Asians in America: Top ethnic model

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

Is it genes or their upbringing?

My upbringing was something of a mad hatter back in the day. In those days after school activities were decided by an extremely strict schedule which comprised of academic homework. When I come home at 4:00PM, i'm usually only allowed about an hours worth of rest. After that designated hour, i'm to work on my homework until 7:00 PM. Should I finish my homework before that time extra work is assigned to me by my father who would personally work next to me with what would be considered advanced work. Given my age at the time the work was considered to be extremely hard. In the second grade I was learning multiplication from my father when I should have learned it in the 3rd grade. I was reading paddington bear novels in the first grade and I was also reading Lord of the Flies in the 5th grade(Lord of the Flies is something that people read in the 10th grade in Toronto). Oh yes, and also, if there was a complex word that I did not know I was ordered to look up that definition in an advanced Oxford Dictionary and memorize the meaning of that word(fun times). After 7:00 PM, I practice on the piano for half an hour and then go straight back to work until dinner time (around 8:30 PM to 9:00 PM). Hell on Holidays, extra academic work became a vicous chore for me as I work from 9:00 AM to 7:00PM doing my dads extra homework( I even recall having to read nancy drew novels and doing chunks of homework out of a math text book). And that my friends is approximately what the first 10 years of my life was like.

Anyways, my father and mother tells me stories of what education in Vietnam was like for them. And believe me, its hellishly disciplinary. My mom's high school was extremely disciplinary. Her high school was almost a prison which was enclosed in metal gates over 3 meters tall. Nobody was allowed out of the school until the gates open or unless they were allowed to be out of the school by thier parents. But thats nothing. Usually within the school there was a man with a cane who would hit people in order to urge them to get the hell in class. (Elementary schools are similar btw, dude with the cane and the gates etc). In class, were you to get a question wrong, you would get whipped by the cane as well. My mom tells me that when she was in high school in Vietnam, she cried multiple times because of how harrowing her school can be.

If it is genetic, how do they handle ADD and autism..I would like to know this.

Thats all I gotta say.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hurry throw some raw meat, they like flesh..I don't know why, but they do.... 😕

Well what can I say? It just taste so damn good!

Originally posted by doan_m

Can't vouch for ADD but I can at least vouch for pervasive development disorders. My uncle (God bless his soul) had a son who had a form of Autism. When he was diagnosed, my uncle refused to believe that his own son would possess such a disorder in the first place. I figure this must have been important to him because his two other sons were extremely smart people who were educated in private schools (one of them is going to be a dentist). So I guess you can illustrate how this felt to my uncle when he found out that his own son had a PDD. Also My mom was also particular worried about me because I did not start talking until around 5 years of age. I guess in the end, you can say they don't take it that well.

Thats all I gotta say.

Thank you for your response.

From what I gathered is

1. Cultural reinforcement of education from birth

2. Grades are monitored, and help is given when a person doesn't know 10 percent of the information (as most primary education is based on overlapping knowledge, you miss 10% and it adds up as you get older, or learn to slack off and don't care that you didn't know that little bit that ends up being important later, and then, miss out on that b/c you are playing catch up, and end up being a borderline B/C student).

3. Your parents gave you advance work, so you worked ahead of the class room, giving you an added benefit when learning things that could be harder later on. Also, they were right there teaching you how to study

4. Your parents were under the French system, see my dad was also, but he is Hispanic and not Vietnamese. The French have a particular way of doing math such as division and a particular way of administering study, it's rigid and rudimentary (much like the British system, I've heard the British system is better, but leans more so on memory work, but the French goes into methods). My dad felt that learning shouldn't be fun, as maybe that's what your parents were telling you with the stories of beatings when something wasn't learned. Learning to avoid the negative instead of learning to earn or seek a positive, it's a different philosophical belief about negative and positive reinforcement.

Thank you so much for sharing your story with us! Do you resent your parents for their strictness or how do you see it compared to non-Vietnamese parenting or upbringing? What did your uncle do with your cousin who was ADD? (maybe he gave up his smarts to his brothers and he left himself with nothing...they say that about beauty when it comes to siblings, one ends up hogging the good genes).

By the way, it's common for boys to start speaking later in life, girls speak faster then boys, it's just that girls are more social then boys, so don't feel bad about that, it's common knowledge in Western science that boys tend to speak later on in life then their sisters.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

Thank you so much for sharing your story with us! Do you resent your parents for their strictness or how do you see it compared to non-Vietnamese parenting or upbringing?

I can appreciate the fact that they meant the best for me, but from time to time I did resent them for imposing extremely strict rules on my life.

What did your uncle do with your cousin who was ADD?

