Flip flop much?
A few posts ago, you said Superman shitstomps these wannabes.
WW3 was a great showing, but when he faced a true physical peer, he got slowed down.
I'm talking about Billy if you weren't aware.
Most of the teams he fought, were midtier based.
JSA has Alan and..............who else?
Oh yeah, Guy Gardener was there too right?
And MM, who just couldn't cut the mustard when he was required to...
4 top tiers, with one physical equal who he couldn't drop.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Flip flop much?
Are you serious?
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Originally posted by Soljer
Superman.
Originally posted by Soljer
Black Adam.
Originally posted by Soljer
Majestic for the win!
Originally posted by Soljer
Teth takes this!
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman shit stomps these wannabes.
Originally posted by Soljer
Isn't in this fight. 😐.Majestic wins!
Originally posted by Soljer
Did you see Adam in WW3?Oh hell yes, he takes this.
Good call.
Originally posted by UniOmniWait, what energy output feats does Gladiator have, that puts him on Superman like levels?
Thing is, i don't consider Majestic to be > Gladiator overall.
Certainly a better character, but not a level above as you imply.Majestic is likely stronger, and much smarter.
Gladiator i'd wager is a bit more durable, faster, and they're about tied for energy output.
Both are willing to kill to see their objectives through, tho Gladiator is much sooner to go fatalistic.
And i put Black Adam around, or above Glads for durability, but i do think his firepower would even the score as i'd say in a Superman vs Shazam thread.
And i don't really deal in speedblitzes, since aside from Flashtype speedsters, they're not consistently used in comics.
Gladiator has a speed feat, as does Teth where he fights Jay at superspeeds in JSA.
Thats not the reason why i think Gladiator wins.
And lol at you calling me a biased Marvelfanboy for thinking a peer can take a win.
Fact - I don't like Sentry. I hate his existence with every fiber of being that's within me, since i feel he's something Marvel doesn't need. Just because i dislike him, and feels he adds nothing, doesn't mean that i don't see how Marvel intends him to be shown.
And the fact that he doesn't have a low showing yet doesn't hurt his case.Fact 2 - I don't think Sentry or Gladiator would beat Superman in a fight, since he's Superman and is the premiere.
Sentry could have a feat list that spans 80 years, and they could all trump Supermans, and he'd still lose.I see Teth and Kallark as virtual equals, with Gladiator having a useful firepower attack, and Teth while having his charged fist attack, is at a disadvantage, since Gladiator isn't notably vulnerable to magical attacks.
And i find it funny that the middle of your post turned into a rant that would make TricksterPriest proud, when you yourself said that to feel one character can beat another doesn't automatically mean that person feels an entire company is inferior.
Funny, that.
One feat with him matching his eyebeams with Tyrant? Which in all honestly, stinks of ass.
So, if you don't deal in speedblitzes... then why even mention it, at all?
What does the edge in speed do, if he won't use it?
I'm not calling you it, based on just this thread. I'm just noticing a constant pattern.
Wow... so, if all of Sentry's feats trump Superman's then why would Superman win? Because he was the first, or because you feel he's overated?
I don't. His useful attack, in my opinion, doesn't even trump MM's eyebeams. And we all saw what those did...
He doesn't have to be vunerable to magic, for it to hurt him. He didn't use this attack when he beat Manhunter, and with the added effect of magic in it, it's going to hurt him.
Cough*Amazo*cough.
I also fail to see Glads being as durible, or being able to KO him.
I have said that, but it isn't just one character. That wouldn't be right, for me to say it because you thought one Marvel character was higher than one DC character.
It may not be as bad as Trickster's recent massive company bias, but it's there, and it's noticable.
Kiss my ass Bran. 😛 It's not bias if it's true. And I'm alot more reasonable than Uniomni. I'm not the one who downgraded Superman and 2nd, you're saying that cause I've been arguing for Orion. Galan, LP and alot of others agreed with me. Orion is way underrated on this forum. He's over Superman in destructive power and one of Superman's few peers who he can't beat.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest...
