Berserk Wolverine VS Namor

Originally posted by Ytse
I know Logan is very durable but if he gets punches to Logan's head that is a tremendous amount of force. As I said earlier, the adamantium will prevent Logan's skull from being cracked but the concussive force still reaches his brain stem. And that's where knockouts come from.

okay.. again.. yes in a realistic sense you're absoulutely right.. but we're talking about comic book characters..
whether you want to argue PIS or a further mutation in wolverine's head that keeps his brain from sloshing around in his skull.. to "his healing factor works so fast he rcovers from most knockouts before he even goes unconcious"... the point remains the same.. wolverine HAS..CAN..AND ALWAYS WILL take blows from emmensly strong characters to the head and get up from them... you can't ignore a character's attributes just because they don't make sense to you...

Originally posted by Ytse
With the claws taken into consideration, Logan's reach is much greater than Namor's so it would be difficult for Namor to actually get inside to where he could land some blows. But it's also dangerous for Logan to get close enough to do more than put shallow and/or superficial wounds on Namor. When he is close enough to actually run Namor through he is also in Namor's striking range. Logan would have to cut a vital spot, like a major artery, to drop Namor fast. It's conceivable that even if Namor were seriously wounded he would be able to KO Logan before losing too much blood pressure and passing out.

Namor can fly faster than Wolverine can run.

He can crash into Wolverine and pound him into unconsciousness.

Originally posted by Estacado
Stoopid Namor fanzzzz Wolverin wuldn't bee Ko'd by Namor unles hee wantc tooo!!!!!

No one is arguing that like.. 🤨

Originally posted by llagrok
Jinzin. He healed from that, remember? 🙂

And if you want top showings, how about the time Namor shot lightning.

He did it's true.. but you don't have a good grasp on how the HF works....

okay it's like wolverine is whole and undamaged.. he's operating at 100%R

wolverine takes a grenade and multiple gunshot wounds... he heals.. yes he's healed from that but now he's only really at a 70% capacity.

Next he gets sneak attacked by wonder man and is hit repeatedly by class 100 blows.. he heals... he LOOKS HEALED and in essence he is but now he's only operating at 10 to 20% capacity...

the more damage that wolverine takes without food or rest in-between the easier it is for him to get dropped later.... even though he heals things physically they still take their toll on him.. so again.. namor didn't drop him with one punch..

Originally posted by llagrok
Namor can fly faster than Wolverine can run.

He can crash into Wolverine and pound him into unconsciousness.

Originally posted by jinzin
the point remains the same.. wolverine HAS..CAN..AND ALWAYS WILL take blows from emmensly strong characters to the head and get up from them... you can't ignore a character's attributes just because they don't make sense to you...

Knockouts aren't about sheer force. It's about the way the head rotates when struck. So, that could easily exaplain the other occasions Logan has taken such powerful blows to the head and not been knocked out. And the muscles which hold Logan's head up aren't as strong as any of Namor's muscles.

i fail to see how that's likely since namor has failed to do that on a couple occassions before going down to such trauma.

I said it was conceivable.

Originally posted by Ytse
Knockouts aren't about sheer force. It's about the way the head rotates when struck. So, that could easily exaplain the other occasions Logan has taken such powerful blows to the head and not been knocked out. And the muscles which hold Logan's head up aren't as strong as any of Namor's muscles.

it has to do with the whiplash actually...

in a knockout the brain is sent from one end of the skull to the other the resulting trauma causes electrical impulses from firing neuro transmitters down through the nervous system which short circuits the body.... leaving the victim unconcious on the floor.. obviously the degree of strength from the people punching wolverine is so high that the way his head "rotates" is really irrelivent so it doesn't do anything to explain how he's not KOed.

still: namor's punches are not leaving wolverine unconcious a majority of the time.

Originally posted by Ytse
I said it was conceivable.

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine can bat bullets and rocket powered darts out of the air.. he can snag incoming rockets and bombs out of the sky... namor runs a greater risk of getting himself run through than actually setting himself up for a win with that strategy.

Read the title, will you?

Berserk Wolverine ain't batting Bullets out of the air. I've yet to see him do that recently anyways. Wolverine's speed is barely above peak human anyways, he ain't dodging Namor's attack.

Originally posted by llagrok
READ THE ****ING TITLE WILL YOU!

Berserk Wolverine ain't batting Bullets out of the air. I've yet to see him do that recently anyways. Wolverine's speed is barely above peak human anyways, he ain't dodging Namor's attack.

man you get worked up easy...

Why can't a berserker wolverine bat bullets out of the air?
In a berserker rage wolverine casually dodged and flipped around cyclops' eye beams... but he can't evade namor? why?

Listen in a berserker rage wolverine sees bullets go by him as if they are in slow motion.. any bullets he takes while in a rage are purely because he can and there's no point in dodging or batting what isn't threatening.. it's simple fight legistics.

and wolverine's speed being above peak human is well fast enough to evade or attack an incoming namor without too much trouble...
again he gets stronger, faster, better reflexes and hf while in berserker mode... he can more than react fine/accordingly to an incoming namor...
and again.. it's more threatening to namor's safety to try and fly into a gutful of claws than it is for him to fight smart.

