Exar Kun and Darth Maul vs Darth Revan and Anakin Skywalker ep 3

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Yeah considering when he shot things in TOTJ they were either stationary or huge, and Revan would neither and has the aid of the force to simply dodge them till Kun either stops or kills himself.

Really. Those Massassi who tried to ran away and were obliterated by Kun's room-sized amulet blasts didn't seem to be "huge" or "stationary". And aside of that I'd like to see Revan "dodging" those beams going by their sheer size.

And Kun kills himself ? Right. After blasting that sithspawn multiple times with intensified rage and amulet blasts he was so close to death that he thought his hand was burned. This is absolutely close to killing himself especially since there is no visible damage done to his hand.

Even if Kun will at some point kill himself if he uses the amulet too much I doubt that will happen before Revan drops dead on the ground.

And its rather irrelevant if it was a TK attack or an visible physical manifestation of the force ie: Force Lightning. The force is the force, Kuns amulets are still "Force Energy" no matter what form they take, and as long as its that then it can be blocked by the force as well. The same goes for force lightning.

A perfect example of this in action is in Ep3 when Yoda stuffs the Sidious's force lightning and you see that the lightning isn't actually touching his hands and you see waves of blue light coming from Yoda's hands, its a force shield, using the force to block the force

Yeah. Right. If you show me somebody blocking some force application that is capable of tearing holes into massive walls and that doubles in terms of power with every use of the amulet you would actually have an argument. Until then I'll doubt that somebody would be able to actually block such a blast. DN Luke might be able to pull something like that off...but Revan ? And please don't come up with Kas'im blocking some force TK from Bane. That was one application of force energy and he had enough time to prepare his defence while the wave came rolling in.

And nice that you mention force lightning again. Revan's force storm is some large scale force lightning. I wonder what that would do against Kun. There obviously is a defence against that while Kun can come up with attacks that even Yoda, the most powerful enemy the Dark Side has ever seen (in times of RotS), had no suitable defence against.

And whats to stop Revan from again blocking and or moving? The limit of power we've seen with Kun's attack was killing the Sith Wrym and blowing a hole in the temple wall, we've seen force shields from weaker force users then Revan stop blasts that would liquidate them, and could blow apart a 20 story temple, Revan is in no real danger here. Meanwhile, Kun continues to lose control of himself to the point that it becomes lethal to him to even perform the attack.

Really. Why even bother to argue the amulets and if Revan can block that blasts or not ? Kun can instantly disable Revan's lightsaber (he did that against Luke) and proceed to rip Revan's sorry spirit from his body (he also did that against Luke) with a technique that Luke had no defence against. Going by the fact that Luke had knowledge from Yoda and almost the complete knowledge of DE Sidious I guess Revan also won't be able to defend himself against that. This isn't even talking about Kun's complete mastery of Sith magic which enables him to toss Jedi and Sith around as if they were ragdolls.

This while Revan has precisely nothing to stop Kun. At the very least nothing to actually kill Kun or take him out of the fight. To be honest... I doubt that Kun would even need Maul to win that battle if he can land one sucessful force attack on Anakin to take him out of the fight for some minutes. At least I don't see how Revan and Anakin should be able to actually win this...

Since I currently have no ambition to engage in anther annoying 7 post slap fest with you, I'll probably respond to this in a week or so.

EDIT: Scratch that now that I actually read your response It'll probably be tomorrow night.

One thing, Nai. I believe the book in question also credited Luke's coma to the "unleashed power of Kyp Durron" [who was strong enough to knock Luke across the room when he tested him for potential] as well as Kun's dark side knowledge.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Since I currently have no ambition to engage in anther annoying 7 post slap fest with you, I'll probably respond to this in a week or so.

Since I don't care if you are going to reply or not you might wrap yourself in the warm and comfortable illusion that I do and take as much time as you want before replying. Or don't respond at all. Doesn't make much difference if or when you come up with your next hopeless attempt to debate. Especially since I've read that here:

Its artist interpretation (a crappy artist to fit with a crappy writer), which is why when we see anther force user (Ulic) do an amulet blast it looks completely different from Kun's.

I was rather amused reading that from you. Because of the fact that you totally refused this argument coming from me in the "Ulic vs the Exile" thread.

Man, these are fun to read.

]How about "You're the most formidable student I ever had", coming from a guy who trained Jedi for more than five centuries (Vodo) ? And can you give me some evidence for Revan's uber duelling abilities ?

And? How do you know Vodo didn't simply train a bunch of scrubs, how do you know he didn't JUST now start training students? Oh yeah we don't, since we have no accurate comparison of what else Vodo has trained, its a rather moot point.

Aside of that, I love you complete lack of thought about the "master swordsman" title. Kit Fisto ? You're talking about the same guy that was visibly better with a lightsaber than post-AotC Obi-Wan (read "Cestus Deception"😉 ?

OMG he's better then AOTC Obi Wan, wowzas, wasn't he just a Knight who hadn't yet perfected Soresu and hadn't evolved into the defensive master he is in ROTS? Yep.

Sera Keto ? You're talking about the same Sera Keto that is the most formidable student of Cin Drallig, mastered a Jar'Kai variation of Juyo and almost managed to kill pre-suit RotS Vader ? Yay !

Um, no. Anakin completely dominated the duel and the only reason it lasted that long was because she kept running, and Darth Vader was largely playing with her, and other then that he proceeds to own her master with one hand. Now does Kun equal that? Or does Kun equal better then AOTC Obi Wan Kenobi? Or does he equal Sora Bluq, I'm STILL waiting for you to quantify this little "Masterswords Man" crap.

Can you remind me where Revan brought down Mandalore in hand to hand combat ? He killed Mandalore. Did he slaughter him with a lightsaber ? Did he simply force choke him to death or blast him away with a nice wave of force lightning ?

NEC, says it plain as day.

His "supreme precognitive abilities" ? You're perfectly aware of the fact where this myth comes from ? The Handmaiden mentions that Yusanis had the ability to forsee the development of Battles over months / years. She did draw the conclusion that because Revan was capable of beating Yusanis he must have had even greater talents in terms of precognition. Question: Are the Echani a race of force sensitives nowadays ? I don't think so. That means the ability to predict battles must come from the fact that combat is the foundation of their society.
Ok. They have better reflexes than regular humans but neither real precognition nor any force based abilities. So Revan's "supreme precognition" is based on the fact that he managed to beat some nice strategist with slightly-above-human reflexes in a duel ? Impressive.

No, seeing as being able to predict battles months in the future is impossible (I don't care what Wookie says) without the aid of the force it can be surmised that the ones who could perform this feat (which coincidentally where the highest of the Echani Generals) where force sensitive. And considering the Echani had faced Revan in the Jedi Civil War they likely saw his power first hand, thus allowing the Echani and Brianna to create their opinion.

He was capable of force choking a Jedi and use force lightning.

And able to perform drains and was described as you conveniently ignored as nearly unstoppable. And other then in that instance he was being boosted by a Dark Side space station combined with the power of the individual Jedi Knights he was draining.

His saber skill ? Obviously not enough to deal with Kavar who went to face him and managed to escape alive.

I guess Sidious sucks cause Yoda managed to escape alive. I guess Vader sucks cause Luke managed to escape alive, I guess Luke sucks cause Sidious managed to escape alive, I guess Yoda sucks cause Dooku managed to escape alive. Do you see where I'm going here? You don't know what extenuating circumstances happened in that battle, thus you can't form a correct conclusion on Malaks skill from that battle other then it was formidable enough that the leader of the Jedi Guardians whos specialty is Lightsaber combat failed to beat Malak and had to run.

Also not enough to deal with the Jedi who took his jaw off.

Other then your omitting facts and the Databank only says that it was a lightsaber that did the deed, which could mean Revan himself did it. Again your trying to form baseless conclusions off incomplete information.

Hell...one might ask why it took him several minutes (apparently) to actually deal with Padawan Bastilla on the Leviathan which led to the escape of his nemesis Revan.

Other then I can leave that area in about 4 seconds after Bastila confronts Malak...again moot point.

Considering that, one might ask how good Revan is with a lightsaber if he has to go through an "epic" duel with that guy...

That guy who as previously stated happened to be described as "nearly unstoppable."

Oh. The "Kun is a Padawan" myth again.

Dude...he was.

Kun was obviously capable enough with a saber to beat his own master who, right after this defeat, claims that Exar was his most formidable student ever. This is coming from the same guy who spent centuries with training Jedi. If Vodo puts Kun above all other students he's ever trained it's pretty obvious that none of them (Knight or not) did even virtually come close to Exar.

