Better Bruce Wayne?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No You're -since you want to get so technical about everything,are an idiot.You engage in childish name calling if someone doesnt agree with you-thats what an idiot does. it has everything to do with it because you conviently left out the part on why Kilmer was the better Bruce wayne.Thats what people do when they cant counter a point is quote only PART of a post. 😆

Okay so maybe keaton wasnt the worst casting choice in comicbook history yeah Halle Berry and Clooney were probably worse but he was easily ONE of the worst.anybody with logic and common sense would know that to be true. 🙄

Wow, you keep on managing to surprise me with your idiocy.. Let's take it back. My first reply only has that in it because I was and have only been talking to you regarding what I put in the quotes. I wasn't saying anything to do with the rest of your post. You saying "Michael Keaton is the worst..." is what I commented on. THAT'S why you talking about Kilmer makes no sense. I didn't comment on that, you just keep bringing it up because you have nothing else to say. All along I've been talking about your retarded comments about Keaton. Do you under - stand now?? (That's about as slow as I can break it down for you, but it won't surprise me if you still don't get it. It's ok, I know some people are challenged).

So you've been arguing with me this whole time based on what I said that you said was retarded (I hope I didn't lose you), only for you to come out now and say "Okay so maybe Keaton wasn't the worst...". Thank You. Thank You. That was what my FIRST post was regarding. Stop trying to make excuses by bringing me into something I didn't even comment on.

And BTW - when you're trying to debate or you're having an argument you usually only start talking about things that have nothing to do with the subject matter when you've ran out of things to say or when you realize you are wrong. Just the mere fact that you care so much about me calling you an idiot, and you trying to change the subject to something I didn't even comment on just shows me how stupid you are. You're always telling people to read ALL your post. Wake up man, someone doesn't have to either agree with it all or disagree with it all. Look at what people write back to you on and then comment on that - not about what THEY didn't comment on.

You need to look in the mirror when talking about someone who is full of idiocy kid.Your such a moron your not even worth my time anymore.Hopefully your mom comes into your room and sees your childish posts and gives you what she does everyday most likely,a good spanken. 😆 deal with it kid,your Keaton sucked as Bruce wayne and was one of the worst casting choices in comicbook history.Thousands of Batman fans over the years expressed their anger over that pitiful choice which is why Batman Begins was made.Thank god they had a director that cared about what the fans wanted this time and cast someone who resembled the part.Bye child,have fun talking to yourself and growing up. 😛

pfft your a totaly moron Parker.

But the made Begins at a pitiful attempt of making the series better. ill admit it is better than both of Shumachers movies as they made me wanan kill myself an di think they gave me cancer, at least Batman and Robin did. but Tim Burton an dmmyself are the onl ypeople capable of directing a Batman movie

I'll have to agree with Parker on this one. Bale was the best Batman. Everyone is so quick to judge, let's hear opinions ring and not tie our panties in a knot.

😆

Originally posted by DarkDethbringer
pfft your a totaly moron Parker.

But the made Begins at a pitiful attempt of making the series better. ill admit it is better than both of Shumachers movies as they made me wanan kill myself an di think they gave me cancer, at least Batman and Robin did. but Tim Burton an dmmyself are the onl ypeople capable of directing a Batman movie

LOl.childish name calling by you two cause you kids know your losing the argument.Your the moron.Burton was the one that made the pathetic attempt in making a Batman movie.Burtons pitiful versions should have been called The Joker and the second one-Catwoman and Penguin.His pitiful movies focused the majority of the screentime on the villains and made Batman just a supporting character. 😘 👇

Burtons Batman movies were even more of a pitiful attempt at making a Batman movie than Schumachers were.Like someone else mentioned,even the creater Bob Kane said he liked Kilmer the best of the 3 that played him before Bale.Maybe he liked him the best because he was the best before Bale.At least Scumacher made a batman movie where you actually understood WHY he dressed like a bat and WHY he chose to fight crime.You got nothing out of that from Burtons pathetic version.True Batman fans wanted to kill Burton.Also at least Batman Forever focused on Batman for a change and didnt have a short, half bad, receding runt of a midget playing the part. 😆 😆 😂 🤣

Bale is the one and ONLY true Batman/Bruce Wayne. 💃

unfortunately when Schumacher made Batman and Robin,he got into the bag of that idiot drughead Tim Burton and started taking the same drugs that Burton was on when he made those pitiful Batman movies because yeah Batmaan and Robin was every bit as pitiful as Burtons Batman movies were. 😘

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And you obviously only read part of my post, Mr. Parker...

I clearly said that Kilmer played a better "young" Wayne than Keaton, but overall Keaton was ok, since he played an out-of-continuity "old" Wayne...

And before you try to bury me with another post, I'll defend myself by saying...

When you criticze Keaton's performance, you have to take into account that the movie Batman 1989 was not based on a regular Batman comic of the day, it was based on Frank Miller's DKR, in which he murders criminals, with bits and pieces of Year One. This means the Wayne in 89 will of course act differently than a regular, modern Wayne.

