What If Cap runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Alfheim
If Cap can KO Thunderball at class 1 strength at class 15 strength he will be able to KO somebody who can lift a 150 tons.

Cap with spider sense and agility would be even faster. Spiderman is afster than Cap but Cap can punch Spiderman all day. Cap would have no trouble dodging Venom.

I would Beast as slightly slower than Cap or the same in terms of reflexes and look what Cap did to Beast he compeletely demolished him. If venom has the same speed level as Spiderman Cap is gonna punch him up all day, the only chance is his tendrils and if Cap wants to he can keep his distance and use his shield.

Spider-sense will be negated by the symbiote. Why would Captain-man move any faster than regual spider-man? Maybe his movement in a battle would be faster, because of his training, but the stats would still be same.

When was the last time brute force did anything against Venom? Ask Juggernaut or Hulk. Was Spider-man trying to kill Captain America in the fight they had? nope. Captain takes his fights a lot more serious than Spidey does.

You still haven't answered, what would Cap-man do to Venom? venom's way more durable, has a healing factor enabling to heal everything Cap dishes out etc.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Spider-sense will be negated by the symbiote.

Ok fair enough.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Why would Captain-man move any faster than regual spider-man? Maybe his movement in a battle would be faster, because of his training, but the stats would still be same.

You said it his movement in battle would be faster. If venom has the same speed as Spiderman, Cap will be doging all his blows and punching Venom, the same way Cap took Beast to school.

Originally posted by Jyppe

When was the last time brute force did anything against Venom? Ask Juggernaut or Hulk.

What so Venom can shrug off blows from Hulk and Venom like their nothing? 🤨

Im pretty sure the Jury were able to hurt Venom eventhough they didnt win, therefore venom should not be taking punches from Juggernaut like their nothing.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Was Spider-man trying to kill Captain America in the fight they had? nope. Captain takes his fights a lot more serious than Spidey does.

Er was Cap trying to kill him. Are you telling me Cap cant behead Spiderman with his shield? Furthermore Spiderman was not holding back in terms of speed, if he tried to punch harder that would probably make his punches slower.

Originally posted by Jyppe

You still haven't answered, what would Cap-man do to Venom? venom's way more durable, has a healing factor enabling to heal everything Cap dishes out etc.

Well I have actually Cap would probably have no problems dodging Venom. I really dont see how Venom is going to withstands Caps punches when Cap at normal strength level has been able to stun people in class 50 range give him 15 strength and that makes him a beast.

Something tells me that people alot weaker than Juggernaut have hurt Venom.

PS. Your making it sound like venom can shrug off blows from Juggs and Hulk. First of all they still hurt and I think Hulk and Juggs beat him, Juggs stomped Venom.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its Brock. Please tell me how Brock is going to beat Cap-Spiderman?

Cap at normal strength level has knocked out Thunderball spark the **** out. Thunderball was class 10.

A dying Cap has made Giant Mans whole body go numb with one finger. Give Cap 15 ton strength what the **** is Brock gonna do.

Furthermore Spiderman is faster than Cap but Cap can punch Spiderman in the face all day. What the **** is Brcok gonna do, Brock is gonnaget his ass handed to him.

What can Venom do? Concidering that he's as fast as Spider-man, much stronger and MUCH more durable, how about this:
1) tear Cap's limbs apart
2) Break his neck
3) suffocate him
4) mind controle him
5) simply knock him out

As for Cap punching Spider-man, you mean that Civil War fight? Spider-man was thinking more than fighting, Cap is not exactly the guy whos nose Spider-man would break without a second thought.

Originally posted by King KAM
your an idiot and a fanboy. Cap without the np psyblocker

Sorry thats a typo thats supposed to be no pysblocker. I still think he can win. Cap even without spider sense can predict peoples moves give him spider sense and its midnighter time.

Cap with the alien martial art, eyes in the back of his head and enhanced durability mobility and power stays alive up to WonderMan.

Originally posted by golem370
With those remarks you are the idiot.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sorry thats a typo thats supposed to be no pysblocker. I still think he can win. Cap even without spider sense can predict peoples moves give him spider sense and its midnighter time.

gorgon can predict moves if he wants, Cap at rogers speed was hard enough to read, now at spideys speed...hes rediculous

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, and Venom before the upgrade was able to take shot in the chest of the anti-tank missile and explosion of dozen granades all at together without being hurt, dozen punches from Juggernaut and attacks from Hulk and kept fighting.

