Stalemate or Venom wins.
First of all, Clayface it soo slow for Venom.
Second even if he somehow manages to hit Venom (even 20 times) it won't do sh!t to Brock, he took MUCH worse and was fine (it is Brock Venom we are talking about here, right?). Not to mention that Venom can camouflage himself. So this is stalemate unless Venom plays it smart and beats Clayface using environment.
Oh, and been done...
Originally posted by Sam Z
Stalemate or Venom wins.First of all, Clayface it soo slow for Venom.
worse and was fine (it is Brock Venom we are talking about here, right?). Not to mention that Venom can camouflage himself. So this is stalemate unless Venom plays it smart and beats Clayface using environment.
Second even if he somehow manages to hit Venom (even 20 times) it won't do sh!t to Brock, he took [B]MUCHOh, and been done... [/B]
Bullshit.
Venom can take punches that stagger Supergirl? Ha! Clayface can alter his form to make himself as big and as dense as a friggin' building. Top it all off with class 100 punches as well. Clayface can also turn his body into mush which makes him immune to physical force. Like I said, J'onn without telepathy, flight, vision, etc. Venom's speed would mean all of nothing here.
Unless Brock has water or liquid nitrogen, he's f*cked. Plain and simple.
Venom can't win this fight without some major CIS, or a plot device.
Originally posted by batdude123
Bullshit.Venom can take punches that stagger Supergirl? Ha! Clayface can alter his form to make himself as big and as dense as a friggin' building. Top it all off with class 100 punches as well. Clayface can also turn his body into mush which makes him immune to physical force. Like I said, J'onn without telepathy, flight, vision, etc. Venom's speed would mean all of nothing here.
Unless Brock has water or liquid nitrogen, he's f*cked. Plain and simple.
Venom can't win this fight without some major CIS, or a plot device.
Originally posted by Skeets
Yeah?
Originally posted by batdude123
Bullshit.Venom can take punches that stagger Supergirl? Ha! Clayface can alter his form to make himself as big and as dense as a friggin' building. Top it all off with class 100 punches as well. Clayface can also turn his body into mush which makes him immune to physical force. Like I said, J'onn without telepathy, flight, vision, etc. Venom's speed would mean all of nothing here.
Unless Brock has water or liquid nitrogen, he's f*cked. Plain and simple.
Venom can't win this fight without some major CIS, or a plot device.
Oh, and
4) Unlike Clayface Eddie is not dumb, and water is not that hard to find.
So again, or stalemate or Venom wins.
Originally posted by Sam Z
J'onn without tp my a$$.
He can be a size of a skyscrapper for all I care. It won't do him any good. Good luck fighting someone he can't see and someone who moves faster than he can react. The thing is Venom himself is pretty much imune to physical attacks. Venom has been taking punches from She-Hulk, Hulk and Juggernaut, and not just few, but dozens and kept cracking jokes. So...Clayface-who?
1) Venom can EASILLY dodge anything Clayface can throw at him.
2) But he won't have to dodge anything since he can camoufladge himself.
3) Even if some miracle happens and Clayface hits him it won't do Venom sh!t. Only annoy.
Untill you'll find a way to disprove ^this^ (which I'm sure you won't) it's a stalemate.Oh, and
4) Unlike Clayface Eddie is not dumb, and water is not that hard to find.
So again, or stalemate or Venom wins.
If you knew anything of Clayface, you wouldn't be scoffing at that statement.
Batman has taken punches from Wonder Woman, J'onn, Superman, Solomon Grundy, White Martians, etc before. I don't go around saying he has the durability to take continual punches from them during a fight, and it would be laughable for me to say so. There's no logic behind it. Captain America has taken multiple shots from a pissed off Hulk before without being dead. Does this mean he has durability on par with Colossus or Thing? Characters take punches in comics that should kill them all the time which skirts the line of insanity. Shit like that happens all the time, so it's not exactly the most credible evidence to use for your case of Venom being invulnerable. Trying to say Venom is durable enough to take multiple shots from someone who has hurt Supergirl before is absolutely ridiculous.
One punch may not end the fight, but a few would certainly KO Venom. And who says it needs to be a fist? Clayface could make his hand a giant sword 10x bigger than Venom's body. It wouldn't exactly be the hardest thing in the world to hit something considerably smaller than your own hand anyway. Eddy can dodge as many times as he wants, but he would eventually get hit, and he'd go down. Hell, if Clayface didn't want to bother with that, he could turn into a giant living goop puddle and suffocate Brock that way. The problem Eddy has is that he can't harm Clayface in the slightest with what he has to offer. What good is camouflaging himself gonna do when he can't damage Clayface?
Like I said before, Brock can't hope to win, much less stalemate Clayface without a plot device. And since this takes place in the middle of a forest, I doubt he'll find enough water to beat CF. Or for that matter, figure out that water is a weakness of Clayface.
Clayface for the win.
Originally posted by batdude123
If you knew anything of Clayface, you wouldn't be scoffing at that statement.Batman has taken punches from Wonder Woman, J'onn, Superman, Solomon Grundy, White Martians, etc before. I don't go around saying he has the durability to take continual punches from them during a fight, and it would be laughable for me to say so. There's no logic behind it. Captain America has taken multiple shots from a pissed off Hulk before without being dead. Does this mean he has durability on par with Colossus or Thing? Characters take punches in comics that should kill them all the time which skirts the line of insanity. Shit like that happens all the time, so it's not exactly the most credible evidence to use for your case of Venom being invulnerable. Trying to say Venom is durable enough to take multiple shots from someone who has hurt Supergirl before is absolutely ridiculous.