Again...who the f*ck are they? What type of power did they wield? What would it have been like if Revan was trained by Vodo? Would he still hold that opinion? I'm waiting for you to elaborate on this further.

Then Kun, during that "not finished his lightsaber training" days did display knowledge of Jar'Kai and Djem So. This pretty much mirrors Anakin in AotC.

No, sorry using duel blades on a whim once is not Jar'Kai.

How far away was Anakin from completing his lightsaber training ? What do you think ? Apparently it was enough to slaughter a village filled with Tusken and go toe-to-toe with one of the greatest duellists of his own era (Dooku, the unquestioned master of the "refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat"😉 to an extend where Dooku needed to take a deep breath after having finally dealt with him.

So wait Kun is now on par with AOTC Anakin Skywalker who could push Dooku to the extreme limits of: taking a deep breath! Thats cool.

And Revan had more knowledge about the lightsaber forms and actual combat ? Can you remind me where Revan came up with a completely new weapon form and a corresponding combat style. I must have missed that...somehow.

I wasn't aware that creating a lightsaber made you powerful. I also wasn't aware that people (you) seem to think a style consists of slamming your saber up and down like a retard beating a pinata. Other then that he had what at most 4 months to practice with his new style against students who weren't even in the same league as him.

Yet I may remind you that Kun's "knowledge sources" are Freedon Nadd, who single-handly f*cked up an entire army (the Beast Riders on Onderon) and Naga Sadow. The latter one is especially interesting since he belongs to the four people (next to Ragnos, Hord and Pall) that Kreia is basically worshipping as if they were gods.

And guess who creamed his pants when he saw Revan? Ajunta Pall, who was being blinded by Revans sheer power. Revan has knowledge from places Kun's never even seen (Malachor) and from Korriban and he was a Dark Lord for 5 years unlike Kun who had a year to learn the Dark Side.

Urm. How the hell would they sense Kun's specific aura in a damn maelstorm of Dark Side energy ? This while they were all focused on creating that nice wall of light. And notice that, despite of the fact that he was hit by the combined power of all Jedi in the Galaxy with the intention to destroy him completely, Kun's spirit still managed to survive that attack. How would Revan even be remotely compareable to that ?

You can't be serious? Kun's spirit wasn't being attacked, the Jedi were obliterating the surface of the planet, Exar as a spirit not being bound to the physical world was not harmed by the firestorm. However he was trapped by the Wall of Light erected around the planet. So big whooped he sorta survived and attack he wasn't attacked by and was chained to a planet for all eternity.

Again: Asking to proof a negative (Basically: "Proof that there is no defence against such an amulet blast"😉. One might ask why those amulets are descriped as being "deadly" if one can simply put some defense up against them. One might also ask how an uncontrolled and unfocused amulet blast floored Nomi Sunrider ? And Exar is "harmed" by those amulets ? Yeah. That "being harmed" turns down to think that his hand is burned by using that amulet.

One might note that we've already been through this...One might also ask when have those blasts been put up against a foe who can put up an force shield to defend against it.

Yeah, right. I wonder what would save Revan from the plethora of powers that he has never heared of and that Kun does possess.

And whats to save Kun from the plethora of Dark Side powers that HE'S never heard off, ie: EVERYTHING Revan learned from Malachor, you seem to be forgetting that Kun's dark side knowledge is limited to Naads notes on shit he learned from Sadow, Sadow's notes and one Sith Holocron. Oh Wow, that compares to and I qoute "a PLANET SIZED sith training ground."

Kun's freaking spirit was capable of coming up with attacks (namely that nice snakelike things made out of pure Dark Side energy)

Oh you mean the same thing Aleema did to Nomi...

that DE Luke (with all defenses Yoda has taught him) can't defend himself against and has never heared about. The same DE Luke that studied the entire Dark Side knowledge of DE Sidious.

Luke, who had a whole few months of training under Yoda who logically didn't teach him a defense for "mundane Sith power #56" and who logically probably only taught him a defense for Force Lightining as that was Sids signature power, and what beat Yoda. And the same Luke who had a few weeks of reading Sidious books and learning a few powers, ya real powerful. Also he had KYP helping him.

And you really think that Kun would even care about some intensified form of force lightning (Revan's force storm)

Yup Kun would just shrug this off:

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=070
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=071

when he was capable of resisting a wall of light attack from Odan

And Odan whose dieing words were "I'm old!" is the apex of power? Get real.

and survive an attack coming from all Jedi in the galaxy ? Right.

Been dealt with

Really. Those Massassi who tried to ran away and were obliterated by Kun's room-sized amulet blasts didn't seem to be "huge" or "stationary". And aside of that I'd like to see Revan "dodging" those beams going by their sheer size.

Its rather irrelevant since they obviously can't/didn't enhance their speed with the force to move and at first stood there and gawked at the fight. Again, force speed, or he could simply JUMP out of the way, since Jedi are capable of jumping very large distances with the aid of the force. Other then that we have no indication of how fast they even travel.

And Kun kills himself ? Right. After blasting that sithspawn multiple times with intensified rage and amulet blasts he was so close to death that he thought his hand was burned. This is absolutely close to killing himself especially since there is no visible damage done to his hand.

Other then he SAYS he was almost destroyed, and he could BARLEY control it.

Yeah. Right. If you show me somebody blocking some force application that is capable of tearing holes into massive walls and that doubles in terms of power with every use of the amulet you would actually have an argument.

Are your blind? KAS'IM DID IT.

And please don't come up with Kas'im blocking some force TK from Bane. That was one application of force energy

One application that he completely blocked, that obliterated a 20 story temple (not punching holes in the walls) and could turn a mans body to putty.

and he had enough time to prepare his defence while the wave came rolling in.

Considering everything we've seen from force waves in the past (KOTOR games) they don't move slow and travel instantly.

You must have missed this quote:

"But at the last possible instant he threw up a force shield to protect himself from the attack."

He had a split second to throw a shield up and it blocked an attack that FAR outshines Kun's amulet blasts, and thats from a weaker force user then Revan. You have no point.

Really. Why even bother to argue the amulets and if Revan can block that blasts or not ? Kun can instantly disable Revan's lightsaber (he did that against Luke) and proceed to rip Revan's sorry spirit from his body (he also did that against Luke) with a technique that Luke had no defence against.

Because he did all this with the aid of Kyp Durron and theres the fact that he'd have to first be able to overcome Revans defenses in the force, which seeing as Kas'im can block attacks that eclipse what Exar did, Revan logically being stronger then Kas'im in the force could do the same. Revan isn't Luke who had altogether 3 months of Jedi training and 2 weeks of Sith, he has at least 18 years of Jedi training and 5 years of Sith training.

Going by the fact that Luke had knowledge from Yoda and almost the complete knowledge of DE Sidious I guess Revan also won't be able to defend himself against that.

Assuming that Luke learned ALL of Sidious knowledge within a few weeks is a ridicules exaggeration and is stretching facts so much that its just plain stupid. And assuming that Luke would have an accurate defense against Sith attacks by simply training with Yoda for three months which mostly consisted of learning the basics is also ridicules, hence the "Not ready are you!"

Revan is NOT Luke, and Exar doesn't have Kyp to back him up, Revan alone was able to overpower a planet drenched in Dark Side energy, perform force storms and had knowledge that made Bane quiver in fear, beat the nearly unstoppable Malak twice, beat Bastila 5 times who without the aid of the Star Forge was able to blow back Juhani and Jolee both, then Revan fought her WITH the aid of the Star Forge boosting her powers to the point she could be struck down and rise again good as new, had Ajunta Pall creaming his pants over Revans power, decimated and Academy full of Sith. Really he's more then a match for Kun.

This isn't even talking about Kun's complete mastery of Sith magic which enables him to toss Jedi and Sith around as if they were ragdolls.

Um hmm, and who says he mastered Sith Magic? Oh yeah EXAR KUN, I guess since Anakin thinks he's a match for Yoda in AOTC is true huh? Lets not forget there's a plethora of Sith magic and powers that Kun has never even heard off ie: Malachor.

Kun's freaking spirit was capable of coming up with attacks (namely that nice snakelike things made out of pure Dark Side energy)

Oh you mean the same thing Aleema did to Nomi...

that DE Luke (with all defenses Yoda has taught him) can't defend himself against and has never heared about. The same DE Luke that studied the entire Dark Side knowledge of DE Sidious.

Luke, who had a whole few months of training under Yoda who logically didn't teach him a defense for "mundane Sith power #56" and who logically probably only taught him a defense for Force Lightining as that was Sids signature power, and what beat Yoda. And the same Luke who had a few weeks of reading Sidious books and learning a few powers, ya real powerful. Also he had KYP helping him.