(maybe he gave up his smarts to his brothers and he left himself with nothing...they say that about beauty when it comes to siblings, one ends up hogging the good genes).

it's just that girls are more social then boys,

so don't feel bad about that, it's common knowledge in Western science that boys tend to speak later on in life then their sisters.

my asian friends all have really good work ethics.

not the brown ones though...

I can appreciate the fact that they meant the best for me, but from time to time I did resent them for imposing extremely strict rules on my life.

That's a very natural feeling to have. But the benefits are outweighing the small pang you get from time to time, I assume.

Its a PDD btw, and although I do not know entirely what he does to raise him (see, he came from Hawaii and I'm from Canada, so theres that major continental divide) I do know that he had attempted to raise him to the best of his abilities and spent loads of times with him from what I can tell. I remember the last time I saw him, he was letting his son listen to classical music( obviously for the mind, but as to what direct effect I cant recall) on a daily basis, and sitting next to him so that he learns to read and such.

I will research PDD. With ADD we attribute it to food and lack of good nutrients or the body's ability to absorb certain (brain) vitamins (vital_minerals = vitamins). Certain supplements are geered just for ADD (or PDD).

Allright sure, but is it considered the norm that a child should not speaking until 5? [/B]

Yes, it's very common.

"Development of speech

Three separate areas of speech were assessed: pronunciation, grammar and rhythm of speech. Abnormalities of pronunciation were present in 11.5% of the children, while deficits in grammar (2.9%) or rhythm (3.3%) were far less common. Boys were over twice as likely to demonstrate deficits in speech development, than girls (Tab. 2). No significant differences in speech development were observed after stratifying for age, duration and location of a preschool attendance "

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/6/260

Sorry I don't have the ages for you, but age 5 isn't that late for a boy at all. The study says the development is later, that doesn't mean the boy is slow or retarded, it means there is a delay for a short time, that's all. And I bet you are better at mechanics or math then English or writing or communicating. As this is where most boys or men advance in then girls or women. My nephew started talking late, but guess what he's the best at? Math and mechanical stuff (he took to all the mechanical tools toys I use to buy for him), guess what his sister is best at? Talking and writing. She wrote her first book at age 4, she cries when her teacher doesn't give her the spelling bee list, as she was the top in her school. She's the language person, he's the math/mechanics person. They can change as time goes on, but so far, their interests seem to be different from each other, and my sister didn't plan it that way. He's a boys boy, and she's a girly girl.

Originally posted by ~Forever*Alone~
my asian friends all have really good work ethics.

not the brown ones though...

East Indian is Asian, and a lot of Indians are Brown. And a lot of Indians do very well in engineering and math, soooo....they too are Asian, don't forget that!

Originally posted by JacopeX
Well, what is someone doesn't want to talk to you because well there Mute, can't speak your language, Etc.?

I don't know. I get smiles from foreigners too, I don't care who they are, just being friendly but people don't have to smile though.

I should state that the issue with African Americans stem a lot deeper then what is mentioned here. And to understand it, one has to look at the intellectuals within the AA community, not just the actually common AA person.

From what I can recall from a paper I wrote in college, the issue regarding economic progress within the AA community has to do with an old issue of duality, the law versus technology.

Right after slavery, AA intellectuals were arguing if it was better to administer better laws OR for AA to be skilled using and designing the new machines (engineering)/teachers/etc.

The battle of duality was with WEB Dubois and Booker T. Washington. Civil Rights vs Technology. See, the issue was if AA were better skilled, would this also reflect in pay, or will it be a servant/slave issue all over again. That's the question among the AA intellectuals, and of course, WEB Dubois won this argument. He was from the North (ironically where industry was taking off..but he was moreso for civil rights, hence the NAACP) and BTW was from the South (where industry was slow, but he was for building an enginering school for blacks...Tusgekee (I believe, I could be wrong)), both had white fathers, both of their genetic fathers were Generals (I could be wrong about that), and both fathers took pride/invested in their son's education. I believe WEB was further educated in Berlin, this was shortly after slavery (I think, but correct me if I am wrong).

The issue of poverty is so complex and diverse, it's hard to simplify it by one easy answer, just takes much study to realize all the factors leading up to this issue. But again, I am not the one who raises the issue of the model minority, it's been discussed among some political leaders, news reports, and it's just not going away.

The sooner we figure out "why" the better off.

Originally posted by Schecter
slow down

dont break your hip

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
On CNN there is a topic about Asians in the Ivy League, and if their success is due to hard work or race. Is it genes or their upbringing?

And what about other ethnic whites who come to this country who don't do as well on the SAT, and other minorities (Hispanics and blacks) who do not do as well as Asians in the SAT.

Why is this, and please, no more PC race police, this is a fact and I love good people no matter who they are, so don't call me racist or race baiting, just want a simple understanding as to why...

If it is genetic, how do they handle ADD and autism..I would like to know this.