You overestimate his berserker rage.

Who's next on his killing list, Vargas?

Originally posted by jinzin
man you get worked up easy...

Why can't a berserker wolverine bat bullets out of the air?
In a berserker rage wolverine casually dodged and flipped around cyclops' eye beams... but he can't evade namor? why?

Because PIS bullcrap isn't supposed to be used in these battles. We're supposed to stick to what is reasonable and logical based on what their actual powers and abilities are, not the over-happy PIS craziness of writer fanboys with a logan crush.

Let's stick to what actually makes a shred of sense, hm?

Originally posted by llagrok
You overestimate his berserker rage.

Who's next on his killing list, Vargas?

No I'm not.
Name one thing I've stated that isn't a fact.

Originally posted by MRasheed
Because PIS bullcrap isn't supposed to be used in these battles. We're supposed to stick to what is reasonable and logical based on what their actual powers and abilities are, not the over-happy PIS craziness of writer fanboys with a logan crush.

Let's stick to what actually makes a shred of sense, hm?

you know because tiny wings at the base of a man's feet allowing for him to fly makes perfect sense.. 😕

and I like how every single time wolverine does anything even close to impressive it's automatically written off as PIS... well sorry bud but it's happened to many times to discard... hence the squirrel girl respect thread.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Haven't seen you in the VS forum for a while CM, seem to spend all your time in the comic book forum now.

Originally posted by jinzin
in a knockout the brain is sent from one end of the skull to the other

Because of the torsion certain strikes may cause.

obviously the degree of strength from the people punching wolverine is so high that the way his head "rotates" is really irrelivent so it doesn't do anything to explain how he's not KOed.

Well, that aspect of real world physics just isn't addressed at all. I don't think it's a crime to speculate. If their strength was really as impactful as it would be in real life, the torsion wouldn't matter at all, the shock wave from the impact would just destroy his (or anyone else's) brain. Of course that doesn't happen because it would be totally lame to write like that.

People, let's not argue 🙂

Originally posted by Ytse
Because of the torsion certain strikes may cause.

Well, that aspect of real world physics just isn't addressed at all. I don't think it's a crime to speculate. If their strength was really as impactful as it would be in real life, the torsion wouldn't matter at all, the shock wave from the impact would just destroy his (or anyone else's) brain. Of course that doesn't happen because it would be totally lame to write like that.

It has been stated in Wolverine's narrative at least once that every one of the Hulk's punches liquefy his organs, he just heals before the next blow lands.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It has been stated in Wolverine's narrative at least once that every one of the Hulk's punches liquefy his organs, he just heals before the next blow lands.

Right.

This fight is almost impossible to decide.

Wolverine has been shown needing months to grow a new eye. 2007 grew a pair in hours. We both have feats that support and contradict Wolverine winning this battle, so it's so hard to reach an agreement.

We can however, agree that Namor is pretty badass and that Wolverine has sharp knives 🙂

Originally posted by Ytse
Because of the torsion certain strikes may cause.

Well, that aspect of real world physics just isn't addressed at all. I don't think it's a crime to speculate. If their strength was really as impactful as it would be in real life, the torsion wouldn't matter at all, the shock wave from the impact would just destroy his (or anyone else's) brain. Of course that doesn't happen because it would be totally lame to write like that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It has been stated in Wolverine's narrative at least once that every one of the Hulk's punches liquefy his organs, he just heals before the next blow lands.

again.. you can't just ignore a characters ability to do something because you don't like it.. BY AND LARGE wolverine can whether off namor's best shots.. that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by jinzin
you know because tiny wings at the base of a man's feet allowing for him to fly makes perfect sense.. 😕

and I like how every single time wolverine does anything even close to impressive it's automatically written off as PIS... well sorry bud but it's happened to many times to discard...

1.) The only reason why the ankle wings don't make sense is because some clever and innovative writer hasn't come along yet to explain them.

2.) Wolverine is supposed to do impressive feats, that's why he's a superhero. But within the realm of the superhero/sci-fi genre there are rules that are supposed to be upheld. Do not pretend that you don't understand that. A professional athlete with a samurai sword cannot cut through battleship with it because he's not strong enough and the metal of the blade would give out. If the sword was adamantium he STILL wouldn't be able to do it because he would lack the strength needed for the blade to penetrate.

Strength comes from DENSITY of muscle. The stronger someone is the harder their muscles are. Bullets bounce off of Namor's hide (and the Hulk's hide) because their muscles are so dense they are impenetrable. Wolverine is NOT strong enough to penetrate the skin of a being who can benchpress a blue whale. Any depictions of him doing so were based on ignorance and plot induced stupidity from the writers. It should not be allowed here where more logical rules apply.

Originally posted by jinzin
again.. you can't just ignore a characters ability to do something because you don't like it

I didn't ignore anything. And I never said I didn't like Logan's ability to heal. That would make no sense.

It's just that his healing factor is portrayed inconsistantly.