And you really think that Kun would even care about some intensified form of force lightning (Revan's force storm)

Yup Kun would just shrug this off:

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=070
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=071

when he was capable of resisting a wall of light attack from Odan

And Odan whose dieing words were "I'm old!" is the apex of power? Get real.

and survive an attack coming from all Jedi in the galaxy ? Right.

Been dealt with

Really. Those Massassi who tried to ran away and were obliterated by Kun's room-sized amulet blasts didn't seem to be "huge" or "stationary". And aside of that I'd like to see Revan "dodging" those beams going by their sheer size.

Its rather irrelevant since they obviously can't/didn't enhance their speed with the force to move and at first stood there and gawked at the fight. Again, force speed, or he could simply JUMP out of the way, since Jedi are capable of jumping very large distances with the aid of the force. Other then that we have no indication of how fast they even travel.

And Kun kills himself ? Right. After blasting that sithspawn multiple times with intensified rage and amulet blasts he was so close to death that he thought his hand was burned. This is absolutely close to killing himself especially since there is no visible damage done to his hand.

Other then he SAYS he was almost destroyed, and he could BARLEY control it.

Yeah. Right. If you show me somebody blocking some force application that is capable of tearing holes into massive walls and that doubles in terms of power with every use of the amulet you would actually have an argument.

Are your blind? KAS'IM DID IT.

And please don't come up with Kas'im blocking some force TK from Bane. That was one application of force energy

One application that he completely blocked, that obliterated a 20 story temple (not punching holes in the walls) and could turn a mans body to putty.

and he had enough time to prepare his defence while the wave came rolling in.

Considering everything we've seen from force waves in the past (KOTOR games) they don't move slow and travel instantly.

You must have missed this quote:

"But at the last possible instant he threw up a force shield to protect himself from the attack."

He had a split second to throw a shield up and it blocked an attack that FAR outshines Kun's amulet blasts, and thats from a weaker force user then Revan. You have no point.

Really. Why even bother to argue the amulets and if Revan can block that blasts or not ? Kun can instantly disable Revan's lightsaber (he did that against Luke) and proceed to rip Revan's sorry spirit from his body (he also did that against Luke) with a technique that Luke had no defence against.

Because he did all this with the aid of Kyp Durron and theres the fact that he'd have to first be able to overcome Revans defenses in the force, which seeing as Kas'im can block attacks that eclipse what Exar did, Revan logically being stronger then Kas'im in the force could do the same. Revan isn't Luke who had altogether 3 months of Jedi training and 2 weeks of Sith, he has at least 18 years of Jedi training and 5 years of Sith training.

Going by the fact that Luke had knowledge from Yoda and almost the complete knowledge of DE Sidious I guess Revan also won't be able to defend himself against that.

Assuming that Luke learned ALL of Sidious knowledge within a few weeks is a ridicules exaggeration and is stretching facts so much that its just plain stupid. And assuming that Luke would have an accurate defense against Sith attacks by simply training with Yoda for three months which mostly consisted of learning the basics is also ridicules, hence the "Not ready are you!"

Revan is NOT Luke, and Exar doesn't have Kyp to back him up, Revan alone was able to overpower a planet drenched in Dark Side energy, perform force storms and had knowledge that made Bane quiver in fear, beat the nearly unstoppable Malak twice, beat Bastila 5 times who without the aid of the Star Forge was able to blow back Juhani and Jolee both, then Revan fought her WITH the aid of the Star Forge boosting her powers to the point she could be struck down and rise again good as new, had Ajunta Pall creaming his pants over Revans power, decimated and Academy full of Sith. Really he's more then a match for Kun.

This isn't even talking about Kun's complete mastery of Sith magic which enables him to toss Jedi and Sith around as if they were ragdolls.

Um hmm, and who says he mastered Sith Magic? Oh yeah EXAR KUN, I guess since Anakin thinks he's a match for Yoda in AOTC is true huh? Lets not forget there's a plethora of Sith magic and powers that Kun has never even heard off ie: Malachor.

Since I don't care if you are going to reply or not you might wrap yourself in the warm and comfortable illusion that I do and take as much time as you want before replying. Or don't respond at all. Doesn't make much difference if or when you come up with your next hopeless attempt to debate. Especially since I've read that here:

If your going to try and pull of the "nonchalant I don't give a shit" attitude you can't have previously engaged in a 7 post per response debate with me, you obviously do care, and with an almost 99.9% accuracy I can guarantee you will respond with cute little insults to supplement your crap. And I find it hilarious, that you hold the impression I can't debate when you can't even prove me wrong, you form baseless conclusions off incomplete data, resort to insults, use defeated points in debate, omit fact, exaggerate facts and you usually lack a general understanding of what the f*ck your talking about. Way to go! 😉

I was rather amused reading that from you. Because of the fact that you totally refused this argument coming from me in the "Ulic vs the Exile" thread.

Cause my analogy in this topic is wrong (I never said I didn't make mistakes) They are obviously NOT the same attacks. But I'm glad I pleased you, it means the world to me 🙄

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And? How do you know Vodo didn't simply train a bunch of scrubs, how do you know he didn't JUST now start training students? Oh yeah we don't, since we have no accurate comparison of what else Vodo has trained, its a rather moot point.

Your ignorance of the source material is really astonishing.
He just started to train students ?
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=009
"That's why I have devoted my live to teaching Jedi Knights..."
Nope. Not really. And use some common sense please. It's extremely unlikely that somebody who devoted his live to teaching Jedi only came across some untalented wannabe-Jedi-Knights. At least he has 600 years of experience with other Jedi which is...urm...ten times as much as everybody who might have given some testament to Revan's skill has ?

OMG he's better then AOTC Obi Wan, wowzas, wasn't he just a Knight who hadn't yet perfected Soresu and hadn't evolved into the defensive master he is in ROTS? Yep.

Yes. Kenobi must obviously have sucked. Can it be that Padawan Kenobi managed to go toe-to-toe with Darth Maul and kill the Sith ? This a decade before AotC ? Can it be that, according to Dooku's words in AotC, Yoda himself did praise Kenobi's lightsaber skill even at that point ? Can it be that we've seen AotC Kenobi pretty much kicking the ass of Jango Fett, the "deadliest man in the Galaxy" despite of the fact that Jango had fire support of Boba in the Slave I ?

Um, no. Anakin completely dominated the duel and the only reason it lasted that long was because she kept running, and Darth Vader was largely playing with her, and other then that he proceeds to own her master with one hand. Now does Kun equal that? Or does Kun equal better then AOTC Obi Wan Kenobi? Or does he equal Sora Bluq, I'm STILL waiting for you to quantify this little "Masterswords Man" crap.

Of course. Almost being beheaded now translates into "playing with somebody". It's pretty obvious that Anakin was the stronger duellist. Still: How many people did you see that almost managed to kill him on equal ground ?

And how should somebody exactly quantify a title ? The point is that this title was only given to people who have earned some extraordinary archievements in the lightsaber combat department. Be it because they mastered multiple styles, created (or helped to create) new styles or because they belong to the best lightsaber duellist of their respective eras.

Instead of attacking that title you might better come up with proof for Revan's uber lightsaber abilities. Obviously the Jedi Council thought that sending two Jedi under the command of Padawan Bastilla would be enough to capture him as it appears from the corresponding cutscene in KotoR. I wonder how they managed to come up with that plan if Revan was indeed so damn powerful ?

No, seeing as being able to predict battles months in the future is impossible (I don't care what Wookie says) without the aid of the force it can be surmised that the ones who could perform this feat (which coincidentally where the highest of the Echani Generals) where force sensitive. And considering the Echani had faced Revan in the Jedi Civil War they likely saw his power first hand, thus allowing the Echani and Brianna to create their opinion.

That is extremely funny. You might go an tell that to Thrawn who was capable of pulling that feat off. By analyzing his enemies he was capable of predicting every single move they would come up with. Was he force sensitive ?
I know you hate analogies to the real world but predicting battles over weeks and even months was also attributed to the like of Alexander the Great, Hannibal or the Nazi-General Erwin Rommel. It's all a matter of analyzing your opponent and then provoke actions or react in a way that provokes a desired counter-reaction. But maybe all of them where gifted with magical foretelling abilities or they were force sensitives.

And able to perform drains and was described as you conveniently ignored as nearly unstoppable. And other then in that instance he was being boosted by a Dark Side space station combined with the power of the individual Jedi Knights he was draining.

Would you please quantify the power boost Malak received from the space station ? Unless you can do that, it's pretty useless to mention it. The "power of the individual Jedi Knights" ? Wow. As far as I remember he just zapped their life energy to heal himself and I don't recall something else being suggested. That of course if Revan didn't decide to destroy the trapped Jedi during the confrontation which would limit Malak's gain of trapping them to refilling his life energy once.