And just to be fair, he did sort of take parts of Reeve's Kent/Superman, but that movie was successful, so it made sense to take an idea from a successful film...

And to answer the original question, I would have liked to see Brandon Lee's take on the character.

Well you made a good point that Burton made that pathetic Version of Batman because he was basing it on DKR.A very bad decision on his part.Okay that explains Burtons moronic idiocy in making Batman into a cowardly killer and murder people but come on,Bruce wayne couldnt have acted like a wimpy dork in those comics like he did in the first film? Also,just because a movie was successful,thats not a good reason to copy that persons performance.They should be as loyal to the character as possible and keaton wasnt.People say Kirsten Dunst was a bad choice for the role of Mary jane in the spiderman movies.I dont think thats fair to say and it doesnt make any sense because she looked the part-at least in the first one-second one was a different story,and you cant blame her for acting MUCH more like gwen stacy instead of mary jane,thats the directors fault.She was just doing what he told her to do.I mean just because Gwen is much more likeable than Mary Jane,the actor shouldnt act like Gwen instead and the same applies to Keaton as Batman.Speaking of that,you should go back to the spiderman section so we can continue discussing the Man-Spider movies.LOl.

Hey great debating you again on this subject DUDE.Nice to see there is SOMEONE on this thread capable of acting like an adult when we disagree about something. 🙂 Do me a favor,spank those two kids for me huh? they are not helping you at all and they are making the keaton supporters look bad.I know you have to agree with me on that?

Off topic: Have you guys noticed that the Batman Board is pretty much dead? This is the only thread still alive (thanks to me 😎 )

Anyway, I've come up with a semi list of people I would like to see play Bruce Wayne or Batman who hasn't played the role before...

Young Bruce (in his 20s): Probably Brandon Lee (R.I.P.) He proved he could play a very dark emotional character with the awe inspiring "The Crow". Had he lived, he would have made an excellent choice imo.

"Dynamic Duo" Era Bruce (in his 30s): I don't really know, maybe a more serious Johnny Depp? (don't flame me please)

Old Bruce (40s and 50s): Maybe Chris North or Sean Connery? (again, please don't flame)

These are just ideas so don't take them as my personal beliefs (except the first one, that one I think would be kool)

EDIT: Well, I'm not into spanking, but I do agree that there are some people who can't act their ages on these boards and it makes my side look bad...

Keaton sucked not only because he doesnt look the part, he was a terrible fighter as batman and his bruce wayne was goofy and abstedminded( a la clark kent). kilmer, im not a fan of his batman and his movie, but at look he did look the part and he acted as a playboy when he was bruce wayne. Far better than keaton or clooney.

But bale was batman and was wayne. He nailed both parts, he looked both parts and he is a great, great actor. Its very clear.

Well, personally, in the intimidation scenes (for instance, the "I'm Batman" scene) I thought Keaton was pretty badass...

Keaton is bad ass. He is a great actor and he did a great job but the so calle d'true batman fans' cannot get to the fact that e didi a great job and broke down the role until he had something great. But the again so calle d'true batman fans' just need something to whine about. and to advance your list Batdude

Young Bruce (in his 20s):Yes Brandon Lee (R.I.P) would have been great but other than him, Cillian Murphy, maybe even Jake Gyllenhaal

"Dynamic Duo" Era Bruce (in his 30s): David Boreanaz,

Old Bruce (40s and 50s): Michael Keaton, Kiefer Sutherlund, mayeb Shaun Connery even though I think it would be funny to see him play Freeze, Henry Rollins but iunno if he could act.

But somehting we need more than a better actor, is a better costume, the Begins costume was ok, but they all look fake and hard rubbery we need swone that doesnt look stiff but looks cool

Also i request from the mods to change thsi threads name to "Better actors for Batman Characters"

Lets see, the costume in batman was far worse that the one in begins. The one in batman was fake, triying to add muscle to keaton's unmuscled body. In begins, the costume was far better adapted to bale's muscular body, and he looks great in the suit. Best costume for a batman movie? i dont say it, but it was better than the one in batman 89. Keaton was a short guy in a fake batman costume made to look him taller and muscular. Bale was batman with his costume.

Now, about keaton. Keaton is a great actor, i have said it many times. No problem with his talent at all. His work in movies like pacific heights or clean and sorber was impressing and oscar material. But now, we are talking about the batman movies. In those batman movies, not only keaton was different to the comic character, her performance was absurd when he was bruce wayne. He didnt play the play boy that wayne is, he played an abstedminded and goofy playboy, and even too misterious, and even an idiot could supect of him being batman. That is bruce wayne. I dont know if is burton's fault or keaton's fault, but that is a mistake. As batman, he tried for sure, but the thing didnt work because he looked fake in the costume and he was a terrible fighter, not not martial arts movments. Keaton is far from being a decent batman. He is a great actor, but not in those batman movies.

criticizing hsi fighting ability is retarded, you realsie it is coreographed right? as in The dont say "ok go fight those bad guys ok? then go and dive ff that building and use your grappling hook to cling to safety." plus yes the Batman begisn costume was the best SO FAR, but they could do much ebtter

Dude, you could see clearly when an actor has fighting skills. bale had it, keaton didnt.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, the costume in batman was far worse that the one in begins. The one in batman was fake, triying to add muscle to keaton's unmuscled body. In begins, the costume was far better adapted to bale's muscular body, and he looks great in the suit. Best costume for a batman movie? i dont say it, but it was better than the one in batman 89. Keaton was a short guy in a fake batman costume made to look him taller and muscular. Bale was batman with his costume.

