Who Can Defeat Charles Xavier w/Mind Gem?

Started by llagrok3 pages
Originally posted by His Airness
And you believe this why? ermm

Based on feats. Moondragon passed out after holding a crowd still during Annihilation. Prof x could knock them out and still not break a sweat.

The Contemplator of the Universe

The Contemplator has spent billions of years channeling the Power Primordial to develop his mind. He is one of the most powerful telepaths known. He can contact other minds across vast interstellar distances and in different dimensions. He also has other mental powers such as telekinesis and astral projection. He can achieve a meditative state that enables him to become one with the universe. This allows him to know everything about anything in the dimension he is in. It has been suggested he possesses other vast mental powers, but due to limited appearances and his passive nature these are largely unknown. He can teleport across galactic distances through the power of his mind and sometimes other dimensions.

Like all Elders the Contemplator has been rendered completely immortal due to the Grandmaster's pact with Death, even more so then before. He is immune to ageing, poisons, and disease. He can survive in space unaided and does not need food, air, or drink. If his body were to be destroyed it would either reform or he would survive as an astral spirit.

Contemplator ftw. AND he would take the Infinity Gem.

Re: Who Can Defeat Charles Xavier w/Mind Gem?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, since he had it in that Illuminati issue, let's say he knows how to use it.

What telepaths could defeat him?

If Xavier could fully control the Mind Gem, even Abstract level beings "out-TP'ing" him is iffy. 😬

A robot.

Originally posted by Wally West
I don't think she had the gem (in the fight Im thinking of, Infinity Abyss), and beating her was so taxing Strange collapsed straight after.

There was a time he took a full powered mind bolt without flinching, took the gem from her, and pretty much punked her.

Classic Doc Strange could do it. Thanos could do it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thanos already pwned Moondragon w/e the mind gem. He's more than powerful enough to beat Xavier. You don't have to go abstract to beat a mind gem wielder.

Bastion is not a TP, but he could probably beat Xavier.

No he hasn't Thanos has displayed telepathic abilities in the past, most notably before his death. In fact, the Loose-leaf update of the HBOTMU states that Thanos possesses psionic abilities.

This ability is typically innate among the cosmic Eternals, but not always so among the Titans.

The level of Thanos' telepathic prowess is unknown. It was presumed to be at a low level. When he decided to make a move against the Goddess during the Infinity Crusade, he employed the aid of Professor Charles Xavier to utilize his telepathic abilities. It bears mentioning that Xavier is ranked as arguably the most powerful psionic on Earth, and likely ranks among the top Psionics in the known Universe.

Despite the presumably low level at which he is able to gain telepathic egress into another's mind, Thanos is a formidable psionic combatant, having shown prowess sufficient enough to defeat both Drax and Moondragon in mental combat. While willpower isn't a quality that can be easily measured...Thanos' force of will is the equal of anyone's.

from http://corvusonline.net/thanos/powers.html and from what I know cannot agree more his WILLPOWER is second to none but his telepathic abilities isn't strong enough to take on Xaviar (who is arguably the strongest telepath on earth in my openion) even without the mind gem, so when he gets the Mind gem Thanos gets crushed. Don't forget that Xaviar was a lot of experience fighting telepaths and so on, thanos has fought what two Moondragon and Drax Xaviar has fought how many ??? don't even bother to find the number.

Many cosmics could take him out. Especially the likes of the Phoenix Force which is heralded as the strongest telepathic Force around.

The Infinity Gems on their own arent ridiculously powerful universe destroying items. Its when backed by each other that they reach that scale. For example, it is the power gem that acts as a huge energy reservoir to boost any of the other gems to universal proportions. Without its support the mind gem would just be a powerful trinket.

"A conduit to a seemingly limitless source of unfocused energy"

"Champions gem backs all the others with infinite power"

It is for this very reason that wielders of single gems arent very impressive in comparison to a wielder with the power gem coupled with one of the others.