And "nearly unstoppable" ? You mean nearly unstoppable like Durge, Grievous or Tavionn ? The latter one would be a good example how much somebody can "drain" (in this case entire places serving as nexus points for Dark Side energy) without gaining much advantage from it.

Other then your omitting facts and the Databank only says that it was a lightsaber that did the deed, which could mean Revan himself did it. Again your trying to form baseless conclusions off incomplete information.

The official KotoR page said that it was a Jedi who did it. I quoted that multiple times here before it went offline and I recall having nice discussions about who might actually have done that with the likes of Lightsnake (and I think Escape).

Other then I can leave that area in about 4 seconds after Bastila confronts Malak...again moot point.

Or you can stay there for 30 Minutes to see what happens. But obviously the way from the point of confrontation back to the Ebon Hawk takes more than 4 seconds not to mention the little discussion with Carth who tells Revan to run because otherwise Bastilla's sacrifice would have been useless.

That guy who as previously stated happened to be described as "nearly unstoppable."

Kun was descriped as completely unstoppable and the most powerful single entity in the entire Galaxy. KotoR descripes him as being so powerful that he made the ground shake while walking on it. Malak and Revan simply pale in comparison.

Again...who the f*ck are they? What type of power did they wield? What would it have been like if Revan was trained by Vodo? Would he still hold that opinion? I'm waiting for you to elaborate on this further.

How is being "a great Jedi" (Vodo), "one being greater than one of the greatest ones" (going by Nadd), "an immensely powerful Jedi" (Oss Willum), "the most formidable student" of a 600 year old Jedi Master who devoted his life to training powerful force users etc. pp. anything debateable ? I don't want to waste my time on mindless speculation on Vodo's possible oppinion on Revan. One might ask why Revan did even need to search for the Star Forge with all his (estimated) power where Kun was capable of coming up with dark side imbued weapons of mass destruction (like the Dark Reaper) on his own. One might also ask why some of the most powerful items one can find in KotoR are some waste that Kun left behind on Yavin 4.

Another good question to answer would be why Revan has to go and fight the Ancient Sith in the unknown regions after the events off KotoR. They are a threat to him and the Republic ? Notice how the omniscient narrator calls Kun "the darkest power in the Galaxy" (http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=5&page=020), making him obviously more powerful than them.

And I should elaborate further ? You might elaborate further on all the funny statements you've given about Malak and Revan. Malak was "near unstoppable" ? For whom ? Revan was the most powerful warrior of his time ? Compared to whom ?

No, sorry using duel blades on a whim once is not Jar'Kai.

Obviously Kun knows exactly what he's doing going by the movement patterns he shows here: http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=031 and the fact how presicely he does hit Vodo's stuff with both blades here: http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=032

Aside of that he always carries two lightsabers with him which actually dictates that he also may utilize Jar'Kai if he wants. At least I don't have any other explanation for this here:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=5&page=035

So wait Kun is now on par with AOTC Anakin Skywalker who could push Dooku to the extreme limits of: taking a deep breath! Thats cool.

No. I said that he mirrors AotC Anakin's saber skills and that at a time when he "didn't finish his lightsaber training" as you kept repeating. Notice how Mace Windu refers to Anakin, even at that point, as the "most powerful Jedi of that time even becoming stronger".

I wasn't aware that creating a lightsaber made you powerful. I also wasn't aware that people (you) seem to think a style consists of slamming your saber up and down like a retard beating a pinata. Other then that he had what at most 4 months to practice with his new style against students who weren't even in the same league as him.

Yes. Let's again go by the pictures and ignore every bit of common sense. I didn't know that being a lightsaber prodigy (Luke Skywalker) consists of swinging your lightsaber like a baseball bat with all the grace and coordination of a deck-chair. And that's enough to beat the legendary Darth Vader ? I mean...Vader and Obi-Wan also didn't appear as uber duellists in ANH. Maybe we could conclude that it just looks like that because of the limitations of the medium. The way Kun wields his saber during the first fights we see him in (Crado, Sylvar, Vodo) at least suggest that he's one of the more versatile duellist considering how he holds and moves his blade. But of course we might just ignore that observation, like you always ignore the source material where it doesn't fit your oppinion, and conclude that Kun was just slamming his saber up and down like a "retard beating a pinata". Then of course I'd have to suggest that you are a retard trying to debate.

And guess who creamed his pants when he saw Revan? Ajunta Pall, who was being blinded by Revans sheer power. Revan has knowledge from places Kun's never even seen (Malachor) and from Korriban and he was a Dark Lord for 5 years unlike Kun who had a year to learn the Dark Side.

Ajunta Pall creamed his pants so much that he attacked Revan. That's what I call fear. We might, of course, ignore the fact that Pall was completely insane due to the fact that his own blade kept him as a prisoner in his tomb for some thousand years.

And your lack of knowledge is always amusing. Revan had knowledge from Korriban ? The same Korriban Kun already plundered almost 4 decades before Revan's time. Impressive. Malachor ? I'm sure that the knowledge of a place designed to teach students in the ways of the Dark Side is compareable to personal training from Freedon Nadd and the complete knowledge of Naga Sadow.

Let's check the results of that knowledge:
Revan had to search for some ancient Sith artifact, was capable of coming up with some epic scale force lightning (force storm) and went off to fight the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire in the unknown regions.

Kun came up with his own dark-side-powered superweapons, constructed artifacts Revan had to search for, was capable of alter lifeforms as well as create new monstrosities. With apparent ease he managed to freeze the entire Senate (thousands if not tenthousands or millions of beings) and was descriped as the "darkest power in the Galaxy" despite of that remains of the Ancient Sith Empire.

Really. One must wonder why Revan, who you deem to be more powerful than Kun, didn't simply freeze the entire Mandalorian Army and owned them personally, zapped their lifeforce (as Kun did to thousands of Massassi) or walked into the freaking Senate on Coruscant to declare the end of the Republic (as Kun pretty much did). Instead he had to come up with a bloody war against the Mandalorians first and then he resorted to guerilla warfare against the Republic.

You can't be serious? Kun's spirit wasn't being attacked, the Jedi were obliterating the surface of the planet, Exar as a spirit not being bound to the physical world was not harmed by the firestorm. However he was trapped by the Wall of Light erected around the planet. So big whooped he sorta survived and attack he wasn't attacked by and was chained to a planet for all eternity.

Wow. Was it a force attack ? Can you please explain to me how - estimating force attacks don't affect spirits - Kun was able to annihilate Nadd's spirit ?

One might note that we've already been through this...One might also ask when have those blasts been put up against a foe who can put up an force shield to defend against it.

Excuse me. Was Freedon Nadd a force user ? Kun seems to have blasted him out of existance. Now note that Nadd, even in his "not powerful spirit form" was capable to instakill Ommin and floor Vodo with a force attack while being on the other side of the Galaxy. Notice how that was the same Nadd who managed to defend himself against all Jedi attempts to destroy his presence on Onderon. So was Nadd capable of putting some defence up against force attacks ? Seems so. Did it help him against Kun's amulet ? Doesn't seem to be the case.

And whats to save Kun from the plethora of Dark Side powers that HE'S never heard off, ie: EVERYTHING Revan learned from Malachor, you seem to be forgetting that Kun's dark side knowledge is limited to Naads notes on shit he learned from Sadow, Sadow's notes and one Sith Holocron. Oh Wow, that compares to and I qoute "a PLANET SIZED sith training ground."

How about listing one single of that "plethora of Dark Side powers that Kun never heared off" ? The only power canonically available on Malachor is the force drain - which Kun did know. And Malachor was a storehouse of Ancient Sith knowledge. Notice how Sadow was an Ancient Sith. Notice how Kun was capable of doing far more than Revan could do with all his estimated knowledge. Notice how Kreia, who - in contrary to Revan - did spent years on Malachor still speaks about Sadow as if he was a god.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Oh you mean the same thing Aleema did to Nomi...

Some illusions are obviously not compareable to Dark Side energy capable of tearing the spirit of a force user from his body.

Luke, who had a whole few months of training under Yoda who logically didn't teach him a defense for "mundane Sith power #56" and who logically probably only taught him a defense for Force Lightining as that was Sids signature power, and what beat Yoda. And the same Luke who had a few weeks of reading Sidious books and learning a few powers, ya real powerful. Also he had KYP helping him.

You mean Luke, who in times of ROTJ (almost a decade before his confrontation with Kun) was already more powerful than Vader (who was 80 % of Sidious according to Lucas, who in turn was the most powerful Sith the Galaxy has ever seen 2 decades prior to that point) ?
Allright.

