George Lucas says: "Spider-Man 3 is plain silly"

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I may have some problems with the PT, but I don't see how anybody can say that the OT has more story than the PT. (or that the Spiderman series does either.) The prequels are an incredible tapestry of subplots, motivations and machinations. We have the questionable motives of the Trade Federation blockade, a wily senator, a questionable boy with a miraculous origin, the return of the Sith, a prophecy revolving around the Jedi, the Jedi inability to use the Force anymore, an ex-Jedi leading a seperatist movement, a plot to kill a senator leading an anti-war bill, a secret army ordered under mysterious circumstances by a long-gone Jedi, a romantic subplot between a Jedi hero and a politician, a full-scale war, a blossoming relationship between a Sith politician and the Jedi hero, tensions between the Senate and the Jedi, our Jedi hero becoming an unwitting spy for the Sith, visions of the future, a secret pregnancy, the framing of the Jedi, the elimination of the Jedi, our hero turns to evil, and the Republic becomes the Empire.

More story plots doesn't equal better quality.The biggest thing lacking in the PT were the characters.In the end I really didn't care what happened.I didn't get angry when any of the jedi were slain.I didn't get excited when Anakin made the transition to Vader.The original trilogy had interesting characters that inriched the story.The PT has famaliar characters,but it's really just the name.Some characters seemed too sterotyped for me to even take seriously.I think Lucas belived he could could build excitment on the sole name of some of these characters without making them unique.The ot characters were personalities you were seen being played out for the first time in that kind of film.Han Solo was a lot like a vagabond cowboy who just so happend to be in outer space.Laya seemed to be the typical princess.However,she wasn't helpless.She was resourceful.I could continue on and on but I won't.The point is the PT failed to make these characters unique or interesting.Sure we know what's coming,but that doesn't mean you have to play the characters out like they know it as well.

It may have problems, but there's no way it's shorter on story than the OT.

And the PT certainly has more story than the Spiderman trilogy... heck ROTS on its own has more story than all of the "silly" Spiderman films.

Only agreed by a few.

Most critics disagree. Look at Rottentomatoes.com, which takes all reviews of a film and gives it an average score:

Spiderman 3- 61% http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/

ROTS- 81% http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/

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How do we know that site isn't run by some star wars fan boys and soe spider-man hating...people

I never have liked Rotten tomatoes.some of the list they do I think are total BS.However,that only leads me more to belive people will like anything.

Originally posted by steverules
How do we know that site isn't run by some star wars fan boys and soe spider-man hating...people

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I never have liked Rotten tomatoes.some of the list they do I think are total BS.However,that only leads me more to belive people will like anything.

Because they list each and every review, and reviewer with a link to the whole review.

And its Roger Ebert, USA Today, New York Times, Time Magazine, Entertainment Weekly, etc....

Seriously, did you click on the links at all, or are you just trying to make some silly argument that Spiderman 3 was better than ROTS with no back-up other than your own feelings about the PT?

I liked ROTS, I just found it stupid how they try and make Anakin look powerful by killing younglings...can't believe I'm using the word younglings. I liked Spider-man 3 over ROTS, I don't like how George is calling this movie stupid when he gave us Jar Jar Binks as Padme's replacement on the senate!!!

Originally posted by steverules
I liked ROTS, I just found it stupid how they try and make Anakin look powerful by killing younglings...can't believe I'm using the word younglings. I liked Spider-man 3 over ROTS, I don't like how George is calling this movie stupid when he gave us Jar Jar Binks as Padme's replacement on the senate!!!

GL didn't say it was stupid or that it sucked, just that it was a little silly.

And it is.

Dancing Parker? Phone tag between MJ and Peter? Eddie joking with Captain Stacy as Gwen hangs about to die? The kid selling JJJ the camera?

You're confusing a sound plot with Spiderman 3's silly one now Steve.

Jar-Jar was tricked by Palps, and used for his stupidity.

It wasn't "stupid" of GL to do this... rather it takes Jar-Jar's goofy, clumsy, but helpful nature in EP1 and uses it in the next film to show how he was easily manipulated into giving Palps his military powers.

And as Ep1 shows, the Naboo and the Gungans are 2 parts of one world. Let's not forget that Jar-Jar is considered somewhat of a hero for his role in the Battle of Naboo. He would also represent Naboo in the senate, with Padme as the actual senator. It makes sense that he would take her place for a short time as an assasination is being investigated.