Agree about abstracts could take him out but thanos no way in hell

white queen

depends entirely on how well he knows it. individual gem wielders have some good feats, but nothing that puts them at abstract levels. there is always talk of 'potential' but what is the greatest feat a gem wielder has accomplished? aw beating mephisto is a biggie, prolly the best. ss was able to handle moondragon's blast and not be ko'd. charlie would be above her i think because his base is higher, and he's smarter, but i'd that doesn't mean an abstract is what it would take to beat him.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is always talk of 'potential' but what is the greatest feat a gem wielder has accomplished?
Probably when Rune used the Time Gem to acquire all the other Gems... srug

that was a good one too, but greater than aw beating mephisto in hell . . .?

and didn't rune stop time around each individual? or did he just just it altogether? can't recall off-hand. i hate getting old . . . 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
that was a good one too, but greater than aw beating mephisto in hell . . .?

and didn't rune stop time around each individual? or did he just just it altogether? can't recall off-hand. i hate getting old . . . 🙁

I think he just stopped time around each person.

Or did he stop time completely? I don't know. 😮

I just remember Rune getting all the Gems in like 2 pages, all via the Time Gem lol.

Neither Thanos nor Strange beat Moondragon with the gem. I don't know how that rumor got started. Perhaps my copy of the Infinity Abyss is flawed, but she didn't have the gem in that arc IIRC. Wasn't that after Rune had gathered all of the gems?

The problem is that Xavier has no means of protecting himself. Anyone that can resist him long enough can take him out. The real question 9to me anyway) is who has the ability to resist a non-jobbing, non-"Let's have world peace" Xavier.

Certainly no one below herald, and I doubt that most heralds would be able to. Off world, X's range is pretty damn good. Unless he's facing a speedster (which so many people herald level and up are), then he has a decent chance of defeating most TPs one on one.

Originally posted by leonidas
and didn't rune stop time around each individual? or did he just just it altogether? can't recall off-hand. i hate getting old . . . 🙁

I don't think he could have stopped time all together with nothing but the TimeGem.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Neither Thanos nor Strange beat Moondragon with the gem. I don't know how that rumor got started. Perhaps my copy of the Infinity Abyss is flawed, but she didn't have the gem in that arc IIRC. Wasn't that after Rune had gathered all of the gems?

The problem is that Xavier has no means of protecting himself. Anyone that can resist him long enough can take him out. The real question 9to me anyway) is who has the ability to resist a non-jobbing, non-"Let's have world peace" Xavier.

Certainly no one below herald, and I doubt that most heralds would be able to. Off world, X's range is pretty damn good. Unless he's facing a speedster (which so many people herald level and up are), then he has a decent chance of defeating most TPs one on one.

first time Dr. Strange did it.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4936/infinityabyss3of6181ff.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6769/infinityabyss3of6213qs.jpg

2nd time.

Thanos owning Moonie in a tp battle.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3219/energy4is1.jpg

Her TP has no effect on him.
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1zc2.jpg

Ahem. Now quietly slink away and don't say a word. Because you just got owned. 😛

Dr. Strange punked Moondragon twice.
Once with the Gem, once in Infinity Abyss.

Thanos punked Moondragon, god knows how many times.

Moondragon with the Gem, put X in a coma, with her gem.

Thanos mind-raped the Beyonder. He blanked out a herald of Galactus's mind, and made him his herald.

Been unaffected by Moondragon's TP, while also fighting Moon, and Phyla.

Wait... Thanos is a low level TP'er?
I guess Galactus is as well, since Thanos had a little TP battle with him, in his mind.

Beat you to the scans Bran. But yeah, that entire post was BS. ✅

I would expect Moondragon would put Wheels in a coma...thanks to the Mind Gem....

And what's the point of bringing up anything Thanos has with Big G?

They're not even in the same galaxy in power ranges unless Big G is starving.