Yup Kun would just shrug this off:

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=070
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=071

Hilarious !
First: Revan on his own is as powerful as 27 force users (including Bane) combined ? (http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=8&page=066)
Second: And Kun is less powerful than untrained 5-year-old Rain ?

Very funny, IDIOT.

And Odan whose dieing words were "I'm old!" is the apex of power? Get real.

No. Malak is the apex of power. With his last words being "I'm nothing". Indeed.

Its rather irrelevant since they obviously can't/didn't enhance their speed with the force to move and at first stood there and gawked at the fight. Again, force speed, or he could simply JUMP out of the way, since Jedi are capable of jumping very large distances with the aid of the force. Other then that we have no indication of how fast they even travel.

They can move fast enough to catch Kun trying to run away from them who logically should also be able to use force speed. And those are energy beams. How fast do you think they travel ? As fast as blaster bolts maybe ? Ever seen a Jedi jumping out of the way of an already fired blaster bolt with the size of a small room ? I didn't.

Other then he SAYS he was almost destroyed, and he could BARLEY control it.

After blasting how often ? And I wonder why Kun should have any problems using them after he gained Sadow's complete knowledge. Or do you want to tell me that Sadow also was "almost destroyed" by and could "barely control" the power of his own invention. I doubt it. And notice how Kun later wears two amulets meaning he obviously did construct another one. Makes much sense, if the use indeed almost destroyed him and he still could barely control one amulet.

Are your blind? KAS'IM DID IT.

One application that he completely blocked, that obliterated a 20 story temple (not punching holes in the walls) and could turn a mans body to putty.

If he completely blocked it than how was the temple obliterated, eh ? Logic isn't your friend, right ? Kas'im obviously blocked a part of that force attack or redirected it without control - hence the temple landed on him. As you might notice Kun shoots constant beams which aren't compareable to a (rather undirected) wave of force energy.

Considering everything we've seen from force waves in the past (KOTOR games) they don't move slow and travel instantly.

Yes. We do indeed SEE force waves in KotoR. An observation that contradicts your conclusion that they hit targets instantly.

You must have missed this quote:

"But at the last possible instant he threw up a force shield to protect himself from the attack."

He had a split second to throw a shield up and it blocked an attack that FAR outshines Kun's amulet blasts, and thats from a weaker force user then Revan. You have no point.

I have no point ? As it seems you are the person here who desperately tries to compare apples to oranges to draw some random conclusions. Bane's force attack was obviously not only directed at Kas'im but as well against the temple. Hence you first would need to quantify the amount of destructive energy that was really armed at Kas'im. Enough to crush a man ? I'm pretty sure that amulet blasts with the ability instantly desintegrate Massassi (as well as burning nice holes into that Sithwyrm) are a little bit more powerful than that. But of course...the temple. You might again tell me if more power is needed to collapse a building or to instantly vaporize some nice part of the structure.

Because he did all this with the aid of Kyp Durron

Urm. No. According to the JA trilogy Kyp and Kun did attack Luke simultaneously. Kun on his own was still powerful enough to electrocute Gantoris as you might remember and the attack that ripped Luke's spirit from his body was also coming from Kun as Kun summoned that "snakes" made out of Dark Side energy personaly.

And thanks for ignoring the fact that Kun at that point was a half-mad 4,000 year old spirit who was obviously far away from his original shape.

and theres the fact that he'd have to first be able to overcome Revans defenses in the force, which seeing as Kas'im can block attacks that eclipse what Exar did, Revan logically being stronger then Kas'im in the force could do the same.

Yeah. Right. Because Kas'im is able to defend himself against some TK attack he must also be able to defend himself against Sith magic attacks coming from Kun. Against attacks that post-DE-Luke had no sufficient defence against. Of course we might ignore the fact that Revan on board of the Leviathan had not much denfence against Malak who simply put him into force stasis. If that's how far Revan's uber force defence goes I'm pretty sure he's not going to survive five seconds against Kun. And some notice: You're still comparing apples to oranges.

Revan isn't Luke who had altogether 3 months of Jedi training and 2 weeks of Sith, he has at least 18 years of Jedi training and 5 years of Sith training.

Right. Revan is not Luke "grandchild of the force" Skywalker. I don't recall Revan beating Vader who is 80 % of the "most powerful Sith ever". Correct. I also don't recall when Revan was trained by the "greatest Sith Lord in history" or the "greatest enemy the Dark Side has ever known" - Sidious and Yoda.

But of course. Training time. First I might ask where Revan ever had "Sith training". I don't recall some Sith being around to train him. Can it be that Revan is mainly self-taught. Like Luke ?

In this case your stated amount of "training" for Luke is rather incorrect. Because going by this he had a rather short amount of time training with Yoda, followed by the study of Obi-Wan's diary and then six years in which he was mainly searching for new knowledge to study. During that time he did meet people like C'Baoth, the Nightsisters (natural force users), Mara Jade (who was partitially Dark Side trained), Lumiya (and Flint) and of course Sidious. Apparently Obi-Wan's spirit also kept feeding information to Luke for a decade after ANH. And of course Luke discovered the Chu'unthor on Dathomir which was a complete Jedi Academy on board of a starship. And after that he of course had access to Sidious knowledge base, personal training form the Emperor, knowledge he discovered from Ossus, Vodo's holocron and so on and so forth.

I guess Escape had a reason for telling you that he's not entirely sure about Revan being able to defeat DE Luke. And the reason is that despite of relative short amounts of actual training Luke did constantly search for knowledge and - unless most force users - he constantly needed to apply his knowledge which made him stronger.

Following your line of thought Luke should have never been able to survive against Vader (and technically Luke did defeat him in a duel) after less than six months of actual force training. Notice how Dooku who was a prodigy and had 8 decades of experience of force use and lightsaber combat was not able to stop RotS Anakin Skywlaker with his 13 years of actual training.

Assuming that Luke learned ALL of Sidious knowledge within a few weeks is a ridicules exaggeration and is stretching facts so much that its just plain stupid.

It is ? But assuming that Revan learned everything stored in a planet size storehouse of ancient Sith knowledge in a few years is not ? Double-standarts much ? Luke says himself that he has read Sidious Dark Side Compendium. And that contained pretty much everything that Sidious knew about the Dark Side. Want to contradict Luke's own words or official canon ?

And assuming that Luke would have an accurate defense against Sith attacks by simply training with Yoda for three months which mostly consisted of learning the basics is also ridicules, hence the "Not ready are you!"

Wow. I personally recall Yoda saying that after the confrontation with Vader Luke would be a fully fledged Jedi Knight. He was not ready ? Ready for what ? I wonder what he learned in the six months between ESB and ROTJ that suddenly made him ready. And if six months are enough from "not ready to face Vader" to "able to defeat the guy who's 80 % of the most powerful Sith Lord in history" I wonder what additional 8 years of study have done to Luke then.

Revan is NOT Luke, and Exar doesn't have Kyp to back him up,

This is the living Kun. The darkest power in the Galaxy. Not his 4,000 year old half-mad spirit version who was still powerful enough to toast one of Luke's students and force choke the rest of them all together.
Without backup.

Revan alone was able to overpower a planet drenched in Dark Side energy,

No. Revan was determined enough to control his emotions and not fall to the Dark Side of Malachor instantly. Notice how Kun did walk around on Korriban without instantly succumbing to the Dark Side. Which is exactly the same if not a more impressive feat. Unless Malachor was filled with the remains and spirits of hundrets of Ancient Sith Lords.

perform force storms

KotoR force storms are just area effect force lightning. Hope you finally get that into your head.

and had knowledge that made Bane quiver in fear, beat the nearly unstoppable Malak twice, beat Bastila 5 times who without the aid of the Star Forge was able to blow back Juhani and Jolee both, then Revan fought her WITH the aid of the Star Forge boosting her powers to the point she could be struck down and rise again good as new, had Ajunta Pall creaming his pants over Revans power, decimated and Academy full of Sith. Really he's more then a match for Kun.

Wow. Feat Wars doesn't help you to win arguments, you godforsaken NOOB. Kun in his prime was the darkest power in the Galaxy. F*ck Malachor and f*ck the Star Forge, I'd say. Kun was more powerful than that as it seems. Kun was loaded with enough force energy to "make the ground tremble". Kun was powerful enough to freeze the entire senate with a handmovement. Kun was powerful enough to force drain thousands upon thousands of Massassi. What did Revan do compareable ? Defeating some people charged up by a Dark Side artifact which was not as powerful as Kun himself was as stated by the omniscient narrator.

