Since when is Sidious uber?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
But Glentract has already expressed the fact he does not want to debate you. why press the issue?

Because I want to know if he is actually capable of debating the point and simply doesn't want to, or if he lacks the capability to argue the point successfully. His unwillingness to answer leads me to deduce that he is incapable of doing so, and would prefer that it not lead to a debate to facilitate his lack of evidence.

Exanda:

Gideon kid, lets take this back to the beginning shall we? You call me ignorant. Yet, you know nothing about me. Now, let's take another step back shall we? Who is the ignorant one here? The ones who is ignorant enough to assume that the other is ignorant, or the one who sees the ironic value in whats being said?

I'd say that the ignorant one would be the person who admittedly has no complete knowledge about a topic, makes a judgment anyways, and then denies being ignorant. That would be you. You're ignorant, uninformed, about this particular issue.

haha! woo 60 posts! 61 now! Still, my questions are left unanswered. When did all of this happen? How did all of this happen? can anyone give me proof that all of this is true? Thank you.

btw: don't say this thread sucks.

Well, if you check all posts in the past year, third farthest page, there's a NJO Luke vs. Ragnos thread in which the consensus was that Luke was the better, I'd say it's right about then that things truly changed.

How did this happen? for some it was simply overwhelming evidence, a lot of SW stuff is released each month, so of course certain quotes or passages will come out that prove a certain opinion or point of view. For others it was simply them wising up and realizing that cannon supported ideas like Sidious being the strongest of the sith.

If you want proof of what's said these days, then just read through the topics themselves, they should have all the evidence you want inside them.

Actually, your questions have been answered completely, Avis. But, I'll be happy to conclude it all in a brief, succinct manner. The answer to it is that this 'new era' began to do what the old one didn't do, and that is, we actually pay attention to what is fact and what is fiction, and we do not deny, belittle, or hide fact when it doesn't suit our benefit or support our favorite characters. We interpret quotes and evidence better and we debate in a much superior fashion, even if we are lacking in the witty retorts (on average) and the ill-will towards everyone else.

When did this happen? About a year ago. Who caused it? A few people. Lightsnake, Advent, so on and so forth.

TECHNICALLY speaking I started it. In the old battlebar I said a remark concerning Sorgo about how nobody cares about something he said, and then he jumped on me and a bunch of other people jumped in to defend me, then it just got worse from there, with Sorgo getting banned.

Or... actually what REALLY got the ball going was when Ush came into the battlebar and warned Janus to stop posting pics with the words f*ck uncensored on them, which Janus and Sorgo responded to with nasty rebuttals, and Sorgo got a perma-ban, while a few other Antediluvian got temp. bans for laughing. After that Janus stopped visiting frequently and stayed at EoD, along with most of the other Antediluvian, except for Sorgo, who now posts here as a sock since EoD is dead.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What's Bane done? For starters, he moved a moon. Second, with one exception (and this was when he was still far from how powerful he would eventually become) he could rape anyone alive no wuestions asked.

In response to the topic title:

He's always been uber, you just didn't know it until now.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'd say that the ignorant one would be the person who admittedly has no complete knowledge about a topic, makes a judgment anyways, and then denies being ignorant. That would be you. You're ignorant, uninformed, about this particular issue. [/B]

Ignorant of you? Of course I am. I am simply admitting that fact that I really have no wish to find out anything about you. That is not an ignorance shown through error, but simple little me, confessing a fact. You however, insist on calling me ignorant, even when you yourself, no nothing about me. One might say that you are ignorant and uninformed about this particular issue, one could also speculate that you are ignorant and uninformed concerning film form, and one could also say you are ignorant and uninformed on the matters of storytelling, considering how you ask your teachers (School kid? God.) about the subject.

Now understand, I am not telling you that you are these things. I will not make an ignorant statement that I cannot provide evidence for, however, I can make assumptions from your posts. I really do not want to argue semantics, as quite frankly, it's a waste of time, but if you do drag this out unneccesary, I will contiinue.

I've been through both "era's" and honestly the current one is far more factual in its debates. Christ, I remember IKC and his "no one could ever EVER! beat Kun" arguments (if you could call it an argument) other then Ragnos because of well....really no reason whatsoever. The "Janus" era consisted of nothing more then bashing and bias opinion, newcomers were shunned and made fun of for believing anything even slightly out of the norm.

Credit goes to Lightsnake for coming in and dethroning the "Janus era" arguments with actual facts and proof rather then basically unsupported hearsay. IMO this era should be the "Lightsnake" era as he was the first one to truly challenge Janus and the others and he, unlike most, kept arguing even with them constantly bashing him for everything he said. All credit to LS.

eh Lightsnake's still a sissy. I can safely say that I'm the only real man's man here.

It wasn't the fact it wasn't "factual" it was the fact we didn't have the majority of the books and comics, and we also said no sourcebooks and NJO was universally considered shit, while now it's basically a bible.

I think it is safe to say we have entered the plo Kown era of enlightenment. Praise the lard, oh God OH my KOON! I came..

Yeah the Plo Koon thing's getting old.

And I dunno, Lightsnake was the usurper of Janus, but Advent's become the de facto master of debates recently.

Ignorant of you? Of course I am. I am simply admitting that fact that I really have no wish to find out anything about you. That is not an ignorance shown through error, but simple little me, confessing a fact. You however, insist on calling me ignorant, even when you yourself, no nothing about me. One might say that you are ignorant and uninformed about this particular issue, one could also speculate that you are ignorant and uninformed concerning film form, and one could also say you are ignorant and uninformed on the matters of storytelling, considering how you ask your teachers (School kid? God.) about the subject.

I call you ignorant because you made an assessment of me based on a singular encounter with me; you don't know who I am or how I act, and thus, you are 'ignorant'. Whether you want to know anything else about me is irrelevant, you still made the assumption, and you did so out of ignorance. You even admitted that you have no knowledge of me, and continue to assume, once again: out of ignorance.

Furthermore, your speculation is as flawed as your assumptions, since, of course, you've yet to prove anything in our other discussion. In fact, instead of addressing my responses, you give argumentative ground and make up new ones instead. You cite no sources, but rather reiterate your opinion, which - sadly - does not measure up to anything but the expressed point of view of a nonexpert. The fact that you admittedly do not wish to provide proof implies a certain lack of evidence entirely. If you can't back it up, don't make the claim in the first place. It'll save you embarrassment.

Now understand, I am not telling you that you are these things. I will not make an ignorant statement that I cannot provide evidence for, however, I can make assumptions from your posts. I really do not want to argue semantics, as quite frankly, it's a waste of time, but if you do drag this out unneccesary, I will contiinue.

As we've discussed, your assumptions have one singular pattern: they're always wrong. You did make an ignorant statement, and you are ignorant about me. The fact that you made an assumption (which was incorrect) and then admitted that you really don't have any real knowledge of me to support that opinion means one thing: you weren't in any logical position to make the assumption about a topic (me) that you are uninformed about, thus making you 'ignorant'.

But, y'know what? We won't continue. Not with this, at least, because it isn't going anywhere.

No, you are saying that so you can get the last shot in.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, you are saying that so you can get the last shot in.

Do you make a habit out of trying to play a psychic? You suck at it. He can respond if he wants, but he'll just be talking to himself.

I think this can be concluded as 'a new group of regulars argued it until everyone else agreed.'

Earlier it seemed that it was being debated whether or not Sidious was as powerful as he is deemed, but now it seems to have deteriorated to 'Why have things changed?'

That's been answered.

Closing.