The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Now while I'm not for anybody being hit or hurt, or even demeaned for race, gender, orientation, etc.....

I don't want somebody arresting my pastor because as a minister he gives the Bible's view on homosexuality.

Thoughts?

Hypocrite.

Originally posted by Starhawk
If it will prevent hate crimes and curb racism and prejudice then yes it is worth it. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, when we live in a society that allows for it without harm.

Unfortunately...I dont think it will do such things.

Wow. Just wow Starhawk.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Wow. Just wow Starhawk.

Sorry I don't share your love of hate speech.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Sorry I don't share your love of hate speech.

I don't love hate speech. I just believe that freedom of speech should never be limited for any cause. No one has a right to tell you what you can and can't say.

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Are you serious?

Hate crimes are already illegal...and if you have no freedom what does matter anyways?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I don't love hate speech. I just believe that freedom of speech should never be limited for any cause. No one has a right to tell you what you can and can't say.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you serious?

Hate crimes are already illegal...and if you have no freedom what does matter anyways?

Does that classifications extend to homosexuals on a federal level?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I don't love hate speech. I just believe that freedom of speech should never be limited for any cause. No one has a right to tell you what you can and can't say.

If what you say can lead to violence and harm of other citizens then yes they have every right to. The only people who oppose this should be those that plan to utilize hate speech themselves.

Originally posted by Starhawk
If what you say can lead to violence and harm of other citizens then yes they have every right to. The only people who oppose this should be those that plan to utilize hate speech themselves.

Or those that don't want just anyone to decide what hate speech is.

Also, the only people in favour of it are idiots.

illegal spying, wiretapping, databases of u.s. tens(perhaps hundreds) of thousands of u.s. citizens deamed "threats" because they openly protest government policy, secret prisons, discreet torture and murder of prisoners, a foreign war based on lies, and conservatives cheer or at best remain oblivious.

but now this (ficticious article) and conservatives are running around sreaming "**** the system" and jammin out to dead kennedys albums.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or those that don't want just anyone to decide what hate speech is.

Also, the only people in favour of it are idiots.

No we just don't like seeing people encouraging others to hate minorities and other races and promote violence against them. That may be your cup of tea, buts it's just not for us.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Also, the only people in favour of it are idiots.

May I ask why?

Originally posted by Starhawk
No we just don't like seeing people encouraging others to hate minorities and other races and promote violence against them. That may be your cup of tea, buts it's just not for us.

So, what about "racist" jokes. Are those still okay? Or hate speech?

Originally posted by Devil King
May I ask why?

Also, because limiting Freedom of Speech is not cool.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, what about "racist" jokes. Are those still okay? Or hate speech?

Depends on the effect they have.

Originally posted by Bardock42
because limiting Freedom of Speech is not cool.

It doesn't do that though.

Originally posted by Devil King
It doesn't do that though.

Wait till the lawyers get involved...then it will...

Originally posted by Devil King
It doesn't do that though.

well, we have a law student here and he disagrees. win

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Wait till the lawyers get involved...then it will...

I don't see it that way. If you go out to an event that is being held by people you think are sinners and low lifes, then I doubt your intention is to stand by quietly while they have their say. Your intention is to disrupt. And what is the likely result of that? Violence. It doesn't limit free speech.

Punishing those who commit hate crimes is not the same as limiting hate speech.

Hate crimes=bad

Hate speech=bad, but part of the Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech.

Anyone who thinks that it's fine and dandy to control what we say (here's lookin' at you, Starhawk), is a totalitarian. If we try to limit what people are allowed to say, then it's a slippery slope until we do indeed reach 1984