Bro I think you're blowing things out of proportion.

1. I thnk that was professor Hulk.
2. I think there were 2 fights with him and Juggs. The first fight Juggs only hit him once or twice. When Juggs laid into him he got stomped. I think that was a weakened Juggs as well.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And all before the upgrade. Now double all his states, since he merged with his own clone.

Er arent you blowing things out of proportion. Where does it say his stats got doubled at any rate I still think class 100 punches will still hurt. Its not like hes gonna stand still and take them.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Spider-man's punches aren't strong enough to hurt Venom at all. The question is - what the hell is Cap going to do to survive (let alone win)?

Er what part of a dying Cap made Giants mans whole body go numb WITH ONE FINGER and at normal strength levels knocked out Thunderball with one punch dont you understand? You increase Caps strength 15 times and hes gonna proper hit like the Hulk!(not brute strength of course). Hell Cap made one of Namors enemies lay flat on their back and see stars and thats WITHOUT his shield.

Originally posted by Sam Z

What can Venom do? Concidering that he's as fast as Spider-man,

Er arent you paying attention. Beast is about as fast as Cap...what happened. He got stomped!! If Venom is as fast as Cap now Cap will be punching him in the face all day and Venom wont land a finger on him.

Originally posted by Sam Z

much stronger

Caps being Koing stronger people for thousands of years.

Originally posted by Sam Z

and MUCH more durable, how about this:

hell Venom maybe be able to take punches from the Hulk...but a constant barrage....cos thats whats gonna happen. Venom trys to take Cap H2H...

punch
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punch
punch
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Originally posted by Sam Z

1) tear Cap's limbs apart
2) Break his neck
3) suffocate him
4) mind controle him
5) simply knock him out

Look maybe Venom can get some wins with his webbing and tendrils but even then Cap can dodge Spidermans webbing and hes faster than Cap. If hes facing an opponent just as fast as him its gonna be easier.

With the tendrils Cap can keep his distance and use his shield as a long range weapon.

Originally posted by Sam Z

As for Cap punching Spider-man, you mean that Civil War fight? Spider-man was thinking more than fighting, Cap is not exactly the guy whos nose Spider-man would break without a second thought.

Bullocks! In their first fight Cap laid Spiderman flat on his back and Spiderman saw stars. Yeah it wasnt a proper fight but Spiderman was pissed when he tried to punch Cap, if Cap wanted to he could have beaten him up on the floor

A robot clone of Spiderman based on Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in h2h so it had to rsort to webbing.

And the strongest point.... Everytime Spiderman fights an MA expert they always get first blood and Spiderman has to resort to webbing. It could be argued that he is holding back in terms of power but not in terms of speed. Some MA experts if they wanted to kill Spiderman could still win the fight because they always get the first attacks and they could decide to go for a killer blow.

Its happened to many times with other MA experts, so stop making excuses.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro I think you're blowing things out of proportion.

1. I thnk that was professor Hulk.
2. I think there were 2 fights with him and Juggs. The first fight Juggs only hit him once or twice. When Juggs laid into him he got stomped. I think that was a weakened Juggs as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Er arent you blowing things out of proportion. Where does it say his stats got doubled at any rate I still think class 100 punches will still hurt. Its not like hes gonna stand still and take them.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Er what part of a dying Cap made Giants mans whole body go numb WITH ONE FINGER and at normal strength levels knocked out Thunderball with one punch dont you understand? You increase Caps strength 15 times and hes gonna proper hit like the Hulk!(not brute strength of course). Hell Cap made one of Namors enemies lay flat on their back and see stars and thats WITHOUT his shield.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Er arent you paying attention. Beast is about as fast as Cap...what happened. He got stomped!! If Venom is as fast as Cap now Cap will be punching him in the face all day and Venom wont land a finger on him.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Caps being Koing stronger people for thousands of years.

Originally posted by Alfheim

hell Venom maybe be able to take punches from the Hulk...but a constant barrage....cos thats whats gonna happen. Venom trys to take Cap H2H...

punch
punch
punch
punch
punch
punch
punch
punch

Originally posted by Alfheim

Look maybe Venom can get some wins with his webbing and tendrils but even then Cap can dodge Spidermans webbing and hes faster than Cap. If hes facing an opponent just as fast as him its gonna be easier.

