Nevermind, but that one does list many of them. It is actually first numbered in All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 A-Z #1, according to the wiki on Marvel's alternate universes, it numbers them, and cites where it got the number from, for each alternate universe. Such as "616" first being numbered in Fantastic Four 1, or Earth 8009 being listed in the handbook of alternate universes 2005. But that's where people are getting them from.
Originally posted by Juntai
Nevermind, but that one does list many of them. , according to the wiki on Marvel's alternate universes, it numbers them, and cites where it got the number from, for each alternate universe. Such as "616" first being numbered in Fantastic Four 1, or Earth 8009 being listed in the handbook of alternate universes 2005. But that's where people are getting them from.
Like I said,
that info was coming from Wiki, not Comics.
What does this mean:
"It is actually first numbered in All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 A-Z #1"
What's numbered?
Originally posted by Juntai
Eh, wasn't trying to confuse anything so much as clear up where people keep popping up with that number from.
You said the Handbooks,
Originally posted by Juntai
Would the marvel alternate universe handbook be considered bio material? Because that's where people are getting the universe 4321 from.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe universe it happened in is first numerically identified in that handbook, according to it. It cites the book it gets the numbers from. Whether it be handbook or comic itself.
Like I said,that info was coming from Wiki, not Comics.
What does this mean:
"It is actually first numbered in All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 A-Z #1"
What's numbered?
Originally posted by Juntai
The universe it happened in is first numerically identified in that handbook, according to it. It cites the book it gets the numbers from. Whether it be handbook or comic itself.
It not true though,
I have the Handbook opened right in front of me,
I re-checked it, #1
No mention whatsoever of the Wiki claim.
Doing a search of Marvel 4321 on MSN.com just not, gave me the Marvunapp.com website as well.
This is how it appears on my search engine.
Alternate Earths
Sinister Learned the Greatest Secrets of the Marvel Universe) Earth-982 (MC2) (links only) - @ 15 ... Earth-4321 (Akhenaton, Marvel: The End) Earth-5113 (Dormammu's Earth, Defenders story) - by Chadman
www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm · Cached page
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/akhenaton.htm
The bio specifically states universe 4321.
About 3 posts down, in this thread you identify the same website identifying the The End and it's events as an alternate universe, as an official source, and has been a site you like to refer to on more than one occasion. You even show how the Handbooks reference it in the link.
Originally posted by Juntai
*shrug* I was letting you know where it came from. I don't buy bios and handbooks personally.
It doesn't come from Handbooks.
That was my contention.
I enjoy Handbooks now to strengthen On Panel evidence.
But On Panel>>>Handbooks
If it happened in a Handbook but not On Panel, it never happened IMO.
If it happened On Panel but not in a Handbook, it happened IMO.
If it happened in both, you can lose the argument.
Originally posted by Juntai
Doing a search of Marvel 4321 on MSN.com just not, gave me the Marvunapp.com website as well.This is how it appears on my search engine.
Alternate Earths
Sinister Learned the Greatest Secrets of the Marvel Universe) Earth-982 (MC2) (links only) - @ 15 ... Earth-4321 (Akhenaton, Marvel: The End) Earth-5113 (Dormammu's Earth, Defenders story) - by Chadmanwww.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm · Cached page
I went to the link provided on marvunapp,
After reading AK's History,
I see they must be referencing AK's origin in specific,
like HE came from Reality 4321, not the Arc itself.
Cause in issue #1 there are cut scenes of AK's beginnings taking place and how he ended up working for the Celestial Order, that story takes place in another time, I believe this is what they're talking about.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe Marvunapp.com site mentions the same Handbook detailing the events as Universe 4321, as I pointed out above. As well as the site itself being what you consider official source, as seen in the link, and show scans of how the Handbook treats the site.
It doesn't come from Handbooks.That was my contention.
I enjoy Handbooks now to strengthen On Panel evidence.
But On Panel>>>Handbooks
If it happened in a Handbook but not On Panel, it never happened IMO.
If it happened On Panel but not in a Handbook, it happened IMO.
If it happened in both, you can lose the argument.
The on panel doesn't seem to contradict nor support the handbook/marvunapp site. Thanos in another reality having similar experience doesn't seem valid enough, as iirc, there was a mention in one of the books around the time of the Infinity Gauntlet, of Thanos having done it in another universe as well as they formulated ideas on how to stop him.
Then Thanos referencing ultimate power in his solo series doesn't support nor deny it either, as 616 Universe had Thanos thinking he had the ultimate power a number of times as well. Considering himself God with the Gauntlet, and believing it was Gods power, as seen in the last few pages of Thanos Quest.
Originally posted by Juntai
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/akhenaton.htmThe bio specifically states universe 4321.
For AK yes,
but not for the entire story.
Read the whole thing.
This is further proven in the actual HOTI and Celestial Order Bios they provide,
now the entire story revolves around the THOTI,
why wasn't it designated to Reality 4321?
In fact,
4321 is not even mentioned.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart