Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This must be a special "downgrading" sun.Some of the characters here that supposedly have a chance are laughable.
most of the heroes I picked all have done simular feats allready .(I know my spelling is bad)
Quasar has went into the sun to fix it (it was damaged when the Kree Nega bomb went off )
Phoenix 1&2 ... well we all know about them , next .
Mr. M can basicly do whatever the hell he wants (he's like Beyonder light)
after surviving on the sun and adapting to it, and after fighting Superman in it, I belive he could elvolve into somthing too much for Supes to handle.
Thanos well ... he's Thanos ! He wold dogwalk Superman in a thousand diffrent ways.
Originally posted by complexbrother
most of the heroes I picked all have done simular feats allready .(I know my spelling is bad)Quasar has went into the sun to fix it (it was damaged when the Kree Nega bomb went off )
Quasar get's stomped.
Originally posted by complexbrother
Phoenix 1&2 ... well we all know about them , next .
We know Phoenix can get KO'd. The human shell is the problem there.
Originally posted by complexbrother
Mr. M can basicly do whatever the hell he wants (he's like Beyonder light)after surviving on the sun and adapting to it, and after fighting Superman in it, I belive he could elvolve into somthing too much for Supes to handle.
This is better. A quick KO changes things though.
Originally posted by complexbrother
Thanos well ... he's Thanos ! He wold dogwalk Superman in a thousand diffrent ways.
Terrible reasoning.
"He's Superman...he wins!" I'll just burn all my comics and say this from now on.
Originally posted by Soljer
👆Props to you for being honest and not getting all pissy like most posters do when challenged. Very mature.
thanks soljer....well, there is no point in getting pissy anyway...it's not what these forums are about. I admit that I don't know as much about a lot of these characters as many posters do...I don't go out buying comic books of every character...just the one's I really care about...and Surfer was never a comic I read..lol
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Your list missed the point of this topic.At upper levels those guys are all far above sub-skyfather.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Yeah, if you make it herald level then your giving supes an unfair advantage.
Elemental Firestorm
Phoenix
Avatar Starhawk
Galactus
Ion
Tyrant
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
1.Quasar get's stomped.2.We know Phoenix can get KO'd. The human shell is the problem there.
3.This is better. A quick KO changes things though.
4.Terrible reasoning.
"He's Superman...he wins!" I'll just burn all my comics and say this from now on.
1 Quasar has fought a won aginst some of hte most powerful in the Marvel U. with the intellegent use of his shields, energy manip powers (just like Green Lantern's) and power absorbing.. err power, he could put a flexible shield around Supes (so he couldn't punch his way out) and keep him from absorbing power anew,and take the yellow radation from him
2. Phoenix has multiple showings that she/they can take someoine of Supes calibur out .
3. After the intinal blow Darwin elvolves into somthing much more. (he's like Doomsday on horse steriods, or Goku from DBZ, the more he fights the stronger he becomes)
4. Ok let's say .. thanos could decapitate Supes, or he could turn Supes into jello, or could dismantle Supes powers (by changing Clarks DNA into a baseline human's) and let hif fry to a crisp, or he could teleport Supes into a giant red sun, or he could mysticaly go back in time to blow up Supes planet of birth b4 his grandparents were even born, or he could change hte sun's energy to make it posinous to the Kryptionan, ... I could go on .
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Honestly, no...that's why I asked
ok here goes ...
Powers
The Silver Surfer wields "the power cosmic", absorbing and manipulating the universe's ambient cosmic energies. He can augment his strength to incalculable levels, and is almost totally indestructible. He can navigate space, hyperspace and dimensional barriers, and can fly at near-limitless speeds on his board, entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed. He has even proven capable of time travel on occasion. The Surfer does not require food, drink, air or sleep, sustained entirely by converting matter into energy. He is immune to temperature extremes and radiation, and can survive in vacuum environments such as outer space and hyperspace. He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting elements. He can heal living beings (though he cannot raise the dead), and has proven capable of revitalizing or evolving organic life on a planet wide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter, cast illusions, fire energy blasts, form and manipulate energy constructs, manipulate gravity, absorb and discharge most forms of energy, and phase through solid matter. His senses enable him to detect objects and energies light years away, and to perceive matter and energy in subatomic detail; he can even see through time, and with concentration can achieve limited perception of past and future events in his general vicinity. The Surfer has demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion, and has proven able to influence human emotion and sensation.
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Paraphernalia
The Surfer's board is composed of the same impervious, cosmic-powered silvery material as its master's skin, and is mentally linked to the Surfer; it moves in response to his thoughts, even when he is not in physical contact with it. The board is almost totally indestructible, but on those rare occasions where it has been damaged or destroyed, the Surfer has been able to repair or even re-create it. The Surfer can attack opponents remotely by directing the board against them, and the board is capable of absorbing and imprisoning other beings, at least temporarily.