And I'm alot more reasonable than Uniomni. I'm not the one who downgraded Superman.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I wasn't expecting to Apoc to beat Supes in an outright fight. But drawing even is possible. Hell, he should get at least 3-4 wins. This should show that Apoc is seriously underrated. How come no one addressed my idea of Apoc turning part of himself into kryptonite or adamantium? That's well within his abilities and it would give him the win over supes.
Originally posted by UniOmniHe barely fought Marvel.
Flip flop much?A few posts ago, you said Superman shitstomps these wannabes.
WW3 was a great showing, but when he faced a true physical peer, he got slowed down.
I'm talking about Billy if you weren't aware.
Most of the teams he fought, were midtier based.
JSA has Alan and..............who else?
Oh yeah, Guy Gardener was there too right?
And MM, who just couldn't cut the mustard when he was required to...
4 top tiers, with one physical equal who he couldn't drop.
Jakeem Thunder, Donna Troy, Power Girl, John Stewart, Obsidian, Firestorm...
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNo, it's not that, it's you basically saying that DC>Marvel.
Kiss my ass Bran. 😛 It's not bias if it's true. And I'm alot more reasonable than Uniomni. I'm not the one who downgraded Superman and 2nd, you're saying that cause I've been arguing for Orion. Galan, LP and alot of others agreed with me. Orion is way underrated on this forum. He's over Superman in destructive power and one of Superman's few peers who he can't beat.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Wait, what energy output feats does Gladiator have, that puts him on Superman like levels?One feat with him matching his eyebeams with Tyrant? Which in all honestly, stinks of ass.
So, if you don't deal in speedblitzes... then why even mention it, at all?
What does the edge in speed do, if he won't use it?I'm not calling you it, based on just this thread. I'm just noticing a constant pattern.
Wow... so, if all of Sentry's feats trump Superman's then why would Superman win? Because he was the first, or because you feel he's overated?
I don't. His useful attack, in my opinion, doesn't even trump MM's eyebeams. And we all saw what those did...
He doesn't have to be vunerable to magic, for it to hurt him. He didn't use this attack when he beat Manhunter, and with the added effect of magic in it, it's going to hurt him.
Cough*Amazo*cough.
I also fail to see Glads being as durible, or being able to KO him.I have said that, but it isn't just one character. That wouldn't be right, for me to say it because you thought one Marvel character was higher than one DC character.
It may not be as bad as Trickster's recent massive company bias, but it's there, and it's noticable.
I never said he had energy output that put him on Superman levels.
I do feel that he's shown it's powerful enough to be an aid to this fight.
In all honesty, i would've given Teth the clearcut majority if i never saw J'onn leave his face melting after a blast of MV, which is clearly lower than hv in potency.
And i only mention the speed of both, since there's a tendency on KMC to automatically call out speedblitz, or dropping teams in seconds due to superior speed.
And why would i think that Sentry could have feats that trump Superman and he'd still lose if they fought??
Because Superman does this thing where he fights above and beyond what you'd expect. All top tiers have this ability, and moments to shine.
Plus, Superman is the original. To have a knockoff, or homage beat him would be in bad taste.
And you can't fight the nostalgia factor.
And now to face down this company bias thing i've gotten tarred with lately.
These are the threads where it normally comes up in.
Surfer vs Superman - Before a month ago, i maintained that both Surfer and Superman were in the elite top tier for durability. Surfer also has a versatility edge, and has high power levels to back it. I really don't think it makes me biased to say that the guy who's a 30 feet wide, and a mile deep would take the majority over the guy who's 5 feet wide and a mile deep. That was before Superman took an explosion > 50 supernovas, and Surfer was restrained by a street leveler.
Thor vs Orion - Orion is consistently better skilled than Thor, and has more readily available firepower at hand. Stats are hard to judge, i'd rather call them equals.
But, the Hammer is what makes Orions edge, into a weakness, since it can reflect and sometimes increase the potency of the energy it absorbs. Orions firepower being returned against him is a liability.
