chithappens
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Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I should state that the issue with African Americans stem a lot deeper then what is mentioned here. And to understand it, one has to look at the intellectuals within the AA community, not just the actually common AA person.From what I can recall from a paper I wrote in college, the issue regarding economic progress within the AA community has to do with an old issue of duality, the law versus technology.
Right after slavery, AA intellectuals were arguing if it was better to administer better laws OR for AA to be skilled using and designing the new machines (engineering)/teachers/etc.
The battle of duality was with WEB Dubois and Booker T. Washington. Civil Rights vs Technology. See, the issue was if AA were better skilled, would this also reflect in pay, or will it be a servant/slave issue all over again. That's the question among the AA intellectuals, and of course, WEB Dubois won this argument. He was from the North (ironically where industry was taking off..but he was moreso for civil rights, hence the NAACP) and BTW was from the South (where industry was slow, but he was for building an enginering school for blacks...Tusgekee (I believe, I could be wrong)), both had white fathers, both of their genetic fathers were Generals (I could be wrong about that), and both fathers took pride/invested in their son's education. I believe WEB was further educated in Berlin, this was shortly after slavery (I think, but correct me if I am wrong).
The issue of poverty is so complex and diverse, it's hard to simplify it by one easy answer, just takes much study to realize all the factors leading up to this issue. But again, I am not the one who raises the issue of the model minority, it's been discussed among some political leaders, news reports, and it's just not going away.
The sooner we figure out "why" the better off.
****! You are miseducating people.
Firstly, this conversation about education and how blacks should advance in America began in the early 20th century. Blacks were called citizens but not being given the same opportunities as white people. The discussion was to find out how to address the issue. The two arguments were the following:
- Go to white universities and eventually be accepted by the white man. The main focus here being that they would accept black people if they took the white man's education and they the white man's education was better anyway.
This is Dubois argument.
*It is worth nothing that by this time some blacks had graduated on the Ivy League level and they had been successful later on so of course that helps this side.
- Live amongst each other and continue to promote self sustaining forms of income and education. If the white man is to respect black people in time, that is fine. In the meantime, blacks must take care of themselves because relying on the white man to support them will lead to the downfall of blacks.
This is the argument of Washington.
* HBCUs (Historically Black College/Universities) had been in place for a while by this time and the schools had been doing very well. One will always say that the Ivy League education was better, for example, but self-sufficency was most important to Washington. The supposed "better education" is based on what DuBois believed blacks needed. They learned what they needed to learn to prosper within the HBCUs; all the other crap was just for prestige and pompous culture crap in Washington's opinion.
If you are going to give a paraphrasing of such a broad topic then be accurate and thorough.
Secondly,
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
That's the question among the AA intellectuals, and of course, WEB Dubois won this argument.
blacks followed this idea after integration. Look what happened.
Integration helped on a social level because people HAD to deal with one another.
Economically and education wise it hurt bad.
Black businesses no longer had a certain amount of income guaranteed to them because blacks could shop anywhere and they WANTED to shop where all the white people could previously. This lead to a lot of economic strife where people just wanted income and jobs from anywhere! Didn't matter from whom, just someone come in!
For example, throughout the Black Belt in the South is a large concentration of hazardous facilities. This is because community leaders were told by them "We are going to bring jobs! Just let us sit our plants in and you will get in also!" Community leaders say fine but are unaware that the companies already have subsidies drawn up and the jobs they bring in can't even be taken by those in the community they set up in because you must be thoroughly educated to handle hazardous substances.
(This sort of thing is "pro business" attitude without the political experience of it all is seen through the Native American situation and even amongst whites in the Appalachian region with the coal mining issues they have. As you can see this is not just a racial thing).
HBCUs go to the shit hole list because now black students can go to public universities which were referred to previously as "white universities." So now no one goes to HBCUs and the ones that do, do not pay back loans which is why when I apply for Morehouse College they want to ask $30,000 a year from me, and why now they actually do not have the same resources without charging me like an Ivy league school or some study abroad program.
Third, if you are going to discuss a certain race, KNOW YOUR SHIT! Get on my nerves will all this ****ing generalizing and misinforming people.
It was not 'law v. technology.' Everyone agreed laws had to change; certainly after Jim Crow NO ONE was arguing IF it need to be done or WHEN. They had been talking about that from the start.
DuBois and Washington is not 'civil rights v. technology!' That is purely a debate on education and the social hierachy!
Damn I should start smoking 😮💨