I know that with me, looking black, has made me have to prove myself to other blacks and EVERYBODY ELSE, ALWAYS, looking black Hispanic doesn't make it any better. If I talk about what I know, from what I have experienced thus far, it's been scorned or mocked by blacks and Hispanics (black Hispanics), even looked down on....they take the negative when talking about what a person knows. I have had little problems with whites when it has come to this (unless they are insecure, but RARELY ran into that, but when I did, it was equally with the same issues as some of the blacks who seem to culturally dislike "no it alls"😉. I have had little issues with Asians when it comes to what a person knows and enjoying discourse, unless they felt insecure, and again, rarely ran into those types.

What is it?

I worked as a private tutor before, and had a couple of Asian clients, they were raising their kids the same way we were raised, it was the positive aspect of learning and knowing and doing your best.

It's upbringing. Our parents are more strict with us as children. No offense to the Caucasians out there. It's all part of the culture.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

I know that with me, looking black

Originally posted by Bardock42

i am white on the inside and my soul spirit is not only white but also female, sorry if that messes with your logic or sensibilities.

yes, this is very true about my outer racial look, as if you were soul switched, you would have to ask yourself who you really are on the inside but know how others see you on the outside, as being mixed black for 3 generations will still have you looking black regardless of whatever else is in your "family"...

it's the same as if a female spirit was switched to be in a male body, as "he" looks in the mirror the world sees him as male (as i know the world sees me as mixed or black hispanic and female), she has to say she is male, but on the inside, he knows he's a she, and will identify with fem stuff and will not fit in well with males. sorry it happens in life, read up on soul transference before you call me crazy.

and the whole argument about this is to teach me a lesson, it's sad to take a little girl against her will and then, do something so very bad and then tell her (once she realizes what happened) that she deserved it and it was to teach her a lesson. with all the missing children, esp. white children in this country, i would not be surprised to find out a lot more of the cases of soul transference, either racially or gender switching of children and then, applying the herbs to make them forget...but the thing about forgetting is this, once you know something, it leaves a finger print in your mind, you may not recall the facts but you may sense the shadow, something familiar until the pieces come back together again. call me crazy, but stranger things happen in this world, and truth is MUCH stranger then fiction.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i am white on the inside, sorry if that messes with your logic or sensibilities.

yes, this is very true, as if you were soul switched, you would have to ask yourself who you really are on the inside but know how others see you on the outside, as being mixed black for 3 generations will still have you looking black regardless of whatever else is in your "family"...

it's the same as if a female spirit was switched to be in a male body, as "he" looks in the mirror the world sees him as male, she has to say she is male, but on the inside, he knows he's a she, and will identify with fem stuff and will not fit in well with males. sorry it happens in life, read up on soul transference before you call me crazy.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

not really raised there, but i have something that you might wanna know.

I think it's our upbringing. the way we were raised definitely contributes something.

and about the ADD stuff, some people accepts it and lets the child see counselors, or therapists, or people like that....

some just refuses to believe it and shuns the child, or harms it, or forces it to act normal.

hoodoo and ill will wishes 😂

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
not really raised there, but i have something that you might wanna know.

I think it's our upbringing. the way we were raised definitely contributes something.

and about the ADD stuff, some people accepts it and lets the child see counselors, or therapists, or people like that....

some just refuses to believe it and shuns the child, or harms it, or forces it to act normal.

forces "it"? who is "it"? you mean children? i believe it's cultural, i never believed it's SOLEY racial, but since they placed the question this way, i decided to follow suit.

see, our DNA is a read and write program, it's updating in real time as we speak, information is being added to our DNA, that's why they say if you have an immediate family member with an addiction, more then likely, even if the child is adopted and the parents weren't doing the addiction while the infant was in the womb, the chances of the child developing the addiction is greater b/c of what the parents did, why? b/c what we are doing right now is part of a current update in our DNA, and that info gets passed on, that's called genes. so, you can change things for your kids by doing good things now and overcoming bad, as this will be part of the genes just like the one for fat or smoking or alcohol....so, yeah, it's partially genetic b/c we are programming our self as we live, and the longer we do these things, the more likely it will be an inherent aspect of your gene pool.

http://metaphysical.articlesarchive.net/the-rosicrucian-council-of-three.html

http://groups.msn.com/AngelsAreOurFriends/yourwebpage43.msnw

http://www.alchemylab.com/christian_rosenkreutz.htm

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
not really raised there, but i have something that you might wanna know.

I think it's our upbringing. the way we were raised definitely contributes something.

and about the ADD stuff, some people accepts it and lets the child see counselors, or therapists, or people like that....

some just refuses to believe it and shuns the child, or harms it, or forces it to act normal.

why is a child who is having problems seen as an "it"? (this is soley philosphical, nothing more, not hardly emotional, so just want to get the dialogue out there)...