If I wanted to know the "future" of Kol Skywalker, I'd go to a fortune teller.
As it appears now, it's entirely irrelevant on what Kol may possess, or what writers may show him capable of doing, because when looking at the situation as it stands, he doesn't have any type of advantage, and he won't win.
Fact is, I don't really care about any of what's to come; it has no bearing on this discussion, and your point (that he has an edge based on his last name) is still moronic.
I thought I might get some intelligent response, something analytical, something interesting, albeit, my hopes were dashed. Trying to compare these characters as it stands now, is simply moronic, one has 2 movie appearences to his name, plus a huge wealth of material from novels, videogames and comics also feature him. Kol appears in one comic.
The real fact here, despite what you may be decieving yourself about, is that the Skywalker license is a lucrative one indeed, and it goes in favour of the character. In a few years time, when the Legacy era is fleshed out, then Kol will have feats to his name Luke might be proud of. Save your debate until then.
As provided, Dooku is one of the most powerful Jedi of all times and a greater Sith. But the point is we don't know enough about Kol to exactly determine how powerful he was. Technically, he is an unknown. We can only say about him by what we saw in this comic, which is only enough to know maybe two things about him, and those things are definitely NOT enough. We can safely assume, however, he had a hell of a lot potential, seeing he's a Skywalker.
Originally posted by exanda kane
I thought I might get some intelligent response, something analytical, something interesting, albeit, my hopes were dashed.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
I forgot who I'm dealing with here. *rollseyes*
Trying to compare these characters as it stands now, is simply moronic
The thread was made, ergo arguments are expected to be made, too. I suppose Janus, and the rest of the crew's act of arguing Vodo-Siosk Baas was more powerful than Yoda was 'moronic', as well, considering he appears in all of two comics, and one book (and it should be noted he barely does anything). As opposed to Yoda, who was in five of the movies, a huge wealth of material from novels, and an extremely vast amount of appearances throughout many comic series.
The point is, it's not 'moronic' to say character x beats y using current evidence, especially when the question is asked.
You know jack shit about what Kol might do, son. It's speculative to say he will have demonstrated such power, and your brain (now I know it's tiny, but I've been trying to keep that in mind) still has yet to comprehend the fact that it is completely, and utterly illogical to claim the battle is in "Kol's favor" based on his last name.
I find it rather comedic that you would give me a song and dance about how it's stupid to compare these characters, but magically, Kol gets the edge in battle. Luke in ANH was a Skywalker, too. I guess he'll give Count Dooku the beat down, as well.
No, the real facts are: 1) when matching these two up, as this thread is meant for, Count Dooku wins based on what we know, 2) Kol's last name doesn't necessarily automatically equate to him being greater than anyone, 3) what the writers might pencil in is irrelevant, because it hasn't happened, and we do not know if he'll show any monstrous displays of power.
Since you don't possess the ability to tell the future, you have no point. Since the versus forum is made to compare characters (whether how little or not the number of sources on them is), I am completely justified in claiming Count Dooku will win as it were.
Actually, **** all of that, if you don't want this type of response, go somewhere else. I don't deal with the type of bullshit you're spewing.
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Originally posted by Riverollv
But the point is we don't know enough about Kol to exactly determine how powerful he was.
No shit, Sherlock. I guess someone should hire you next time we need an obvious clue revealed to us all.
I simply don't give a rat's ass about that, as arguments were being made for Kol being superior to Count Dooku. Since those have been made, I have the right to debunk them, and argue as it is. That's the point you, and exanda are missing.
Originally posted by Advent
(Edit)No shit, Sherlock. I guess someone should hire you next time we need an obvious clue revealed to us all.
I simply don't give a rat's ass about that, as arguments were being made for Kol being superior to Count Dooku. Since those have been made, I have the right to debunk them, and argue as it is. That's the point you, and exanda are missing.
Yes, I know you have the right to debunk them and it's perfectly fine if you argue against them, but I believe it's necessary to count that. Actually, what I said mostly goes for those who say Kol is better.
"Necessary to count" what? That he's an unknown? I've outright been stating that with the current proof all logic dictates that Count Dooku is the superior.