I really wonder why Revan didn't manage to conquer the freaking republic in 5 years with all the power you want to give him where Kun waltzed into the Republic Senate and came up with dark-side powered weapons of mass destruction which would have been able to do the job on their own, if Ulic hadn't betrayed him. Really. What do you want to argue here ?

Um hmm, and who says he mastered Sith Magic? Oh yeah EXAR KUN, I guess since Anakin thinks he's a match for Yoda in AOTC is true huh? Lets not forget there's a plethora of Sith magic and powers that Kun has never even heard off ie: Malachor.

No. The obvious FACTS dictate that Kun mastered Sith Magic. And "plenthora" is now equal to "one" (force drain) - and that one was even known by Kun. Impressive. I wonder why Revan never used that powers.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
If your going to try and pull of the "nonchalant I don't give a shit" attitude you can't have previously engaged in a 7 post per response debate with me, you obviously do care

For your information: I'm a cynic. That should be explanation enough for an educated person. You better go and check some lexicon.

And I find it hilarious, that you hold the impression I can't debate when you can't even prove me wrong, you form baseless conclusions off incomplete data, resort to insults, use defeated points in debate, omit fact, exaggerate facts and you usually lack a general understanding of what the f*ck your talking about. Way to go! 😉

That's nice. Somebody whos argument are constructed of false analogies, ad hominem arguments directed against characters, a outrageous lack of common sense and logic, filled with lies, ignorance of the source material and a general lack of knowledge about the SW universe not to mention double-standarts wherever one can look...should behave like the nice little noob he is and STFU.

Exar and Maul should take this. Maul held the esteem of Dooku, which along with all other evidence I believe puts him in a position to give Anakin a hell of a time. Exar should finish Revan fairly quickly and aid Maul in killing Anakin.

Since when Vodo was, well, great? He trained students for 600 years, so what, actually there was anyone especially powerful he had trained before kun? Yes?
Second, your posts that try to show kun's lightsaber skill really missed the point, i don't know since when try to break a stick with a lightsaber with a technique ressembling more a lumberjack then a knight would make him "great" as a duelist...

Kun was descriped as completely unstoppable and the most powerful single entity in the entire Galaxy. KotoR descripes him as being so powerful that he made the ground shake while walking on it. Malak and Revan simply pale in comparison.

That's why the narrator said exar and ullic were completly even, that's why he ran from ossus without facing the cathar who scared his face forever, that's why he never did anything especially awesome.
Also, that's why a mandalorian that fought with him said Revan was the greatest warrior the galaxy had ever seen or why, 3 years after the end of the GSW Duron quel-droma, after a vision from the future and from Darth Malak himself said "Sith so POWERFUL"

Or you can stay there for 30 Minutes to see what happens. But obviously the way from the point of confrontation back to the Ebon Hawk takes more than 4 seconds not to mention the little discussion with Carth who tells Revan to run because otherwise Bastilla's sacrifice would have been useless.

So, it takes more then 4 seconds, so what? Now, since malak is much stronger then bastilla, she have to be defeated instantanly? And as far as know as soon as they started fighting you see Bastilla in great trouble. So, this proofs what exactly?
Yes Malak, lost his jaw, again i ask you what's the problem. You know, Malak have been on war for 7 years with just 1 year break, and after all these years he is the Dark Lord. Anakin didn't lost his arm? Or didn't he got a huge scar from Ventress? This makes him weak? No, because when you are in battlefield years and years without stop, it's natural that sometimes you get some scars or marks of war. At least it wasn't a cathar who can't even defeat a jedi with no connection to the force who made his mark of war...

Obviously the Jedi Council thought that sending two Jedi under the command of Padawan Bastilla would be enough to capture him as it appears from the corresponding cutscene in KotoR. I wonder how they managed to come up with that plan if Revan was indeed so damn powerful ?

Ok, which was the part of "despaired attack" that you didn't understand? The jedi were losing badly for Revan, that's why they made such act, and if Bastilla was in the strike team was due to his battle meditation, who helped the strike team to enter on his ship. Besides, who said revan wouldn't beat them all?

They can move fast enough to catch Kun trying to run away from them who logically should also be able to use force speed

Wasn't kun unable to use the force against he massasi?...

You mean Luke, who in times of ROTJ (almost a decade before his confrontation with Kun) was already more powerful than Vader (who was 80 % of Sidious according to Lucas, who in turn was the most powerful Sith the Galaxy has ever seen 2 decades prior to that point) ?

So, are you saying that:
- Luke had more power then vader?
- It was due to kun's power, and not Kyp's one, that Luke entered in coma?

How about listing one single of that "plethora of Dark Side powers that Kun never heared off" ? The only power canonically available on Malachor is the force drain - which Kun did know. And Malachor was a storehouse of Ancient Sith knowledge. Notice how Sadow was an Ancient Sith. Notice how Kun was capable of doing far more than Revan could do with all his estimated knowledge. Notice how Kreia, who - in contrary to Revan - did spent years on Malachor still speaks about Sadow as if he was a god.

First, cannonly Revan explored malachor's surface draining knowledge and getting artifacts. Anyway, i don't even know what you try to prove, cannonly it's stated for darth bane, the great, that Revan's knownledge was so great that he even know things about the force that even true sith lords shouldn't try. By the way, you accuse revan for lack of knowledge. Let me ask, did exar kun, the great sith lord, ever make a force lighting 😆?
Also, i don't remember, to see kreia worshiping sadow at all...

Excuse me. Was Freedon Nadd a force user ? Kun seems to have blasted him out of existance

Right, kun blasted a force ghost with his amulets blast. It's a shame that he couldn't do the same with the POWERFUL Aleema...

Ajunta Pall creamed his pants so much that he attacked Revan. That's what I call fear

Cannonly Revan is lightside, and canonly as a lightsider, Revan turned Adjunta Pall back to the light (even stated by kreia, for her despise, in kotor II). So, canonly Adjunta Pall was blind as hell for Revan and never attacked him. Besides, even if he did, this proves nothing since Revan blasts him to hell without amulet blasts...

Kun came up with his own dark-side-powered superweapons

Really, which ones?

constructed artifacts Revan had to search for

Which ones? Besides, even if he did it, this would make him inferior? No, just a strong desire to learn.

was capable of alter lifeforms as well as create new monstrosities.

Right, let me guess, with sith alchemy from Sadow? Impressive. This will surely give him the victory...

With apparent ease he managed to freeze the entire Senate (thousands if not tenthousands or millions of beings) and was descriped as the "darkest power in the Galaxy" despite of that remains of the Ancient Sith Empire.

So, to use force stasis in non-force users is something great... It's a shame he couldn't do the same to the other jedis around...

Really. One must wonder why Revan, who you deem to be more powerful than Kun, didn't simply freeze the entire Mandalorian Army and owned them personally, zapped their lifeforce (as Kun did to thousands of Massassi) or walked into the freaking Senate on Coruscant to declare the end of the Republic (as Kun pretty much did). Instead he had to come up with a bloody war against the Mandalorians first and then he resorted to guerilla warfare against the Republic[quote]

Then why didn't kun freeze all the republic soldiers and did the same? Let me guess, because this way Revan wouldn't be a sith anymore, it would be literally a god... lol, and as far as i know it were the massasi who, on their own will, gave kun their lifeforce. And revan didn''t started the war against the mandalorians, he just finished it. About the jedi civil war, wasn't he very close to win it when malak decided to attack his own master?

[quote]Kun was more powerful than that as it seems. Kun was loaded with enough force energy to "make the ground tremble". Kun was powerful enough to freeze the entire senate with a handmovement. Kun was powerful enough to force drain thousands upon thousands of Massassi. What did Revan do compareable ? Defeating some people charged up by a Dark Side artifact which was not as powerful as Kun himself was as stated by the omniscient narrator

Biasness at his top. So, kun was more powerful then the star forge? It was this that the narrator said 😆?

I really wonder why Revan didn't manage to conquer the freaking republic in 5 years with all the power you want to give him where Kun waltzed into the Republic Senate and came up with dark-side powered weapons of mass destruction which would have been able to do the job on their own, if Ulic hadn't betrayed him. Really. What do you want to argue here ?

That's why he was killed, he lost the war and the mandalorians were defeated. It seems that you are suggesting kun actually conquered the galaxy.

No. Revan was determined enough to control his emotions and not fall to the Dark Side of Malachor instantly. Notice how Kun did walk around on Korriban without instantly succumbing to the Dark Side. Which is [b]exactly the same[b] if not a more impressive feat. Unless Malachor was filled with the remains and spirits of hundrets of Ancient Sith Lords.

So, all the humans or siths who are or were in korriban were also exceptionally powerful individuals, since kun did the same as everybody else around...