Green Lantern vs Surfer - Similar types of powersets. I'd give Surfer the majority simply because of his natural skill with manipulatig energy, and his natural durability, but i can see it going either way.
BRB vs Majestic - Majestic is likely stronger. But i wouldn't say more durable, or at least has the pain soak needed to win. Majestic also i can't recall ever pulling off a speedblitz, so that doesn't work in his favor.
Darkseid vs Surfer - Darkseid gains the clearcut majority. I said at best, Surfer could pull one or two out of ten. I said this, and will maintain it until countdown, because of the recent consistent portrayals of Darkseid.
Darkseid vs Odin - Odin played on a larger scale on a day to day basis, than Darkseid did when he was still alive.
Odin was kidnapped by aliens, and rocked by an earthquake, but whenever he fought heroes, he dominated.
Superman maybe an elite top tier, but he's still a top tier.
These are the threads that i debated in the most, and i suspect are the ones that got me tarred with the bias brush.
I am not Marvel biased.
I merely go with what makes sense to me.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
He barely fought Marvel.Jakeem Thunder, Donna Troy, Power Girl, John Stewart, Obsidian, Firestorm...
No, it's not that, it's you basically saying that DC>Marvel.
Don't care about the Trickster bit.
Jakeem Thunder was there, but i forget how he was dealt with, if they showed it at all.
Off panel = Not worth debating in my mind.
Donna Troy?? Lol.
PowerGirl?? LMBAO!
Obsidian isn't someone i'm too familiar with, even after his attack on the JSA. Didn't read II.
John Stewart i'll give you.
Did he even fight Firestorm??
IIRC, Firestorm was in America transmuting the ship, and the JSA and American Heroes fought him in china.
Reflecting the AF back at Orion does what now? Jack shit is the answer. 🙄
Majestic has pulled blitzes.
Darkseid takes all 10, to argue otherwise is utter insanity and demonstrates a lack of perception about the sheer power that is the OE and Darkseid.
Darkseid vs. Odin: Tough fight. I give the edge to DS, but that's personal opinion. It might go either way. I personally think Darkseid is over Odin, but I'll take skyfather level to shut people up. 😛
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Reflecting the AF back at Orion does what now? Jack shit is the answer. 🙄Majestic has pulled blitzes.
Darkseid takes all 10, to argue otherwise is utter insanity and demonstrates a lack of perception about the sheer power that is the OE and Darkseid.
Darkseid vs. Odin: Tough fight. I give the edge to DS, but that's personal opinion. It might go either way. I personally think Darkseid is over Odin, but I'll take skyfather level to shut people up. 😛
And a post like this is what makes people think i'm biased.
I say this........
Superman has beaten Darkseid 3 times consecutively, and reflected/matched the OE twice.
I don't think it's outlandish to say that another elite top tier might be able to take 1-2 matches out of ten, which still maintains that Darkseid is the level above.
It just makes room for the occasional above the top tier showing that most all elites get.
And Lol again at Darkseid beating Odin. That really does make me laugh.
What gives him the edge?
The time he cried tears of energy?
Or the time he begged for mercy?
Or better yet, the time he got slugged in the jaw and thrown through the boomtube?
Originally posted by UniOmniWell, you tied Gladiator for energy with Majestic...
I never said he had energy output that put him on Superman levels.I do feel that he's shown it's powerful enough to be an aid to this fight.
In all honesty, i would've given Teth the clearcut majority if i never saw J'onn leave his face melting after a blast of MV, which is clearly lower than hv in potency.
And i only mention the speed of both, since there's a tendency on KMC to automatically call out speedblitz, or dropping teams in seconds due to superior speed.
And why would i think that Sentry could have feats that trump Superman and he'd still lose if they fought??
Because Superman does this thing where he fights above and beyond what you'd expect. All top tiers have this ability, and moments to shine.
Plus, Superman is the original. To have a knockoff, or homage beat him would be in bad taste.
And you can't fight the nostalgia factor.