Originally posted by complexbrother
1 Quasar has fought a won aginst some of hte most powerful in the Marvel U. with the intellegent use of his shields, energy manip powers (just like Green Lantern's) and power absorbing.. err power, he could put a flexible shield around Supes (so he couldn't punch his way out) and keep him from absorbing power anew,and take the yellow radation from him
Sundipped Supes was going through Brainiac/Imperiex powered based tendrils and shields with no problem. Nobody else in the universe was able to dent these outside of Entropy Aegis Steel.
Quasar isn't on the same playing field.
Originally posted by complexbrother
2. Phoenix has multiple showings that she/they can take someoine of Supes calibur out .
And standard Supes has showing showing he can take someone of Phoenix's power out.
She has trouble with xmen for god's sake.
At full potential, yea, she can take out Clark though.
Originally posted by complexbrother
3. After the intinal blow Darwin elvolves into somthing much more. (he's like Doomsday on horse steriods, or Goku from DBZ, the more he fights the stronger he becomes)
A ko is a ko. Supes will be rapidly evolving in the sun as well.
Originally posted by complexbrother
4. Ok let's say .. thanos could decapitate Supes, or he could turn Supes into jello, or could dismantle Supes powers (by changing Clarks DNA into a baseline human's) and let hif fry to a crisp, or he could teleport Supes into a giant red sun, or he could mysticaly go back in time to blow up Supes planet of birth b4 his grandparents were even born, or he could change hte sun's energy to make it posinous to the Kryptionan, ... I could go on .
Thanos hasn't even been shown to be in regular Superman's strength level and durability. Sun amped Supes wasn't shown to have any weaknesses. He took Entropy blasts like it was nothing.
Thanos is still Darkseid lite. He loses this in a stomp.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Darwin vs Superman would be great, merely because he'd simply keep evolving into a more powerful being as the fight lasted.By the end of the fight, he'd be an above the top tier for sure.
And i didn't see much from Elemental Firestorm that tells me he's beyond subskyfather level.
Well he'd certainly have insane durability but has he ever adapted offensively?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sundipped Supes was going through Brainiac/Imperiex powered based tendrils and shields with no problem. Nobody else in the universe was able to dent these outside of Entropy Aegis Steel.Quasar isn't on the same playing field.
And standard Supes has showing showing he can take someone of Phoenix's power out.
She has trouble with xmen for god's sake.
At full potential, yea, she can take out Clark though.
A ko is a ko. Supes will be rapidly evolving in the sun as well.
Thanos hasn't even been shown to be in regular Superman's strength level and durability. Sun amped Supes wasn't shown to have any weaknesses. He took Entropy blasts like it was nothing.
Thanos is still Darkseid lite. He loses this in a stomp.
the trouble is I belive you are thinking of Supes high showings and my hero's low ones, Supes was beaten be a insane guy with a k'nite gun, a japaneese man with gravity and density manipulating powers, he has been one punched by Batman (with help..duh), Shazam, Mongol, Doomsday, Bizarro.
some of my hero's high feats were . Thanos won the ifinity gauntlet, (read how)
Thanos is never Darkseid light he has done what Darkseide only deams of doing.
Originally posted by complexbrother
the trouble is I belive you are thinking of Supes high showings and my hero's low ones, Supes was beaten be a insane guy with a k'nite gun, a japaneese man with gravity and density manipulating powers, he has been one punched by Batman (with help..duh), Shazam, Mongol, Doomsday, Bizarro.some of my hero's high feats were . Thanos won the ifinity gauntlet, (read how)
Thanos is never Darkseid light he has done what Darkseide only deams of doing.
Thanos has lost to a chick in a squirrel outfit, was beaten by a tarzan ripoff, was killed recently by a guy who even the writer stated may not be able to beat wolverine, and the IG is an external power source that isn't in this unless specifically stated so.
Thanos has done nothing under his own power than competes with Darkseid.
And we aren't debating standard Superman...we're debating a ridiculously amped version of Superman.
Entropy blasts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any unproven manipulation that Thanos may have had in the past.
Originally posted by UniOmni
The Kazaar loss was retconned iirc, and Drax was said to be the Silver Bullet to Thanos's werewolf.
He was created for the sole purpose of killing Thanos.Is there any shame in Superman getting beaten by Kryptonite Man?
SquirrelGirl was canon, but Avy, you're reaching here.
So you agree that Thanos wins fights simply because he's Thanos?
It's one thing to debate Thanos vs standard Superman...but against the ridiculously amped version that is Sun amped Supes?
And by the way...Superman has done a lot better against his weaknesses for years than Thanos did against his.
The Thanos things was retconned into a clone... isn't a clone a copy of the original??