This is the living Kun. The darkest power in the Galaxy. Not his 4,000 year old half-mad spirit version who was still powerful enough to toast one of Luke's students and force choke the rest of them all together.
Without backup.

Really, get a lfe.

course we might ignore the fact that Revan on board of the Leviathan had not much denfence against Malak who simply put him into force stasis. If that's how far Revan's uber force defence goes I'm pretty sure he's not going to survive five seconds against Kun.

So, a Revan who was being retrained since his mind was destroyed=revan at his best... Right, that's why malak was scared to death from him when had to face him and that's why he lost to him when revan had fully restore his power... Your argumentation is amusing to say the lest.

I'm pretty sure that amulet blasts with the ability instantly desintegrate Massassi (as well as burning nice holes into that Sithwyrm) are a little bit more powerful than that

Did the name Aleema ring a bell? Hmm...

Also, when anakin "enters in the zone", he matches the skill from yoda or sidious to say the least (see how he beats dooku). So he would definitly kick maul's ass. And since kun can't kill revan, or at least as easily as you suggest, they are both doom.

Right, kun blasted a force ghost with his amulets blast. It's a shame that he couldn't do the same with the POWERFUL Aleema...

Kamhal that wasnt an amulet blast or it would have dissintigrated aleema instantly. Just because it came out of the same hand doesnt logically mean its an amulet blast.

Even if it did it just merely knocked aleema out, Kun had no reason to kill her nor was he angry which would have made the blast lethal if he was

Because how the hell can it be an amulet blast if it could tear a sith wyrm and burn a hole through a massassi temple not kill a weakling whom has no defence against the amulet blast.

Kun most likely did the same technique that aleema tried to attack him with

Originally posted by kamhal
Since when Vodo was, well, great? He trained students for 600 years, so what, actually there was anyone especially powerful he had trained before kun? Yes?
Second, your posts that try to show kun's lightsaber skill really missed the point, i don't know since when try to break a stick with a lightsaber with a technique ressembling more a lumberjack then a knight would make him "great" as a duelist...

Can you actually read my post before trying to argue with me.

That's why the narrator said exar and ullic were completly even,

The narrator said that both of them were master swordsmen hence none of them was able to claim an advantage in the duel. I don't see any reference to force powers here. And even then Nadd had already declared that Ulic is "one of the greatest ones" refering to all force users of the past (so just 21,000 years). Not impressive ?

that's why he ran from ossus without facing the cathar who scared his face forever, that's why he never did anything especially awesome.

Lmao. You mean Sylvar who he effortlessly owned with a single gesture ? Right. And he never did anything awesome ? Hilarious assertion, noob.

Also, that's why a mandalorian that fought with him said Revan was the greatest warrior the galaxy had ever seen or why, 3 years after the end of the GSW Duron quel-droma, after a vision from the future and from Darth Malak himself said "Sith so POWERFUL"

Where did Canderous Ordo ever fought with Exar Kun ? The Mandalorians were Ulic's servants and we shouldn't forget that this happened 40 years before the KotoR games. How old do you think Canderous is ?

So, it takes more then 4 seconds, so what? Now, since malak is much stronger then bastilla, she have to be defeated instantanly? And as far as know as soon as they started fighting you see Bastilla in great trouble. So, this proofs what exactly?

It took Dooku 30 seconds to deal with Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi. And Malak was fighting against a Padawan. I wonder why he didn't trash her with his suggested uber-force powers and uber lightsaber mastery.

Yes Malak, lost his jaw, again i ask you what's the problem. You know, Malak have been on war for 7 years with just 1 year break, and after all these years he is the Dark Lord. Anakin didn't lost his arm? Or didn't he got a huge scar from Ventress? This makes him weak? No, because when you are in battlefield years and years without stop, it's natural that sometimes you get some scars or marks of war. At least it wasn't a cathar who can't even defeat a jedi with no connection to the force who made his mark of war...

You noticed how this "Cathar" was physically strong enough to cleave through a freaking helmet and that "Jedi with no connection to the force" happened to be one of the finest duellist the Galaxy had seen in his time ?

Ok, which was the part of "despaired attack" that you didn't understand? The jedi were losing badly for Revan, that's why they made such act, and if Bastilla was in the strike team was due to his battle meditation, who helped the strike team to enter on his ship. Besides, who said revan wouldn't beat them all?

What part of the fact that they had super powerful Jedi Masters (as suggested here) like Kavar, Vandar, Vrook etc. to do the job did you miss ? But instead of sending them they did send a Padawan.

Wasn't kun unable to use the force against he massasi?...

This is why he vaporized some of them with amulet blasts and force drained all of them in the end ?

So, are you saying that:
- Luke had more power then vader?
- It was due to kun's power, and not Kyp's one, that Luke entered in coma?

Luke definetly had more raw power than Vader. And yes...it was Kun's attack that knocked Luke out.

First, cannonly Revan explored malachor's surface draining knowledge and getting artifacts. Anyway, i don't even know what you try to prove, cannonly it's stated for darth bane, the great, that Revan's knownledge was so great that he even know things about the force that even true sith lords shouldn't try. By the way, you accuse revan for lack of knowledge. Let me ask, did exar kun, the great sith lord, ever make a force lighting 😆?
Also, i don't remember, to see kreia worshiping sadow at all...

The omniscient narrator stated that Kun is the "darkest power in the Galaxy" at a time where Malachor and the Star Forge did obviously already exist. Darth Bane is a joke compared to Exar Kun. And the DSB notes that Exar was a master of force lightning. So ?
And Kreia ? Once again: "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters." This in reference to Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos, Ajunta Pall and...Naga Sadow.

Right, kun blasted a force ghost with his amulets blast. It's a shame that he couldn't do the same with the POWERFUL Aleema...

It's a shame he actually did knock her out completely with a single Sith magic attack. Did you somehow miss that ?

Cannonly Revan is lightside, and canonly as a lightsider, Revan turned Adjunta Pall back to the light (even stated by kreia, for her despise, in kotor II). So, canonly Adjunta Pall was blind as hell for Revan and never attacked him. Besides, even if he did, this proves nothing since Revan blasts him to hell without amulet blasts...

Wow. I remember to have written that Pall was far away from "shitting his pants" (as it was suggested here) when Revan did visit his tomb and I mentioned that he was a 5,000 year old and completely insane spirit.

Really, which ones?

The Dark Reaper, obviously.

Which ones? Besides, even if he did it, this would make him inferior? No, just a strong desire to learn.

Kun constructed another Sith amulet, this aside from the Dark Reaper. This all in less than six months. I wonder what kind of knowledge Revan had coming close to Kun's understanding of the Sith teachings.

Right, let me guess, with sith alchemy from Sadow? Impressive. This will surely give him the victory...

Notice how I was just comparing Revan's knowledge base to that of Exar Kun. The mere fact that Kun came up with monstrosities and machines that kept spreading terror throughout the Galaxy for decades or even millenia after his death is a testament of his actual power.

So, to use force stasis in non-force users is something great... It's a shame he couldn't do the same to the other jedis around...

It's nice how you forgot to notice that he used in on a rather large amount of people. And aside of that: You really think that Sylvar, Nomi and Cay were the only Jedi present when Kun entered the senate ? Somehow I doubt that...This is not even mentioning the fact that Revan never did show anything compareable to that.

Biasness at his top. So, kun was more powerful then the star forge? It was this that the narrator said 😆?

Give me your personal interpretation of the term "darkest power in the galaxy". Since when was the SF "powerful" in any way when refering to Dark Side power ?

That's why he was killed, he lost the war and the mandalorians were defeated. It seems that you are suggesting kun actually conquered the galaxy.

Urm. You notice that Kun was capable of marching right into the Republic Senate and declare the end of said Republic after six months of war. That's a point Revan never reached despite of the fact that he was waging war against the Republic for almost five years. So again I can only ask: What is it, you want to argue ? That Revan did better against the Republic than Kun ? Obviously not. That Revan has shown us more power than Kun ? Obviously not. So what ?

So, all the humans or siths who are or were in korriban were also exceptionally powerful individuals, since kun did the same as everybody else around...

Excuse me. If Malachor is such a dangerous place because of some Sith knowledge stored there, how much more powerful must the Dark Side be on Korriban, the planet which hosts the spirit of all Sith Lords and some rather powerful Dark Side artifacts. And by the way: How many people did you see entering Korriban and return without falling to the Dark Side or being killed ?

Really, get a lfe.

Go get a brain.

So, a Revan who was being retrained since his mind was destroyed=revan at his best... Right, that's why malak was scared to death from him when had to face him and that's why he lost to him when revan had fully restore his power... Your argumentation is amusing to say the lest.