Originally posted by Alfheim

With the tendrils Cap can keep his distance and use his shield as a long range weapon.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Bullocks! In their first fight Cap laid Spiderman flat on his back and Spiderman saw stars. Yeah it wasnt a proper fight but Spiderman was pissed when he tried to punch Cap, if Cap wanted to he could have beaten him up on the floor

A robot clone of Spiderman based on Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in h2h so it had to rsort to webbing.

And the strongest point....[B] Everytime Spiderman fights an MA expert they always get first blood and Spiderman has to resort to webbing. It could be argued that he is holding back in terms of power but not in terms of speed. Some MA experts if they wanted to kill Spiderman could still win the fight because they always get the first attacks and they could decide to go for a killer blow.

Its happened to many times with other MA experts, so stop making excuses. [/B]

You said it his movement in battle would be faster. If venom has the same speed as Spiderman, Cap will be doging all his blows and punching Venom, the same way Cap took Beast to school.

The speed difference wouldn't be that big. It's more like Wolverine's speed vs Captain Americas speed. They're very close to each other, allowing hits, but not an instant speed blitz from the opponent.

What so Venom can shrug off blows from Hulk and Venom like their nothing?

Im pretty sure the Jury were able to hurt Venom eventhough they didnt win, therefore venom should not be taking punches from Juggernaut like their nothing.

Well, he does have a healing factor rivalling that of Wolverine (well, maybe not current Wolverine's) He can certainly take at least a one punch from those big guys and recover fast. If he was pounded on for some time his healing factor would burn out and he'd die. Exactly what happened in the first fight with Juggernaut. Venom takes a huge beating and is saved by the ooze in the pit, he even refers in the next issue that the symbiote was stretched beyond it's limits etc.

Er was Cap trying to kill him. Are you telling me Cap cant behead Spiderman with his shield? Furthermore Spiderman was not holding back in terms of speed, if he tried to punch harder that would probably make his punches slower.

Spider-man a nerd boy scout.
Captain America a Soldier (still a boy scout tough) Which one's going to hold back more?

Well I have actually Cap would probably have no problems dodging Venom. I really dont see how Venom is going to withstands Caps punches when Cap at normal strength level has been able to stun people in class 50 range give him 15 strength and that makes him a beast.

What does strenght level have anything to do with durability? Besides, Like I stated before, Cap's punches are very effective because he hits weak points, and has 1337 skills. Those wont work though the symbiote.

Something tells me that people alot weaker than Juggernaut have hurt Venom.

PS. Your making it sound like venom can shrug off blows from Juggs and Hulk. First of all they still hurt and I think Hulk and Juggs beat him, Juggs stomped Venom.

Probably, but we didn't get to see the new Brock Venom in action before he gave the symbiote away.

Something tells me that a lot weaker people haven't been Koed from Captain America's punches...

How's Cap going to counter his invisibility btw?

Spidey + Cap = Splap

Originally posted by Sam Z
1. Not sure, he was green but wasn't an idiot. I'm not good with Hulk incarnations, so may be.

Yeah thats Professor Hulk the weakest incarnation of the Hulk, os its not that impressive.

Originally posted by Sam Z

2. There were 3 fights actually. Juggernaut wasn't weakened and it was a classic Juggernaut. In the first fight he hit Venom dozen times and Brock actually kept cracking jokes. And he wasn't knocked uncouncious untill he got tossed into some toxins where he sank. In 2 further fights Juggs couldn't land a finger on Venom since the guy actually started to use his speed advantage.

Bro that fight looks like PIS. Venom isnt even class 100 and hes sending Juggs flying with a backfist sounds like PIS to me.

Originally posted by Sam Z

I'm not saying he will not feel class 100 punches, but it'll take a lot of them combined with may be a thunderclap to get close to knocking Venom out and a mean A LOT. And Cap can't generate class 100 punches not even with class 15 strength.

Well considering that namor has been knocked to the ground with a kick from normal Cap, class 155 punches from Cap as far as im concerned will hurt like the juggernauts and they will be more frequent.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Cap can't hit like the Hulk (unlike some other guys I understand your point) but Caps punches are strong because of his perfect technique and knowledge of the pressure points. And it will not work with symbiote that absorbs all the blows nevermind how and where you hit it. Basically Venom wouldn't feel any difference between boosted-Cap's and Spider's punches.

Well it could be argued since he wont be using brute force it will work. For example the suit will be able to absorb large amounts of energy but not small amounts, for example im sure he could feel somebody tapping him on his back and Cap can use that much force to hurt somebody.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Scarlet Spider was as fast as Venom and had working spider sense, didn't stop brock from almost killing him with one move.

