If We Have No Self...

Some people divide the self in three, others in five, others in seven. I always got confused with those divisions but they are basically the same thing.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[But I have a personal confusion with this...

If we have no True Self, then why do we all have a tendency to be Lonely ?

Why do we have an innate desire to be social ? To have someone Love us ? For companionship ?

Because we have a true self.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because we have a true self.

How do you define a self ? You mean a soul ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How do you define a self ?

I'm going to a seminar today. I'll get back with you. *Puts on thinking cap* 😖mart:

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How do you define a self ?

Problems arise when the ego (the self identifiying with properties of the mental-symbolic domain) sees itself as God rather than a step toward Godhood.

Originally posted by Mindship
...Problems arise when the ego (the self identifiying with properties of the mental-symbolic domain) sees itself as God rather than a step toward Godhood.

How would such a problem manifest its self?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How would such a problem manifest its self?

The separate self intuitively, unconsciously senses its full potential as God. However, in order to actualize this potential, the separate self has to "die" the way, eg, the acorn has to "die" to become a mighty oak. But Death Terror prevents the ego from accepting death, indeed, the ego avoids death/death terror at all costs. But at the same time, without "dying," self-development cannot continue on to Godhood.

So, in trying to have its existential cake and eat it too, the ego tries to make itself into God...which, for so many obvious reasons, is a path inevitably doomed to utter and complete failure. But the ego will try, nonetheless, and in the process (as so much of history attests) it will often leave untold death and destruction in its wake.

Originally posted by Mindship
According to the transpersonal model, this is the catch-22 of human existence:

The separate self intuitively, unconsciously senses its full potential as God. However, in order to actualize this potential, the separate self has to "die," the way, eg, the acorn has to "die" to become a mighty oak. But Death Terror prevents the ego from accepting death, indeed, the ego avoids death/death terror at all costs. But at the same time, without "dying" self-development cannot continue on to Godhood.

So, in trying to have its existential cake and eat it too, the ego tries to make itself into God...which, for so many obvious reasons, is a path inevitably doomed to utter and complete failure. But the ego will try, nonetheless, and in the process (as so much of history attests) it will often cause untold death and destruction in its wake.

But the answer is so simple; we are God, but that does not mean much because everything else is God also. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the answer is so simple; we are God, but that does not mean much because everything else is God also. 😉

If we have no True Self, then why do we all have a tendency to be Lonely ?

Why do we have an innate desire to be social ? To have someone Love us ? For companionship ?

self for me: at its most basic and fundamental, awareness of one's own existance. so i do believe the self exists. however its basics are not free will/choice or reason, just awareness of it own existance{which in turn is based on its ability to be aware, circular i know} also to a ccertain limited degree awareness of its surrounding which becomes the context to form the idea of AWARENESS.

loneliness for the most part ie either desire or need. but for some situations i believe, it isnt true, it is possible for a man to be completely selfless and yet be lonely, in complete innocence not perverted even by the most basic of instincts. this is because the conciounce/soul was not formed whole, but the very core of our existance was lacking, n this can only be filled with love of another/others or love for another/other, a combination of both actually. with that we can be whole again, complete in ourself. also this hole can be to a great extent filled by becoming one with our origin by truly first knowin, then enderstanding and finally grasping and comprehending and hence becoming one with our origin and also oddly end. however the essential aspect of love of another conciounce and love for another conciounce still remains i believe. unless our origin's conciounce cud in some way be compared to some selfless human.{lol, its sorta like the lifestream in FF7, or gai, the spirit of all things, the place where all life originates and returns to} as i doubt the last percent of becoming whole cud ever be filled by even the origin as i think ud need a soul{or watever it is} who atleast can like u understand the pain of being able to have a conciounce {i think parts of the origin break off gain self awareness and become what we call souls} as opposed to the joy and ease of just NOT being in the sense we see existance to mean{the origin, wud seem to us like non existance}. with the understanding of the origin, and love of and for the other half, u MIGHT become whole.

lol, this is the softer part of me talkin today for some reason.

That is a very interesting perspective Leon, thanks 👆