Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Namor is facing a superior fighter who is faster then he is, has the reach advantage and is armed with lethal weaponry. Namor is stronger? Big deal! His colossal strength advantage is the least important aspect of this fight... in fact it is practically irrelevant.
You don't seem to understand anything. Wolverine doesn't have any particular fighting style when he's in berserker mode, and he's not very strong either. The Beast could hold him back.
Originally posted by carver9
theyre trying to think of any way to make wolverine lose. Its so many wolverine haters on this forum. Let it been spiderman vs namor, they wont be using all of this throw building crap on spiderman.
No, now the whole debate has come down to 'Can Wolverine cut Namor' which has been proven. Now its a fight in a closed quartered arena and the only question is if Namor can survive three 12 inch claws being stabbed into him long enough for him to use his 80 to 100 ton strength to hit Wolverine hard enough to knock him out. Its stupid.
Let both characters start 200 yards away from each other in a city or jungle or something like that and Wolverine loses because Namor would take the freakin city or jungle down along with him.
I just cant believe how many people have such a hard time seeing a character with the ability to hoist a 100 tons beating a person that can lift about 800 pounds. Its so silly to even think that the character with that much deficit in abilities could win. Even with a healing factor, admantium bones, and claws,,,,he's getting knocked out.
Originally posted by tkitna
No, now the whole debate has come down to 'Can Wolverine cut Namor' which has been proven. Now its a fight in a closed quartered arena and the only question is if Namor can survive three 12 inch claws being stabbed into him long enough for him to use his 80 to 100 ton strength to hit Wolverine hard enough to knock him out. Its stupid.Let both characters start 200 yards away from each other in a city or jungle or something like that and Wolverine loses because Namor would take the freakin city or jungle down along with him.
I just cant believe how many people have such a hard time seeing a character with the ability to hoist a 100 tons beating a person that can lift about 800 pounds. Its so silly to even think that the character with that much deficit in abilities could win. Even with a healing factor, admantium bones, and claws,,,,he's getting knocked out.
Im done disputing here because people just dont make sense to me with there post. Wolverine dont need super strength to be a strong character (he actually lift 2 tons.). Wolverine claws is his weapon and due to the lack of strength his healing factor take blows that would kill a normal person. He also have a adamantium skeleton that absorbs impact.
He is built to take on stronger people than him. Spiderman is built to take on stronger people than himself (rhino for example). Why argue about something when in his 1st appearance he fought someone in the 100 ton range, he actually fought 2 people his 1st appearance in the 100 ton range and has been doing it since.
Namor dont have the tools or the skills to take wolverine out but the same cant be said for wolverine since he does pack 6 claws that could take namor head clean off. Now if you put this battle in the jungle, wolverine wins 10/10 since that is his fighting ground. that would be the worst place for anyone to fight wolverine.
Originally posted by tkitna
No, now the whole debate has come down to 'Can Wolverine cut Namor' which has been proven. Now its a fight in a closed quartered arena and the only question is if Namor can survive three 12 inch claws being stabbed into him long enough for him to use his 80 to 100 ton strength to hit Wolverine hard enough to knock him out. Its stupid.Let both characters start 200 yards away from each other in a city or jungle or something like that and Wolverine loses because Namor would take the freakin city or jungle down along with him.
I just cant believe how many people have such a hard time seeing a character with the ability to hoist a 100 tons beating a person that can lift about 800 pounds. Its so silly to even think that the character with that much deficit in abilities could win. Even with a healing factor, admantium bones, and claws,,,,he's getting knocked out.
You and I get into a fight. You have class 100 strength and manage to deck me in the face, but since I'm both a) faster and b) a better fighter, I manage to stab you twice in the chest with two foot long blades before you connect. Unlike you I have a healing factor and I recover from the punch almost instantly while you are left bleeding out from two puncture wounds in your chest. Who wins, you are me?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You and I get into a fight. You have class 100 strength and manage to deck me in the face, but since I'm both a) faster and b) a better fighter, I manage to stab you twice in the chest with two foot long blades before you connect. Unlike you I have a healing factor and I recover from the punch almost instantly while you are left bleeding out from two puncture wounds in your chest. Who wins, you are me?
Namor is faster.
Namor can also go into the water and heal up. He'd choose that over dying, trust me.
Stop ignoring the facts already. Namor is stronger and faster, him being knocked out isn't an option and Wolverine has no martial arts skils when he goes berserker. If he manages to get a clear slice at Namor's throat, then he might win.
Namor 8/10
Originally posted by llagrok
Namor is faster.Namor can also go into the water and heal up. He'd choose that over dying, trust me.
Stop ignoring the facts already. Namor is stronger and faster, him being knocked out isn't an option and Wolverine has no martial arts skils when he goes berserker. If he manages to get a clear slice at Namor's throat, then he might win.
Namor 8/10
1.) There is no water. Default Rules place the fight in an arena unless otherwise specified.
2.) Namor is slower then Wolverine.
3.) Wolverine retains all the skills he has normally when he is in a berserker rage only he is much more brutal, and because of a massive adrenaline surge he is reacting and moving and a faster pace.
Wolverine's beserker rage is what Martial Artists are trying to achieve through training and all the conditioning they do (minus the killing indiscriminately part). A focus where the body just reacts with out the mind needing to actually tell it what to do. Skill honed by instinct, that is Wolverine's bersker rage.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
1.) There is no water. Default Rules place the fight in an arena unless otherwise specified.2.) Namor is slower then Wolverine.
3.) Wolverine retains all the skills he has normally when he is in a berserker rage only he is much more brutal, and because of a massive adrenaline surge he is reacting and moving and a faster pace.