You argumentation is just sad because your wasting all that precious space with your idiotic nonsens. Did Malak freeze Revan on the spot ? Yes or No ? Yes ? Hell...

Did the name Aleema ring a bell? Hmm...

Did you notice how Kun was not using his amulet against Aleema ? But instead some blast of Sith magic like he pretty much says himself...

Also, when anakin "enters in the zone", he matches the skill from yoda or sidious to say the least (see how he beats dooku). So he would definitly kick maul's ass. And since kun can't kill revan, or at least as easily as you suggest, they are both doom.

Right. According to Lucas Anakin was not able to take it up with Sidious since only Mace and Yoda were able to do that job. Maul almost killed Sidious once. So Anakin would definetly not kick Maul's ass. He would most likely win that fight but not fast enough to help Revan against Kun.

Oh good lord not this again Nai. Exar Kun had 6 months to a year max to learn certain teachings from Sadow. Mind you, only Sadow, because he didn't pillage and plunder Korriban. Revan learned VARIOUS ancient sith techniques by PLUNDERING Korriban, by PLUNDERING Malachor V, and finding the Rakata. Sorry Nai but in terms of Darkside knowledge, Revan is miles ahead of Kun.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh good lord not this again Nai. Exar Kun had 6 months to a year max to learn certain teachings from Sadow. Mind you, only Sadow, because he didn't pillage and plunder Korriban. Revan learned VARIOUS ancient sith techniques by PLUNDERING Korriban, by PLUNDERING Malachor V, and finding the Rakata. Sorry Nai but in terms of Darkside knowledge, Revan is miles ahead of Kun.

Oh right.
Give me a list of what he canonically got from Korriban and Malachor V. After this you can give me some the source where he displayed his uber force knowledge.

Oh wait.
We saw what Revan did find on Korriban and I can't remember where he found anything that would have increased his knowledge about the Dark Side. So I guess we can pretty much leave Korriban out here.

And Malachor ? Let's see. Canonically the only technique ever taught there was the force drain. Of course. It was a "storehouse of Ancient Sith knowledge". A storehouse that did include what exactly ?

Really.
What about coming up with something to substantiate your ideas instead of throwing the same bullshit at me again and again. What I see in the source material is Kun coming up with all kind of nasty new Dark Side powers, Sith magic attacks and Sith Alchemy devices / monstrosities while Revan's display of Dark Side knowledge is limited to roasting some aliens who can't use the force with some area-effect-force-lightning. F*cking impressive.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh right.
Give me a list of what he canonically got from Korriban and Malachor V. After this you can give me some the source where he displayed his uber force knowledge.

[qute]Oh wait.
We saw what Revan did find on Korriban and I can't remember where he found anything that would have increased his knowledge about the Dark Side. So I guess we can pretty much leave Korriban out here.[/quote]
Hmm yes, except for the fact that Korriban corrupted him and revealed the Star Forge to him. Except the fact that he plundered the tombs, and had his sith minions plunder the tombs. You're right, Revan had all of this knowledge and all of these opportunities under his belt but he didn't use them.

And Malachor ? Let's see. Canonically the only technique ever taught there was the force drain. Of course. It was a "storehouse of Ancient Sith knowledge". A storehouse that did include what exactly ?

Really.
What about coming up with something to substantiate your ideas instead of throwing the same bullshit at me again and again. What I see in the source material is Kun coming up with all kind of nasty new Dark Side powers, Sith magic attacks and Sith Alchemy devices / monstrosities while Revan's display of Dark Side knowledge is limited to roasting some aliens who can't use the force with some area-effect-force-lightning. F*cking impressive. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Gee I don't know, the force storm, the thought bomb. He plundered a planet full of secrets, you know the same planet that gave Nihilus his force drain, that gave Traya hers? POD stated that Revan learned a LOT of the ancient sith techniques. Kun specialized in sith magic and alchemy because he learned from Sadow and ONLY from Sadow. Revan's knowledge>Kuns. And when's the last time we needed someone to display their power or uber force knowledge to be more powerful? That's like saying Sidious is stronger than Luke because his feat of the force storm might have been more impressive than anything Luke has done. Or hell, Jacen's flow walk.

I have to say this is really hilarious.
I ask you to substantiate your ideas and list something that Revan learned besides the force drain, which was also known to Kun. What do you do ? Come back to me with the freaking force drain. Braindead much ?

Sadow had access to all knowledge in the time of the Ancient Sith since he was an ancient Sith. What can a "storehouse of Ancient Sith teachings" offer, that the second most powerful guy in the "Golden Age" of the Ancient Sith Empire can't ? It's getting boring to repeat that question over and over again. Really. Especially since you're obviously not able to answer it and come back to me every time with "the force drain".

Hmm yes, except for the fact that Korriban corrupted him and revealed the Star Forge to him. Except the fact that he plundered the tombs, and had his sith minions plunder the tombs. You're right, Revan had all of this knowledge and all of these opportunities under his belt but he didn't use them.

Wow. More braindead bullshit from Darth Stupidity.
Korriban revealed the Star Forge to him. Oh...and that gave him Dark Side knowledge how exactly ? He plundered the tombs of the Sith Lords and found some nice gimmics. That gave him knowledge how exactly ? And his minions plundered what ? The same tombs that Revan plundered ? Urm...yeah.

Oh that's cute Nai, playing the ambiguity card. A storehouse of ancient sith knowledge means exactly what it says. Ancient Sith Knowledge. Revan's dark side and ancient sith knowledge>>>>>>>KUn's.

Wow. Would you descripe a pyramid as a "storehouse of knowledge about Ancient Egypt" ? Yes ? Can it be that a Pharao who lived in that time would still have more knowledge about that time than somebody who discovered a pyramid and managed to read anything written inside of it ? Hell...must be hard to use some freaking common sense. I wonder what a planet-size storehouse is good for if Sidious could write down all Dark Side knowledge available in the SW universe in three f*cking books and Revan was capable of forging it (uber abilities) into one freaking holocron (which Bane later discovered). Yeah. That makes so much sense. In fact it makes as much sense as saying Revan > Kun because of...urm...you still have shown me nothing to substantiate your personal opinion. Must be hard to actually come up with some argument instead of compiling texts out of bullshit and nonsense.

I don't need to come up with any more ideas, because you'll just throw your pathetic ambiguity card at me. There's nothing at all to suggest that Kun knew more than Revan, especially because Kun only learned from Sadow.

Yes. The same Sadow which, according to Kreia, belonged to a group of people that would wipe the floor with the KotoR-era epitomes of power. That same Sadow who lived in the time the knowledge on Malachor V, that storehouse of Ancient Sith knowledge, did come from. The same Sadow who was the second most powerful guy around in an Empire filled with Dark Side users at the "Golden Age" of said Empire. One doesn't need to be a genious to figure out that Sadow might be able to offer a larger amount of more valueable knowledge. Which is proven by the fact that Kun was obviously able to come up with all sorts of things that Revan couldn't even imagine in his wet, wannabe Sith Lord dreams.

You're basically arguing that Revan went to Korriban, THE Sith base, and learned nothing, which is as ignorant as you can possibly get.

You're talking about the same "Sith base" that Kun personally ran through with learning nothing as you want to suggest ? The same "Sith Base" that had sealed tombs that nobody did set one food in before the events shown in the KotoR games and that - as we see in said games - Revan did gather no knowledge from. Who is ignorant here ? As it seems...you...who simply ignores facts.

Furthermore, you're also arguing that we don't know what he learned from Malachor, except ancient sith knowledge, and the knowledge that made Nihilus and Traya unstoppable.

Nihilus and Traya were unstoppable ? Does "Jedi Exile" ring a bell ? And it just took all the Jedi in the freaking Galaxy to stop Kun - oh wait...not even that really "stopped" him.

Please tell me what new powers Kun created, that didn't come from the sith magic or sith alchemy? Kun's knowledge is just that, sith magic and sith alchemy. Revan knew ancient sith techniques that made the BOD shit their pants. Please, Kun has nothing on him.

Wow. Revan made people shit their pants that needed around 30 people to come up with a force attack (force storm) that DE Sidious was capable of creating on a wider scale by snapping his fingers ? Damn impressive, dude. I wonder how this is compareable to Kun's creations who made the PT Jedi Order (Dark Reaper) "shit their pants". I wonder what Revan had compareable to zap the life-force from tenthousands of beings, kill Jedi on the spot, freeze thousands of people and WHY THE HELL he never resorted to actually using it when he was in desperate need to do so multiple times ? Why didn't he even come remotely close to archieve what Kun did archieve while he had 10 times as much time to do so.

Again...I don't see any answer but just your meaningless comments on how uber Revan was. Wake up, KotoR fanboy.