Hes not an MA expert it makes a big difference.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Not to mention that Spider is more agile than Cap.

Well cap is as fast as Spiderman now and more skilled.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Venom's tendrills move faster than speeding bullets (but unlike bullets can change directions),

Cap can dodge bullets after they have been fired and thats without him being as fast as Spiderman.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Cap can beat on Venom all he wants and with no effect, but he won't be able to stay out of Venom's reach for long and unlike Cap, all Venom needs is 1 or 2 good strikes to finish him.

The tendrils could be a problem, but CIS is on and I dont think he uses them straight away.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Sorry, but it's a weak point. EVERYONE has KOed someone stronger than someone else at some point. What we know for a fact is that Venom can take any Cap's attacks, and once Venom grabs him it the end of a fight.

No I dont think Venom will be taking Caps shot well, but it could be argued that Cap would probably be able to resist Venoms blows beter byt rolling with punches.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Constant barrage from Juggernaut >>>>>>>>>>>> Constand barrage from Cap even if you make him class 25 or 50.

Disagree his punches are going to hurt alot and there is going to be lots of them.

Originally posted by Sam Z

For now, I don't see Cap winning at all since it's basically Spider-man with Cap's experience and shield instead of webbing. And that's not gonna help.

That makes a big difference.

Originally posted by Sam Z

He loses his shield once he tries that. Venom reflexes allow him to catch bullets after they were fired. Let alone shield.

No bro since Cap can dodge bullets after they fired im guessing Cap can throw it faster than bullets. Furthermore Cap doesnt always thorw his sheild at people sometimes he thorws it athem to get them into a position he wants.

Originally posted by Sam Z

If you read Spider-man books you know that Spider-man even when PISSED still holds his punches even when he fights SUPERvillains, and Spider-man himself admitted that because of that his attacks are slower than they would've been if he cut lose. Also keep in mind that Cap is not some villain but at some point is Peter's idol. There is no way in hell he'd fight Cap with everything he's got. And in the CW fight he was even doubting if he should FIGHT Cap or JOIN him instead, so... you know.

Cap has beaten Spiderman villains who were not holding back, so that doesnt prove anything. Even an evil robot clone of Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in h2h.

I dont think theres any proof that if he wasnt holding back he would be faster.

Originally posted by Jyppe
The speed difference wouldn't be that big. It's more like Wolverine's speed vs Captain Americas speed. They're very close to each other, allowing hits, but not an instant speed blitz from the opponent.

Yeah but Wolverine is an MA expert, Beast isnt thats why he got pawned. Venom is not an MA expert therefore hes going to get hit alot like Beast.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Well, he does have a healing factor rivalling that of Wolverine (well, maybe not current Wolverine's) He can certainly take at least a one punch from those big guys and recover fast. If he was pounded on for some time his healing factor would burn out and he'd die. Exactly what happened in the first fight with Juggernaut. Venom takes a huge beating and is saved by the ooze in the pit, he even refers in the next issue that the symbiote was stretched beyond it's limits etc.

and Cap is going to be pounding on him alot.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Spider-man a nerd boy scout.
Captain America a Soldier (still a boy scout tough) Which one's going to hold back more?

Whatever, point is Cap was holding back as well.

Originally posted by Jyppe

What does strenght level have anything to do with durability?

What so people in the class 10 strength range have same durabiltiy as class 100ers?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Besides, Like I stated before, Cap's punches are very effective because he hits weak points, and has 1337 skills. Those wont work though the symbiote.

I disagree because he wont be using brute force. Im sure the suit does not absorb all physical force eg im sure he can feel a touch. Thats all cap needs to do damage.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Probably, but we didn't get to see the new Brock Venom in action before he gave the symbiote away.

Something tells me that a lot weaker people haven't been Koed from Captain America's punches...

Dont see how that helps yourt argument.

Originally posted by Jyppe

How's Cap going to counter his invisibility btw?

Doesnt he become invisible when he is next to a surface? If thats the case easy. I dont see Venom being so fast that Cap cant see where he was before he did it...and even if thats the case all he needs to to do is get the **** out. For example if they were fighting in an alley and he did that, the logical thing to do is go to the rooftops or a more oepn space where Venom wont get him by suprise.