Originally posted by batdude123Few things you've got wrong there.
One punch may not end the fight, but a few would certainly KO Venom. And who says it needs to be a fist? Clayface could make his hand a giant sword 10x bigger than Venom's body. It wouldn't exactly be the hardest thing in the world to hit something considerably smaller than your own hand anyway. Eddy can dodge as many times as he wants, but he would eventually get hit, and he'd go down. Hell, if Clayface didn't want to bother with that, he could turn into a giant living goop puddle and suffocate Brock that way. The problem Eddy has is that he can't harm Clayface in the slightest with what he has to offer. What good is camouflaging himself gonna do when he can't damage Clayface?
Originally posted by batdude123
Like I said before, Brock can't hope to win, much less stalemate Clayface without a plot device. And since this takes place in the middle of a forest, I doubt he'll find enough water to beat CF. Or for that matter, figure out that water is a weakness of Clayface.Clayface for the win.
But there's one more possibility. Finding water is not hard, even in the forest, also it doesn't take much brains to figure Clayface's weakness. Actually water is the first thing that comes to mind when you look at that huge goo.
So again, it's or stalemate or Venom wins.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Now you're just being weird. Batman or Cap surviving punches from Hulk or Superman has nothing to do here. By this logic there is NO WAY to tell how durable character is since it's a comicbook. How can we say then that Thing can take punch from Hulk? Or that Luke Cage can take punch from Hulk? "Surviving" and "taking this on regular basis" are not one and the same thing. You can't say it's bull if this keeps happening all the time. And not a slap or one punch but many hit combos. Looks like you just need to update your knowledge of Venom.
Don't make me go through reposting respect thread scans again.
And actually it'd make much more sense to say that Supergirl was able to take MUCH WORSE than Clayface's punch without being hurt.
Batman took MANY of Superman's absolute hardest shots in the Sacrifice arc and survived. You and I know both know it should take one hit from Superman to vaporize Bruce.
He's also taken on multiple occasions other class 100 metahuman punches and kept on truckin' throughout the fight.
Stuff like that happens all the time in comics. What we have to do is differentiate the bullshit from the logic.
Like Superman for example. The guy can fly through stars and take planet destroying blasts from ground zero without a scratch. We see him constantly do stuff like this. Can you see Venom doing the same things? With regards to the stuff you've said Eddy has taken, I've also seen him brought to his knees by a flurry of punches from Spider-man.
SUPERMAN is the kind of guy who stands toe to toe with guys like the Hulk, not Venom.
Of course Supergirl can survive worse than a punch from Clayface. However, it was enough to stagger and hurt her. Now, ask yourself a question. Is Venom as durable as Supergirl? The answer is a resounding "hell no." And you think Venom is going to take multiple strikes from Clayface without being hurt at all? Laughable.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Few things you've got wrong there.
First of all, few punches will not only not KO Venom but will not harm him at all. If you'll keep arguing that I'll just post dozen scans to prove that, but I'd rather not get into that childish staff. Also, cutting him won't work either. (Ask Wolverine)
Second, there is no way for Clayface to hit Venom, and I mean NO way. Venom's just too fast for him. And he wouldn't eventually get hit if he doesn't want to, this is a guy who can chase and catch a bullet after it was fired.
Third, suffocating him will be a little complicated, since he doesn't need to breath.
As for camoufladging, it works both ways. Venom can't hurt Clayface, but Clayface can't hit something he can't see. Only proves my point about stalemate.
Yet, Clayface has hit Supergirl and J'onn before. Both are immensely faster than Venom. Clayface isn't slow like you think.
If he grows to the size of a 20 story building, hitting Venom won't be that hard.
Your comparing a stabbing from Clayface to a stabbing from Wolverine? Imagine Wolverine, only his claws are are 15x the size of your body, now multiply his strength by thousands of times. You get Clayface's stab.
CF would smash Venom without much trouble at all. It doesn't matter how long it takes him to connect or hit him multiple times, but at that size, it's inevitable.
Venom is not gonna hide like a pussy the entire fight. That just wouldn't be in character for Brock. So that scenario is out.
Originally posted by Sam Z
So, what do we have.
I'm listening.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom can't physically hurt Clayface.
Right so far.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Clayface can't physically hurt Venom
An INCREDIBLY false statement. Of course he can hurt Venom for God's sake. And Venom wouldn't be able to take all that many shots from Clayface shaped like enormous daggers.
Originally posted by Sam Z
he can't catch Venom and can't see Venom.
He's hit A LOT faster characters than Venom before.
Originally posted by Sam Z
So as I said - stalemate.
Alright, imagine if you will Martian Manhunter. Now, I want you to take away the invisibility, intangibility, telepathy, and Martian vision.
Do you think Venom could stalemate him then?
If you say yes, you know you'll sound like a gigantic Venom fanboy.
If you say no, then you're just being hypocritical because when you take away the stuff I mentioned above from J'onn, he's the same as Clayface.
Either way, there's a catch 22.
Originally posted by Sam Z
But there's one more possibility. Finding water is not hard, even in the forest, also it doesn't take much brains to figure Clayface's weakness. Actually water is the first thing that comes to mind when you look at that huge goo.
So again, it's or stalemate or Venom wins.
Finding water isn't exactly hard, but this is based on the assumption that they're near a lake or river. If there in the middle of the wilderness, he's not going to find enough water for it to have any adverse affects on Clayface.
And I think you're just wanting Brock to be able to figure out the water weakness. That's about as justified as me saying CF will be able to figure out the sonic weakness for Venom.
Venom isn't stalemating Clayface. Clayface for the win.