The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...

Started by Starhawk46 pages

The point is, Canada has such laws and we don't have any problems with it.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
So if I say your mom's a whore I should go to jail?

How would that one work?

Originally posted by Starhawk
The point is, Canada has such laws and we don't have any problems with it.
Well America has Constitutional rights and we have problems for time to time, but hey, that's the price of liberty 😉

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well America has Constitutional rights and we have problems for time to time, but hey, that's the price of liberty 😉

Our liberty is just fine, we simply realize that some limitations are necessary for public safety. Unlike you, I don't think in extremes, you can have limitations on freedom without losing your liberty.

Originally posted by Devil King
No one is saying you can't voice your distate for homosexuality.

First of all, I never disclosed my opinions on homosexuality, and I do not plan to. I don't want to get involved.

Second, I'll quote the article: "It’s about outlawing peaceful speech—speech that asserts that homosexual behavior is morally wrong."

To me (though I haven't read the actual legislation itself), that certianly sounds like they're telling people that they can't voice their distaste for homosexuality, does it not? Again, I'm not sure what the legislation itself says, bu the article certainly makes it seem as if it's banning any negative speech towards homosexuality.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Our liberty is just fine, we simply realize that some limitations are necessary for public safety. Unlike you, I don't think in extremes, you can have limitations on freedom without losing your liberty.
And do you somehow think our freedoms are limitless? You think me extreme? Yes, here in America we murder hobos in the street while robbing the elderly blind and slandering blacks and gays all the live-long day, hm?

Anyone up for jeering at the mentally handicapped? This is America! 😱

Originally posted by Strangelove
And do you somehow think our freedoms are limitless? You think me extreme? Yes, here in America we murder hobos in the street while robbing the elderly blind and slandering blacks and gays all the live-long day, hm?

Anyone up for jeering at the mentally handicapped? This is America! 😱

Way ahead of you! 😗

Originally posted by Strangelove
And do you somehow think our freedoms are limitless? You think me extreme? Yes, here in America we murder hobos in the street while robbing the elderly blind and slandering blacks and gays all the live-long day, hm?

Anyone up for jeering at the mentally handicapped? This is America! 😱

No but, Canada has shown that we can ban hate speech without taking it too far, we are living proof that your theory is flawed.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No but, Canada has shown that we can ban hate speech without taking it too far, we are living proof that your theory is flawed.
And how is our theory flawed? They're different schools of thought. I, for one, don't see one crazy old coot standing on the street corner preaching about the demons called homosexuals a threat to public safety. But hey, I'm not law student.

Never understood why these topics shift to "We vs. You Americans"

hmm

Originally posted by Strangelove
And how is our theory flawed? They're different schools of thought. I, for one, don't see one crazy old coot standing on the street corner preaching about the demons called homosexuals a threat to public safety. But hey, I'm not law student.

Because crazy people may listen to him and act violently towards them. And believe me I know your not a law student, what do you do for a living?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Because crazy people may listen to him and act violently towards them. And believe me I know your not a law student, what do you do for a living?
you're* I know you're not an English student.

I'm a political science student 😉

Originally posted by Strangelove
you're* I know you're not an English student.

I'm a political science student 😉

Really? Your a poli-sci major? And you still don't understand why Canada puts limits on speech? Do you have qualified professors?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Really? Your a poli-sci major? And you still don't understand why Canada puts limits on speech? Do you have qualified professors?
I love how you keep ignoring the fact (as I've pointed it out to you many times) that America does have limits on speech. But banning controversial speech would fly straight in the face of the Constitution. It's banning speech because you don't like it. Simply unacceptable. Don't you dare question the integrity of my professors, my American Politics professor has a master's degree in Poli Sci and belongs to the American Political Scientist Association.

I understand why Canada limits speech, but that doesn't keep me from thinking it's wrong

Originally posted by Strangelove
I love how you keep ignoring the fact (as I've pointed it out to you many times) that America does have limits on speech. But banning controversial speech would fly straight in the face of the Constitution. It's banning speech because you don't like it. Simply unacceptable. Don't you dare question the integrity of my professors, my American Politics professor has a master's degree in Poli Sci and belongs to the American Political Scientist Association.

I understand why Canada limits speech, but that doesn't keep me from thinking it's wrong

You can think it's wrong all you want. That's your opinion, but it's not fact.

Originally posted by Starhawk
You can think it's wrong all you want. That's your opinion, but it's not fact.
Well it's your opinion that it's a good thing. Also not fact.

Agreed.

*should we sing Hands across America now?

Bottom line, a law banning hate speech would be unconstitutional in the United States. I'm sure it would be popular, but still. UnAmerican.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
How would that one work?

He said:

If what you say can lead to violence and harm of other citizens then yes they have every right to. The only people who oppose this should be those that plan to utilize hate speech themselves.

If I called his mom a whore it might lead to a fight that MAY lead to one of us being hurt.

And for that matter, we should ban religion because that can also lead to violence. Right Starhawk?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
He said:

If I called his mom a whore it might lead to a fight that MAY lead to one of us being hurt.

And for that matter, we should ban religion because that can also lead to violence. Right Starhawk?

LOL Don't tempt me. Religion is also one of the biggest problems of our time.

Hate Speech can lead to mass violence, beatings, and killings.