attack:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladesneaky.jpgSlices up a vampire into 7 pieces and sheaths his sword before the vamp falls apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladeslicin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladeslicin2.jpgBlocks gunfire using a chain:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...despeedNS10.jpgCatches Morbius while running across some rooftops:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...speedfeat24.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...eedfeat24-2.jpg"he's too fast":
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adefastMSU2.jpgCatches two knives tossed at him with ease:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adereflexes.jpgSpeed blitzes the Whiteworm:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladefast-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladefast2.jpgBlade has "blinding speed and reflexes":
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...inorhealing.jpgEvades multiple lazers:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dodginBVH10.jpgBullet reaction feat here:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...reakincuffs.jpgBlade speedblitzed a large group of armed vampires:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adekickinss.jpgEvades close machine gun fire and is stated to move like lightning:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...d/Bladefast.jpgJumps so high the Shield agents thought he was flying:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumpin.jpgJumps out of a airplane and lands on his feat:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Bladejumps.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladejumps2.jpgJumps out a 3rd story window and lands on his feet:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...aderoofjump.jpgJumps off the top of a good sized bulding and lands on his feet again:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...vsgoulsMSU2.jpgCloses a huge gap and kills a cop before he can pull the trigger:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladesmokin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...-Bladesense.jpgSteals a set of keys to his handcuffs without the cops even aware of it:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...pickinlocks.jpgEvades Spider-X's acid venom and X was said he was faster and more agile than Spider-Man:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dodgeMSU3-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...dgeMSU3-2-1.jpgEvades machinegun fire from three vampires:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adespeedBVH.jpgMoves out of the way of Pete Wisdom's hot knives regardless of Pete's comments if Blade hadn't sidestepped it would have hit dead on him instead of nicking him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...deknowledge.jpgWith the grace of a matator Evades and attack from a airborn vampire:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ladedodge-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Bladedodge2.jpg
Blade has never tanked a bullet to the head, and he "tanks" bullets to the chest because he wears a bullet proof vest, if that counts as "tanking" bullets, than Batman has tanked a high caliber sniper bullet to the head and shrugged it off when Hama was on the book. Blade has even been koed form a bullet to the chest while wearing a Dupont vest. Get your facts straight or not bother to post.
Blade has no skill feats on Batman's level. Ra's is a more skilled swordsman than Blade, hell Nightwing is a more skilled swords man than Blade. He has been disarmed in a panel by a random vampire and was chided for his lack of skill with a sword. Blade has never beat anyone of note with a sword, and he has some embarrassing loses. Batman is a more skilled swords man.
Aside from ripping someones head off, which he did after consuming the blood of a powerful vampire which is established in Marvel canon to boost the physical capabilities of vampires (which is how Dracula became Lord of the Vampires in the first place, and Nosferatu had a similar plot), which of those feats to do you feel show that Blade is faster or stronger than Batman?
And you are lucky I have read every Blade appearance and can ascertain what the feat is by the heading because not of the links you posted work.
