Originally posted by Joey StacksSuper sneeze, pulling a solar system, boom tube velocity, black hole defying Superman ftw. durfist
There is no quantifiable way to define how much more powerful Superman has gotten. With Goku you could use PL's to prove he's hundreds of million times stronger, with Superman it's just opinion
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
There is no quantifiable way to define how much more powerful Superman has gotten. With Goku you could use PL's to prove he's hundreds of million times stronger, with Superman it's just opinion
Power levels are meaningless, as they are not a logical scale. If they were, that farmer who Raditz killed that had a power level of 5 would have had more power than all of the world's combined nuclear
arsenals.
Oh, and BTW:
Originally posted by UniOmni
Goku gets my nod.His combat speed>>Clarks combat speed.
He's not as strong as Clark, but he's fast enough to land 4 hits, for every one of Clarks. Those rack up.
And your evidence for this is? (Other than the DBZ manga being drawn with more blurs, afterimages, and speed lines than Superman comics)
Even if you were right, Superman has the strength to move the Mageddon machinery and the earth and such, so everyone one of his punches >>>>>>>>> every one of Goku's punches.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Roshi destroyed the moon at power level 139.Divide that by 5, you get something around 28. All the nuclear weapons ever built are nowhere near powerful enough to destroy 1/28th of the moon.
Roshi's level that blew up the moon was much higher then 139, lest we forget him pumping up.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Roshi's level that blew up the moon was much higher then 139, lest we forget him pumping up.
IIRC it was stated that he was at 139 throughout the entirety of Dragonball (before Z started).
Besides, even if it was a billion times that, that would still put that farmer out of his own range.
There are tons of other discrepancies too. Power levels simply make no sense, they are not consistent. Frieza with a power level of 500,000 destroyed the planet Vegeta, but with a power level of over 10 million in his transformation state was having trouble destroying the planet Namek (which was smaller and less dense).
So you're telling me that he was as powerful buff as he was normal? Then what's the point of buffing up, that's stupid. And now that I think about it, it'd make sense for the farmer to be that powerful, he just cannot channel it (hell it took Roshi 50 years to learn how to channel his ki).
And Frieza never had trouble destroying Namek, he laughed it off in fact. Highly out of character thing for him to do unless it was intentional.
When guys like Karate Kid is discussed, skill is everything...But when other martial artists, like Goku is discussed, pure skill is threatened as a non-factor.
Because Goku has never beaten anyone based on his skill? he wins by being more powerful.
That means he is class 400 as normal!
Which would still be well below Superman.
Also, what speedfeats do Superman have that can be compared to
No, the real question is what Speedfeats doe Goku have compared to Superman?
Hmm...
Well, before this gets closed, and though I know it's not the popular choice, I'd have to take Goku over Supes. Much, much better fighter hand to hand than Superman, arguably just as fast as Supes, and fights at a speed that's pretty much unfathomable. Superman is stronger physically (I have no doubt of that), but Goku's fight speed, skill, and tactical use of Instant Transmission would negate a lot of that, and Goku himself is not exactly weak. Not to mention that Goku has those magic beans that heal all injuries if necessary. It could be argued that Supes could sun-dip, but then Goku could just get exposed to a full moon* to counter. It would just go on and on and on.
And that's taking the GT Episodes into consideration (which seems to be a cardinal sin for some reason, but I personally would consider it canon regardless of who wrote it. It's still Dragonball regardless of what the original creator intended. You can't simply dismiss something you don't agree with).
Goku SSJ3 Kaokin x100. 👆