Who Can Defeat Charles Xavier w/Mind Gem?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't think he could have stopped time all together with nothing but the TimeGem.

hard to say. it's why i said it depends on the aptitude we're willing to concede. in theory, the time gem SHOULD be able to stop time, if it were used to it's fullest extent.

but it never HAS been, like none of the gems have been individually. there is also the notion that individually the gems are weaker than collectively, as when they are combined they draw power from the power gem which sort of serves as the 'background' for them all. still, each in itself is said to possess 'infinite power'. but we all know how much that actually means . . .

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Beat you to the scans Bran. But yeah, that entire post was BS. ✅

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And what's the point of bringing up anything Thanos has with Big G?

They're not even in the same galaxy in power ranges unless Big G is starving.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I don't post scans unless I feel the need to. That's why I barely post that many anymore.

i hear THAT loud and clear. 🙂

Except I know the details of the comic.

so much easier that way. 😉

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Dr. Strange punked Moondragon twice.
Once with the Gem, once in Infinity Abyss.

Thanos punked Moondragon, god knows how many times.

Moondragon with the Gem, put X in a coma, with her gem.

Thanos mind-raped the Beyonder. He blanked out a herald of Galactus's mind, and made him his herald.

Been unaffected by Moondragon's TP, while also fighting Moon, and Phyla.

Wait... Thanos is a low level TP'er?
I guess Galactus is as well, since Thanos had a little TP battle with him, in his mind.

Thanos actually restructured the Fallen One's brain at the cellular level rather than using Psionics.

All your claims about what Thanos is capable of doing doesn't change the fact that he needed Xaviar to utilize his own psionics powers.

And both these times it appears that Moondragon doesn't posesses the mindgem, and don't forget that she never managed to utilize it powers to its full capacity because of Adam having put restrictions on it so that its power couldn't be fully exploited.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3219/energy4is1.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1zc2.jpg

I will just say again Thanos willpower is second to none and in a telepathic fight that is crucial.

And when did Thanos have a fight with Galactus???

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

first time Dr. Strange did it.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4936/infinityabyss3of6181ff.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6769/infinityabyss3of6213qs.jpg

2nd time.

Thanos owning Moonie in a tp battle.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3219/energy4is1.jpg

Her TP has no effect on him.
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1zc2.jpg

Ahem. Now quietly slink away and don't say a word. Because you just got owned. 😛

Nice scans, but not very helpful.

In the first set, Dr. Strange defeats Moondragon during Infinity Abyss, but there is no gem present in those scans, which was my point.

In the second, Strange defeats Moondragon essentially because he isn't a person, per se. He's a magical construct. During that same story, didn't Warlock have trouble using a karmic blast on him? Dr. Strange and Strange are not the same.

In the end, those scans only prove my point. In both the Thanos and Dr. Strange incidents, Moondragon was overcome by someone who was able to resist her. Most TPs are not strong enough to resist Xavier on an average day, much less with the Mind Gem. That was my point from the beginning.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanos actually restructured the Fallen One's brain at the cellular level rather than using Psionics.

All your claims about what Thanos is capable of doing doesn't change the fact that he needed Xaviar to utilize his own psionics powers.

And both these times it appears that Moondragon doesn't posesses the mindgem, and don't forget that she never managed to utilize it powers to its full capacity because of Adam having put restrictions on it so that its power couldn't be fully exploited.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3219/energy4is1.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1zc2.jpg

I will just say again Thanos willpower is second to none and in a telepathic fight that is crucial.

And when did Thanos have a fight with Galactus???

So, all of the many other feats that rule this one feat out, automatically lose, because Thanos needed help?
Also, what you neglected to mention, was that Thanos had defeated Goddess, essentially by himself (he had the Mind Gem, but, I didn't bring it up, just telling what actually happened).

And the point of the scans are?

In Thanos's mini-series. When he used Moondragon and himself to get into Galactus's mind (it's Galactus), and Thanos then fought him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He made Fallen One into his herald... making him do whatever he said.
Wait, where did you get that he did this anyway?

So, all of the many other feats that rule this one feat out, automatically lose, because Thanos needed help?
Also, what you neglected to mention, was that Thanos had defeated Goddess, essentially by himself (he had the Mind Gem, but, I didn't bring it up, just telling what actually happened).

And the point of the scans are?

In Thanos's mini-series. When he used Moondragon and himself to get into Galactus's mind (it's Galactus), and Thanos then fought him.

I know he made him his herald.

From the comic.

No it doesn't but the scans shown that I choose to post is that of moondragon without the mind gem and on top of that she couldn't even use it powers fully.

He had professors help to utilize his own psionic power before going to battle the godess.

Which moondragon with ore without the mind gem. And what happen to thanos when he fought Galactus???

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
In the end, those scans only prove my point. In both the Thanos and Dr. Strange incidents, Moondragon was overcome by someone who was able to resist her. Most TPs are not strong enough to resist Xavier on an average day, much less with the Mind Gem. That was my point from the beginning.

Couldn't agree more

Ah, very true about the Dr.Strange/Strange being different people. Most people wouldn't know that. Bravo for not saying he's a robot or something.

But, remember, Dr.Strange w/Eye of Agg=Pretty much immune to TP attacks.

Strange can hold X off for as long as he needs to get his eye, and the all he needs to do is walk over and punch him. The Eye is, in effect, a mind gem level TP enhancement artifact itself. Given that Strange is a more powerful telepath naturally and his telepathy is magical and works completely differently allowing him to go straight through mental barriers, he should win handily.

Yes telepaths generally have problems with users of magic enchantress was capable of blocking out professor Xaviars mind probe with a magical shield.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes telepaths generally have problems with users of magic enchantress was capable of blocking out professor Xaviars mind probe with a magical shield.

Hoggoth is shown as a god of wisdom and Oshtur is a god of power.

But, yeah, Strange was given Agamotto's mental powers when he recieved the eye, which makes him, imo, able to take out someone like X w/gem.

Is this a purely telepathic battle or is this just whoever can Xavier?

chuck norris

Originally posted by long pig
Ah, very true about the Dr.Strange/Strange being different people. Most people wouldn't know that. Bravo for not saying he's a robot or something.

But, remember, Dr.Strange w/Eye of Agg=Pretty much immune to TP attacks.

Strange can hold X off for as long as he needs to get his eye, and the all he needs to do is walk over and punch him. The Eye is, in effect, a mind gem level TP enhancement artifact itself. Given that Strange is a more powerful telepath naturally and his telepathy is magical and works completely differently allowing him to go straight through mental barriers, he should win handily.

The other problem is that the mind gem will probably also give X TK, as it did with Moondragon. I think there are very few TPs that could exploit the gem as fully as Xavier.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I know he made him his herald.

From the comic.

No it doesn't but the scans shown that I choose to post is that of moondragon without the mind gem and on top of that she couldn't even use it powers fully.

He had professors help to utilize his own psionic power before going to battle the godess.

Which moondragon with ore without the mind gem. And what happen to thanos when he fought Galactus???

Wait, Moondragon couldn't use her powers fully? So using that logic, Moondragon has never been able to use her powers fully?

Yes, so I see, but what exactly does that say, since Goddess was a telepath, with the cosmic egg?
Also, Thanos wasn't wearing the machine when he blasted Goddess.
Although, it could have been the Gem, but I don't remember it destroying people... oh well.

Moondragon without the Gem. Thanos used her, and himself to project a signal to Galactus, to invite him to a mental plane, and Thanos battled him himself.
Thanos lost of course, but it's Galactus, and Thanos managed to almost submit him with a bunch of wirery things.

In a pure TP battle.