Wolverine's beserker rage is what Martial Artists are trying to achieve through training and all the conditioning they do (minus the killing indiscriminately part). A focus where the body just reacts with out the mind needing to actually tell it what to do. Skill honed by instinct, that is Wolverine's bersker rage.
1.) Okay, sorry.
2.) That is not true, I've never seen any showings of that.
3.) Let me see some showings of that past 1999
Originally posted by carver9
Im done disputing here because people just dont make sense to me with there post. Wolverine dont need super strength to be a strong character (he actually lift 2 tons.). Wolverine claws is his weapon and due to the lack of strength his healing factor take blows that would kill a normal person. He also have a adamantium skeleton that absorbs impact.
Wow, he lifts 2 tons. Ok, he can pick up a car. Namor can lift about 60 to 70 of them. Theres a big difference. Yeah I know Wolverine has claws and all that garbage and would heal from a punch, but damn, a punch, slap, or nudge from somebody that strong should effect him for some period of time.
He is built to take on stronger people than him. Spiderman is built to take on stronger people than himself (rhino for example). Why argue about something when in his 1st appearance he fought someone in the 100 ton range, he actually fought 2 people his 1st appearance in the 100 ton range and has been doing it since.
Because in his first appearance, he was nothing more than an annoyance to those class 100 characters and he continued to be that way until he started selling comics and becoming popular in the mid to late 80's. He has now progressed to the point that he is an annoyance to me and many other readers. I mean,,,enough is enough. The freaking characters going to be fighting the Living Tribunal soon if they dont lay off. (Healing factor and not being able to die,,,,,good lord)
Namor dont have the tools or the skills to take wolverine out but the same cant be said for wolverine since he does pack 6 claws that could take namor head clean off. Now if you put this battle in the jungle, wolverine wins 10/10 since that is his fighting ground. that would be the worst place for anyone to fight wolverine.
Yeah Namor cant fight at all. 🙄
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You and I get into a fight. You have class 100 strength and manage to deck me in the face, but since I'm both a) faster and b) a better fighter, I manage to stab you twice in the chest with two foot long blades before you connect. Unlike you I have a healing factor and I recover from the punch almost instantly while you are left bleeding out from two puncture wounds in your chest. Who wins, you are me?
Why would you recover from the punch immediately? I've seen Wolverine get knocked out by glancing blows from weaker people than Namor. As for being faster,,,I give you that, but Wolverine has sure taken shots from slower people than Namor.
Batman is a better fighter than Joker (Wolverine too), but yet the Joker gets a shot in just about everytime they fight. Strange.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I need to go to bed, its four in the morning.Anyway the Mr. X fight in 2001, Wolverine went into a berserker rage... and it was exactly how I described it. Wolverine fights the same in bersker rage as he does normal a brutal combo of Eskrima, Krav Maga and a few other styles.
bull-shit
Originally posted by carver9
Im done disputing here because people just dont make sense to me with there post. Wolverine dont need super strength to be a strong character (he actually lift 2 tons.). Wolverine claws is his weapon and due to the lack of strength his healing factor take blows that would kill a normal person. He also have a adamantium skeleton that absorbs impact.He is built to take on stronger people than him. Spiderman is built to take on stronger people than himself (rhino for example). Why argue about something when in his 1st appearance he fought someone in the 100 ton range, he actually fought 2 people his 1st appearance in the 100 ton range and has been doing it since.
Namor dont have the tools or the skills to take wolverine out but the same cant be said for wolverine since he does pack 6 claws that could take namor head clean off. Now if you put this battle in the jungle, wolverine wins 10/10 since that is his fighting ground. that would be the worst place for anyone to fight wolverine.
Originally posted by tkitna
Because in his first appearance, he was nothing more than an annoyance to those class 100 characters and he continued to be that way until he started selling comics and becoming popular in the mid to late 80's. He has now progressed to the point that he is an annoyance to me and many other readers. I mean,,,enough is enough. The freaking characters going to be fighting the Living Tribunal soon if they dont lay off. (Healing factor and not being able to die,,,,,good lord)
You are aware that Wolverine didn't have a healing factor until 1981, seven years after he was created? And that some of his appearances prior to that are among his most impressive? He shrugged of Colossus strongest attack like it was nothing with a smile on his face, owned Kierrrok and even took a direct blast from Firelord. He changed in the mid 80s (not much, but I'll throw you a bone) because he was a member of the x-men for six years with the writers establishing any thing other then his personality. They fleshed him out in the 80 because it needed to be done.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
1.) There is no water. Default Rules place the fight in an arena unless otherwise specified.
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
There is a water supply in the arena. Submariner is at top fighting form.
Originally posted by MRasheed
There is a water supply in the arena. Submariner is at top fighting form.
How did you get that for this?
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Nothing in that quote implies that there would be water in the arena. Namor in top form means he is fresh out of the water when the fight starts not "there is water in the arena".
Originally posted by MRasheed
Namor in top form means he has what he needs to be at his fighting best. That means a water supply is readily available to him in the arena.
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No it doesn't.
Best of his ability means all fighter start in top form, so neither is inexplainable weakened or strengthened for the fight. Thats all it means, it doesn't mean Namor brings a lake with him... that would be prep time. You might as well be saying that all forum battles with Superman take place on the sun by default so Superman can be in his top form.
Your bullshit claims that Wolverine still retains skill when he's in feral, is WROOOOONG, WROOOONG, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. It's wrong. You see it as some sort of insane speed/strength boost, which it's not.
Namor needs to punch Wolverine ONCE to know him out. Wolverine tried stabbing Namor, it didn't work.