Now, about keaton. Keaton is a great actor, i have said it many times. No problem with his talent at all. His work in movies like pacific heights or clean and sorber was impressing and oscar material. But now, we are talking about the batman movies. In those batman movies, not only keaton was different to the comic character, her performance was absurd when he was bruce wayne. He didnt play the play boy that wayne is, he played an abstedminded and goofy playboy, and even too misterious, and even an idiot could supect of him being batman. That is bruce wayne. I dont know if is burton's fault or keaton's fault, but that is a mistake. As batman, he tried for sure, but the thing didnt work because he looked fake in the costume and he was a terrible fighter, not not martial arts movments. Keaton is far from being a decent batman. He is a great actor, but not in those batman movies.

Well said Bakerboy.Keaton -who is a good actor and was good in those other movies you mentioned,was just horribly miscast as Batman.Burton did not care about making the best casting choice possible unlike Nolan.He only cast Keaton because he was friends with him and felt comfortable working with him since he had worked with him before.Directors do that all the time wheter it be in hollywood or just a play in community theatre.cast someone who doesnt even come close to fitting the part which makes the show or movie rediculous just because they felt comfortable working with that actor since they worked with them before.Thank god the batman franchise got restarted all over again and thank god for Nolan for erasing that horrible Burton/schumacher nightmare franchise. 💃

the only partt that was a nightmare was schumaker who tried tocopy Burtons over the top vision. but expanded it to where it was ridiculuss. I rewatched the begimnning of Batman Returns and i see why idiots would call it "gruesome." i gre up with some gruesome things and that was only mildly and i cant even think of a word to describe it. But it was great the reimagination of Penguin which you all owe to Burton is one the the greatets thoughts of Batman history. Woudl you rather him be a mildly pudgy short man who is the "Gentleman of Crime" or the crazy sewer dwelling angsty fusion of him and Black Mask he should be.
some slow people who cannt adapt to change or cannot grasp the Dark Knigt returns think he is "Too violent" But to tell you the ttruth Batman SHOULD be violent Bob Kane shouldnt have made a positive role model, he should have made a viscious revenge driven SOB who will kill you with barely any regret. THAT my friends would have sold. the only reason im a Batman fan is because of his amazing display of villains!

So I ask you, can you accept change and realise that it is a good desiscion no matter how you look at it? its a good movie live with it!

Expect for "Batman and Robin" which was a joke.I love all the batman movies.I am just infavor of micheal that is all!jm

i agree with everything you just said, only i have my own critisims that i think would make Begins better that everyone hate slol

Originally posted by DarkDethbringer
the only partt that was a nightmare was schumaker who tried tocopy Burtons over the top vision. but expanded it to where it was ridiculuss. I rewatched the begimnning of Batman Returns and i see why idiots would call it "gruesome." i gre up with some gruesome things and that was only mildly and i cant even think of a word to describe it. But it was great the reimagination of Penguin which you all owe to Burton is one the the greatets thoughts of Batman history. Woudl you rather him be a mildly pudgy short man who is the "Gentleman of Crime" or the crazy sewer dwelling angsty fusion of him and Black Mask he should be.
some slow people who cannt adapt to change or cannot grasp the Dark Knigt returns think he is "Too violent" But to tell you the ttruth Batman SHOULD be violent Bob Kane shouldnt have made a positive role model, he should have made a viscious revenge driven SOB who will kill you with barely any regret. THAT my friends would have sold. the only reason im a Batman fan is because of his amazing display of villains!

So I ask you, can you accept change and realise that it is a good desiscion no matter how you look at it? its a good movie live with it!

First of all, dont insult. You dont need to do that, that is plain childish and we are talking only about movies.

Second: burton reimagination was poor and unnessesary. Ok, penguin need some changes to transladate well to screen, but being a retarded freak with blood from his mouth isnt one of those changes at all. Michael Keaton being batman and the villains being the focus arent good changes at all.

If burton want to do a batman film, he doestn need to reaiminaginate those things, only do some changes. If not, go and do another movie like edward sissorhands or bettlejuice.

The only reason in batman are the villains? Batman is one of the heroes with the best gallery of villains, agree. But batman himself is a one of the most interesting heroes of all time. He shouldnt be a second fidler of the joker or the penguin and catwoman, and he is in those tim burton movies.

My problem arent the changes, my problems are what changes. And the changes made by burton were plain dumb and unnessesary. Good movies? maybe in your eyes, but those movies were only good visually and musically. The story and the scripts were terrible, the dialogue was corny, some of the acting was terrible except in some cases. They were bad films and poor adaptations.

the dialogue was good

and i sawy if i huwt your feewings