I have no intentions of arguing that Count Dooku kicks the ever living shit out of the unknown Kol Skywalker. There's a difference between the "unknown" Kol, and the "known" Kol. Darthsith is stating that the 'known' version is greater than Count Dooku, which is simply false. If that even makes sense.
It's comparable to Marka Ragnos, for all we know he's the second most powerful Sith Lord with power rivaling Darth Sidious, but as of what he has shown, Kyle Katarn could take him down. So if someone is going to state "z0mg teh Ragn0s r > Kile Caturn!", they'd be quite wrong. I agree with you in general, though.
[QUOTE=8911592]Originally posted by kiddo44
that is obviously close, but i would go with the Count, he has shown greater force powers.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/445610_1-rots-mace-windu-vs-rots-count-dooku [/QUOTE
Master Windu can beat Dooku
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Master Windu can beat Dooku
Oh, what a compelling argument. 🙄
But of course, you are basing that foolish assumption off the simple fact that Mace has more votes (at least thats what I assume, seeing you havent provided a shred of evidence to support the claim). Well did it ever occur to you that people simply like Mace more than Dooku - hence his larger number of votes. After all, Mace is played by the BMF himself. He is bald, black, fit and has his own personalised lightsaber. Dooku on the other hand is a far less intimidating gentleman, who is best known for his arrogance and charisma. Im sure that most people, especially the younger generation, would prefer Mace over Dooku. He can be seen as a 'cooler' character. For all you know that is the reason for Mace's larger number of votes, and as such the initial claim is ridiculous.
Advent clearly doesn't know what she's talking about, as the fact that Kol is a Skywalker has everything to do with him winning in this matchup. Fact is, Skywalker force potential is > any other force sensitives' in the entire mythos, and >>>> Dooku's, so I really don't see how Dooku's supposed to take on an extremely well experienced Skywalker (which Kol clearly is), and win, when he couldn't even handle one with hardly more than ten years worth of experience.
Originally posted by Advent
You know jack shit about what Kol might do, son. It's speculative to say he will have demonstrated such power, and your brain (now I know it's tiny, but I've been trying to keep that in mind) still has yet to comprehend the fact that it is completely, and utterly illogical to claim the battle is in "Kol's favor" based on his last name.
Yet again, you will distort facts in your favour. I precisely did not say that the battle would go in Kol's favour. I was careful with my words because I knew someone like you, who deals in absolutes, would not be able to comprehend a neutral statement. Never have I, irrelevant of what others might have said, stated that Kol would have an edge against Dooku, and indeed, I voted for Dooku in the poll because as it stands now, as your farcibly superior intelligence demoted you to say, Dooku would prove the victor. Yes on the evidence as it stands now, Dooku is the victor, that's a given.
What I will comment on is that expecting to reach a sensible answer to this match up, you will have to realise that one participant appears in one single, limited source. Compared to his opponent, who has two movie appearences to his name, novels, game appearances and comics, he might aswell just be a name. These are the markings of a flawed argument. How can you possibly reach a concensus when you only have one, unreliable source? That is moronic. Take your ignorant answer if you want, but your proving nothing.
Originally posted by Reality Cell
Advent clearly doesn't know what she's talking about, as the fact that Kol is a Skywalker has everything to do with him winning in this matchup. Fact is, Skywalker force potential is > any other force sensitives' in the entire mythos, and >>>> Dooku's, so I really don't see how Dooku's supposed to take on an extremely well experienced Skywalker (which Kol clearly is), and win, when he couldn't even handle one with hardly more than ten years worth of experience.
The fact that he is a Skywalker hardly means he gains an instant victory. Thats a huge assumption, and a rather foolish one at that. If im not mistaken Anakin was a Skywalker in AOTC, and that didnt stop Dooku taking a figurative sh*t on him.
More to the point, Dooku has a large and impressive resume, one that dwarfs anything that Kol has shown us. To debate with feats that have not yet taken place, and basing your entire point on a characters last name is not an argument. More like wishful thinking.
EDIT: Kol can have all the potential in the world, it doesnt mean jack if he doesnt know how to properly utilise it.
Originally posted by Reality Cell
Advent clearly doesn't know what she's talking about, as the fact that Kol is a Skywalker has everything to do with him winning in this matchup. Fact is, Skywalker force potential is > any other force sensitives' in the entire mythos, and >>>> Dooku's, so I really don't see how Dooku's supposed to take on an extremely well experienced Skywalker (which Kol clearly is), and win, when he couldn't even handle one with hardly more than ten years worth of experience.