The difference is, that MM's eyebeams have caused way more damage than Glad's ever have. Are you really going to base it off of a name?
Even then, BA took it like a champ, and then beat MM.
And... I'm not KMC, a generalization doesn't apply to everyone.
Well... that's stupid. If Sentry had better feats than Superman, then by all means, he would beat Supes, but he doesn't. And Supes feats are way higher than Sentry's.
It doesn't matter if he's a knockoff or not, if he has him beat, he has him beat.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And now to face down this company bias thing i've gotten tarred with lately.These are the threads where it normally comes up in.
Surfer vs Superman - Before a month ago, i maintained that both Surfer and Superman were in the elite top tier for durability. Surfer also has a versatility edge, and has high power levels to back it. I really don't think it makes me biased to say that the guy who's a 30 feet wide, and a mile deep would take the majority over the guy who's 5 feet wide and a mile deep. That was before Superman took an explosion > 50 supernovas, and Surfer was restrained by a street leveler.
Thor vs Orion - Orion is consistently better skilled than Thor, and has more readily available firepower at hand. Stats are hard to judge, i'd rather call them equals.
But, the Hammer is what makes Orions edge, into a weakness, since it can reflect and sometimes increase the potency of the energy it absorbs. Orions firepower being returned against him is a liability.Green Lantern vs Surfer - Similar types of powersets. I'd give Surfer the majority simply because of his natural skill with manipulatig energy, and his natural durability, but i can see it going either way.
BRB vs Majestic - Majestic is likely stronger. But i wouldn't say more durable, or at least has the pain soak needed to win. Majestic also i can't recall ever pulling off a speedblitz, so that doesn't work in his favor.
Darkseid vs Surfer - Darkseid gains the clearcut majority. I said at best, Surfer could pull one or two out of ten. I said this, and will maintain it until countdown, because of the recent consistent portrayals of Darkseid.
Darkseid vs Odin - Odin played on a larger scale on a day to day basis, than Darkseid did when he was still alive.
Odin was kidnapped by aliens, and rocked by an earthquake, but whenever he fought heroes, he dominated.
Superman maybe an elite top tier, but he's still a top tier.These are the threads that i debated in the most, and i suspect are the ones that got me tarred with the bias brush.
I am not Marvel biased.
I merely go with what makes sense to me.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Yeah, i can easily see Hulk giving a cosmo clap and ko Superman.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And a post like this is what makes people think i'm biased.I say this........
Superman has beaten Darkseid 3 times consecutively, and reflected/matched the OE twice.
I don't think it's outlandish to say that another elite top tier might be able to take 1-2 matches out of ten, which still maintains that Darkseid is the level above.
It just makes room for the occasional above the top tier showing that most all elites get.
And Lol again at Darkseid beating Odin. That really does make me laugh.
What gives him the edge?
The time he cried tears of energy?
Or the time he begged for mercy?
Or better yet, the time he got slugged in the jaw and thrown through the boomtube?
All of the times Superman has beaten Darkseid are PIS. and no top tier can take even one from Darkseid. Blocking or redirecting the OE is also PIS.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Well, you tied Gladiator for energy with Majestic...The difference is, that MM's eyebeams have caused way more damage than Glad's ever have. Are you really going to base it off of a name?
Even then, BA took it like a champ, and then beat MM.And... I'm not KMC, a generalization doesn't apply to everyone.
Well... that's stupid. If Sentry had better feats than Superman, then by all means, he would beat Supes, but he doesn't. And Supes feats are way higher than Sentry's.
It doesn't matter if he's a knockoff or not, if he has him beat, he has him beat.Also, Surfer, Thor, Surfer, BRB, Darkseid, Odin.
5/6... not the best examples brought up.
Lol.
Martian Vision has done what of note?
Having read his solo, and most if not all of his JLA appearances, his highest Martian Vision feat was when he vaped Fernus after he lost his flame.
Or that Christmas special when he wrote Santa and some shit in the snow.
Martian Vision doesn't compare to Hv.
And Teth didn't take it like a champ.
His face was melting.