Yeah but Wolverine is an MA expert, Beast isnt thats why he got pawned. Venom is not an MA expert therefore hes going to get hit alot like Beast.

I assume you're talking about infinity crusade here, first of all Captain America was bloodlusted in the fight. He was trying to eliminate beast, unlike Beast who was holding back as Captain America used to be his team mate. Besides, Ape-Beast never really had any good showings against anyone.

And, Captain America probably knows all of Beast's moves anyways, he won't be able to predict Venom's attacks

and Cap is going to be pounding on him alot

Which will only get him killed. His hits wont really have any effect on Venom and which is when Venom will get his hits in. I don't see how Captain-man could deal any permanent damage through the symbiote AND so that the healing factor wont cope with it. It took MANY of Juggernaut's hits to nearly kill Venom (Common sense says he should have got Koed before nearly dying, but apparently his healing factor kept him concious or something)

You're implying that Venom wont get any hits in, I doubt it. He even lasts longer in a fight due to his healing factor.

What so people in the class 10 strength range have same durabiltiy as class 100ers?

don't go to the extremes. Take Luke Cage for example, he's not THAT strong, but his durability is great due to his metal skin. Another good example is venom, or any other symbiote dude.

Hell, if a guy is a p*ssy, (Creel's Crew...) He'll go down from pain alone, even people with heightened durability can feel pain, without any real harm being actually done, same with regural people.

Aaand, if someone's durability grows as much as their strenght (Seeing guys like Spider-man have 20 tons worth of strenght, but barely an enhanced durability) I doubt Creel's posse have as high durability as they have strenght. It's A LOT harder for a 15 tonner to Ko a 100 tonner than it is for 1 tonner to Ko a 15 tonner.

I disagree because he wont be using brute force. Im sure the suit does not absorb all physical force eg im sure he can feel a touch. Thats all cap needs to do damage.

I don't see how pressure point attacks or such would work through the symbiote. You do know how thick it is? You do know that the symbiote resists depending on the force aplied to it (Ie, slows down bullets before they reach the host etc.) You do know that Venom is massive..

Dont see how that helps yourt argument.

You said "Something tells me that people alot weaker than Juggernaut have hurt Venom." And yet yourself only use high examples concerning Captain America. He has failed to Ko Tony Stark with a once punch before..

They're called low showings and high showings..

Doesnt he become invisible when he is next to a surface? If thats the case easy. I dont see Venom being so fast that Cap cant see where he was before he did it...and even if thats the case all he needs to to do is get the **** out. For example if they were fighting in an alley and he did that, the logical thing to do is go to the rooftops or a more oepn space where Venom wont get him by suprise.

I don't know how efficient it is, but normal people haven't been able to detect him at all. I think Sam Z has scans of Venom's invisibility.

How about Venom's webs? How about multiple tendrils? (Cap usually fights people with 4 limbs...)

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats Professor Hulk the weakest incarnation of the Hulk, os its not that impressive.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Bro that fight looks like PIS. Venom isnt even class 100 and hes sending Juggs flying with a backfist sounds like PIS to me.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Well considering that namor has been knocked to the ground with a kick from normal Cap, class 155 punches from Cap as far as im concerned will hurt like the juggernauts and they will be more frequent.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Well it could be argued since he wont be using brute force it will work. For example the suit will be able to absorb large amounts of energy but not small amounts, for example im sure he could feel somebody tapping him on his back and Cap can use that much force to hurt somebody.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Hes not an MA expert it makes a big difference.
Well cap is as fast as Spiderman now and more skilled.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Cap can dodge bullets after they have been fired and thats without him being as fast as Spiderman.

Originally posted by Alfheim

The tendrils could be a problem, but CIS is on and I dont think he uses them straight away.

Originally posted by Alfheim

No I dont think Venom will be taking Caps shot well, but it could be argued that Cap would probably be able to resist Venoms blows beter byt rolling with punches.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Disagree his punches are going to hurt alot and there is going to be lots of them.

Originally posted by Alfheim

That makes a big difference.

Originally posted by Alfheim

No bro since Cap can dodge bullets after they fired im guessing Cap can throw it faster than bullets. Furthermore Cap doesnt always thorw his sheild at people sometimes he thorws it athem to get them into a position he wants.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Cap has beaten Spiderman villains who were not holding back, so that doesnt prove anything. Even an evil robot clone of Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in h2h.

Originally posted by Alfheim

I dont think theres any proof that if he wasnt holding back he would be faster.