Maybe it's stretching it a little..... I know, we could have had the old butler who'd been around for 2 whole movies show up and tell Jar-Jar that Palps has always needed emergency powers and that he should give them to him. 131

Jar Jar got beaten...he didn't win, he lost! The only reason why he wasn't killed was because the battle station that was controlling the droids had been destroyed...by Anakin. If that battle station hadn't been detroyed then Jar Jar = Orange goo

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Because they list each and every review, and reviewer with a link to the whole review.

And its Roger Ebert, USA Today, New York Times, Time Magazine, Entertainment Weekly, etc....

Seriously, did you click on the links at all, or are you just trying to make some silly argument that Spiderman 3 was better than ROTS with no back-up other than your own feelings about the PT?

Their is no back up.A review of a movie from a magazine is not fact.It's a persons opinon.They might get paid for it,but nonetheless it is a well thought out opinion,which is a review.You can't factualy prove any movie is better than another.You can show reviews or gross earnings to show a films sucssess but that doesn't make it factualy better than another film.

Originally posted by steverules
Jar Jar got beaten...he didn't win, he lost! The only reason why he wasn't killed was because the battle station that was controlling the droids had been destroyed...by Anakin. If that battle station hadn't been detroyed then Jar Jar = Orange goo

My point still stands. Him as a representatve of his species on Naboo makes sense, as does him stepping in briefly for Padme.

Do you wanna continue debating Jar-Jar as a temp fill-in for the senator (perfectly logical) and the commercially/critically successful PT, or do you have some sort of comment as to how GL is wrong and Spiderman 3 wasn't silly?

Well...lets face it...the bit where spider-man is dancing down the street is meant to be silly...they were just adding humor to the movie and showing how cocky and arrogant spider-man had become.

Ok, that addresses one point from my earlier post:

"Now I loved Spiderman 3 really, I think it's the best as far as action and I liked the conclusion of the Peter/Harry arc.

It's a good movie for popcorn fun.

But it IS silly.

It's not deep and complex as some would say.

It's "complex" that a meteor with a symbiote just happens to fall next to Peter Parker? It's "complex" that somehow Venom knows all about Sandman and his daughter and after a two second lame conversation they decide to fight Spiderman together (for no reason, there's no reward or anything)? "Complex" that a woman is hanging from a 40 story building and about to die, yet her father and boyfriend can stand idly by as peaceful as hindu cows making jokes? "Complex" that Bad Peter Parker manifests itself by a Petrelli haircut and jazz club dancing? Is that "complex" enough for you Rindain? What about the shameless pandering by having spiderman swing by a giant american flag? Is that complex? Or about the fifty or so little kids standing at the base of a construction site in the middle of the night while a huge superpowered battle is going on right above their heads? I guess it's a deep complexity as to why any parent would allow their kids to be standing there gawking upwards within a fifty feet of unbelievably mortal danger?

No, GL is right... it's silly."

Got anything to say about the others?

(I didn't even mention the walking down the street bit, because I liked that part. The Jazz club stuff was stupid.)

And don't forget the f*cking butler.

That was out-and-out the silliest cheap plot device I've ever seen. 😛

GL needs to understand star wars films are just as silly.I didn't walk out of the theatre really in deep thought about the movie.I took the PT just as equally as silly popcorn fun.I just don't know if GL could take criticism like that.Maybe he can.I just think GL should put the PT trilogy in the mirror and take a good hard look.He would probably see a lot of silly popcorn fun in his own films too.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/451161_1-points-that-state-why-this-was-a-bad-movie

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http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php

Even more reasons to hate the new Star Wars Trilogy than to hate the SpiderMan trilogy.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php

Even more reasons to hate the new Star Wars Trilogy than to hate the SpiderMan trilogy.

Smiley just owned sithsaber408 😆

Their are reasons to dis Spiderman 3 but I think it's very very very clear that their are even more reasons to question the plot and story of the the PT.

I think this is a case of a wrong person saying the right thing.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php

Even more reasons to hate the new Star Wars Trilogy than to hate the SpiderMan trilogy.

Wow, you owned yourself, actually. I just read the reasons, and most of them are ridiculous. The maker of that site is obviously biased, and an OT fanboy.

I can't say their ridiculous.He obviouly is venting some anger but a lot of his points are very good.Reasons 84-87 for Episode 3 are all very good points.OT fanboy are not,not all these reasons to hate Star Wars are old school fan boys venting anger.Even at that,he went through every episode very carefuly.I could just as easily say PT supporters are new school nuthuggers but I won't go their because that becomes a pointless arguement of which group of fanboys are sorrier.