He took the pain in stride, true, but to say he took it like a champ would be to imply it didn't make much headway.
I have never said that Sentry would beat Superman.
What i have said, is that Sentry is supposed to be Superman at the next level.
Superman = Foremost among equals/peers.
Sentry = A hero without equals.
Sentry beats Superman in implied power, sure.
And i brought up those examples, because those are the threads that get input from me.
And i maintain that the reasons i give for who i think might take the majority are sound.
And you quoted me in a thread, where Superman alone got access to his highend material, and the team didn't.
Hence him beating them all in under a second.
I made that post because i wanted to get the point across that other characters have their own high end feats to be considered.
Originally posted by UniOmniYou asked who was there...
Don't care about the Trickster bit.Jakeem Thunder was there, but i forget how he was dealt with, if they showed it at all.
Off panel = Not worth debating in my mind.
Donna Troy?? Lol.
PowerGirl?? LMBAO!
Obsidian isn't someone i'm too familiar with, even after his attack on the JSA. Didn't read II.
John Stewart i'll give you.
Did he even fight Firestorm??
IIRC, Firestorm was in America transmuting the ship, and the JSA and American Heroes fought him in china.
He was there, but it didn't really show him fight... although, when he was shown, he was scraped up...
Just saying.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
All of the times Superman has beaten Darkseid are PIS. and no top tier can take even one from Darkseid. Blocking or redirecting the OE is also PIS.
PIS = showings i don't like basically?
PIS after a certain amount of showings becomes viable debate material.
Panther hurt Surfer with an armlock.......pis. True.
Panther koed Surfer with a surprise flurry..pis.? Should be.
Panther beat the shit out of surfer and made him cry..Pis please? Not anymore.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You asked who was there...He was there, but it didn't really show him fight... although, when he was shown, he was scraped up...
Just saying.
I don't consider Donna Troy or Power Girl to be top tier.
Cool, Firestorm was there and was defeated along with the rest of the fodder heroes.
Originally posted by UniOmniI'll just post this link here, since I'm too lazy to retrieve some scans, or individually take his.
Lol.Martian Vision has done what of note?
Having read his solo, and most if not all of his JLA appearances, his highest Martian Vision feat was when he vaped Fernus after he lost his flame.
Or that Christmas special when he wrote Santa and some shit in the snow.
Martian Vision doesn't compare to Hv.
And Teth didn't take it like a champ.
His face was melting.
He took the pain in stride, true, but to say he took it like a champ would be to imply it didn't make much headway.I have never said that Sentry would beat Superman.
What i have said, is that Sentry is supposed to be Superman at the next level.
Superman = Foremost among equals/peers.
Sentry = A hero without equals.Sentry beats Superman in implied power, sure.
And i brought up those examples, because those are the threads that get input from me.
And i maintain that the reasons i give for who i think might take the majority are sound.And you quoted me in a thread, where Superman alone got access to his highend material, and the team didn't.
Hence him beating them all in under a second.I made that post because i wanted to get the point across that other characters have their own high end feats to be considered.
The better question is:
What exactly has Glads done?
Yes, his face was melted, without showing pain, and then beating MM, and fighting a bunch of other heroes. He also got cheapshotted by MM, and he still came out on top.
And... that has to do with Sentry losing to Superman, even if Sentry had as long of history of feats, and each one surpassing him... because?
Was that the thread, where I was trying to pis Carver off by saying Superman blitzes him?
Originally posted by UniOmni
PIS = showings i don't like basically?PIS after a certain amount of showings becomes viable debate material.
Panther hurt Surfer with an armlock.......pis. True.
Panther koed Surfer with a surprise flurry..pis.? Should be.
Panther beat the shit out of surfer and made him cry..Pis please? Not anymore.
🤨 PIS is PIS. A character may be depowered, but to my knowledge, Darkseid has never been depowered. Not to mention, bringing up the armbar? 😱 Wow, you really don't get PIS, do you?
You actually believe Superman can beat Darkseid? 😱 hysterical