You really have to look at this objectively, because your point as I see it now, is flawed. True, he may well be a Skywalker, but we have little to no knowledge of the Skywalker lineage after Ben; for all we know, Kol may be a Skywalker by name, not blood. No, that's not likely, but he might aswell mark him off as a pretender until we get more sources.
What we can say though is that Kol was created with the soul purpose of dying, inspiring his son, Cade, who is the main protagonist of the series. Dooku was created with the soul purpose of being an instrument of Sidious for the films. They are both disposable characters, and any feats in the EU they have accomplished so far were achieved because the writers needed to flesh out the characters. Kol though, has noticeably less material to his credit. The difference between Kol and Dooku, is that Kol does bear the Skywalker name, and that is very important for selling the series off the shelf.
We can only speculate on Kol for now, as to compare them on "force potential" and the rest of it at the moment, is moronic. What we can speculate is that given Cade Skywalker's importance in the new saga, Kol's loss has to be a great loss; he has to be a great Jedi hero for his death to mean anything, or he's about as poignant as Owen Lars. In a few years timee, when we have more on Kol, this argument won't be fundamentally flawed. Keep the answer you reach for now, but it's moronic to hold that to heart.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
The fact that he is a Skywalker hardly means he gains an instant victory. Thats a huge assumption, and a rather foolish one at that. If im not mistaken Anakin was a Skywalker in AOTC, and that didnt stop Dooku taking a figurative sh*t on him.
More to the point, Dooku has a large and impressive resume, one that [b]dwarfs anything that Kol has shown us. To debate with feats that have not yet taken place, and basing your entire point on a characters last name is not an argument. More like wishful thinking.EDIT: Kol can have all the potential in the world, it doesnt mean jack if he doesnt know how to properly utilise it. [/B]
Your argument fails because you ignored the fact that Kol is quite clearly a well experienced and fairly old Jedi, meaning he's had the opportunities and training to hone his potential.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
You really have to look at this objectively, because your point as I see it now, is flawed. True, he may well be a Skywalker, but we have little to no knowledge of the Skywalker lineage after Ben; for all we know, Kol may be a Skywalker by name, not blood. No, that's not likely, but he might aswell mark him off as a pretender until we get more sources.
It's been confirmed that Kol and Cade are part of the Skywalker bloodline, it's under their profiles in Legacy #0.
What we can say though is that Kol was created with the soul purpose of dying, inspiring his son, Cade, who is the main protagonist of the series. Dooku was created with the soul purpose of being an instrument of Sidious for the films. They are both disposable characters, and any feats in the EU they have accomplished so far were achieved because the writers needed to flesh out the characters. Kol though, has noticeably less material to his credit. The difference between Kol and Dooku, is that Kol does bear the Skywalker name, and that is very important for selling the series off the shelf.
*Yawn*
Booooooooooooring!
We can only speculate on Kol for now, as to compare them on "force potential" and the rest of it at the moment, is moronic. What we can speculate is that given Cade Skywalker's importance in the new saga, Kol's loss has to be a great loss; he has to be a great Jedi hero for his death to mean anything, or he's about as poignant as Owen Lars. In a few years timee, when we have more on Kol, this argument won't be fundamentally flawed. Keep the answer you reach for now, but it's moronic to hold that to heart.
No, it's not. Much more force potential + quite a lot of experience to hone it = dead Dooku.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
So what if he is a Skywalker, not all Skywalkers have the same amount of potential, Shmi is a Skywalker to, would anybody say, that she would kick ass.
The descendant of the force Skywalker potential starts with Anakin Skywalker, so this is where your argument fails. Shmi came before that, not afterwards, like Kol. Skywalker potential has been confirmed to be genetic, meaning it's at least close to Anakin's. Even if Anakin's was double Kol's (which it isn't), Kol's had more than double the training and experience. Kol > Dooku.
Skywalker potential has been confirmed to be genetic, meaning it's at least close to Anakin's. Even if Anakin's was double Kol's (which it isn't), Kol's had more than double the training and experience. Kol > Dooku.