Hulk vs. Astonishing X-Men

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Nice counter!

1. Comicvine is usually inaccurate and misses appearances.

Who cares about maybe one or two missing issues. The point was that X-Men is a really really large book with many characters, forgetting the capabilities of one character who's made about 19 appearances out of 600 or so books doesn't make you less qualified on the subject

3. In case it still doesn't get through, a thunderclap is not high frequency sound.

Despite it being said to in the comics! Good arguing!

I'm quite certain I can find reference to the fact that Shadowcat phases through matter the conduit for mechanical sound waves making that redundant anyway. And as to talking, people talk in space in comics.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where was it stated that when Hulk claps his hands he creates high frequency/ultrasonic sound that renders people unconscious?

The very Hyperion fight I'm referencing, the fact that you didn't know this makes you unqualified to further talk about the Hulk in any versus topics.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
The very Hyperion fight I'm referencing, the fact that you didn't know this makes you unqualified to further talk about the Hulk in any versus topics.

Giant Sized Defenders #4
IH 398
ASM 382

It takes Emma a second to mindwipe him. This shouldn't even be a contest.

Not counting lockheed in this fight is pretty dumb... at the very least lockheed will be using ranged attacks and pretty much being a nuisance, keeping the hulk distracted...

shadowcat isn't going down to a thunderclap, she has taken ALOT worse...

i'm just repeating what x-marks said, but it had to be done...

Another "Huc" thing? What is thunderclap? Air pressure wave, which is more than enough to knock people out\damage their eardrums/etc. No ultrasonic component AFAIK.

It requires AIR. Kitty phases through the air easily...If she keeps Emma safe for period of time long enough to do the job, girls' tag-team takes "Huc" while he entertains himself by punching Canadian regenerating punching bag called Wolverine.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Another "Huc" thing? What is thunderclap? Air pressure wave, which is more than enough to knock people out\damage their eardrums/etc. No ultrasonic component AFAIK.

It requires AIR. Kitty phases through the air easily...If she keeps Emma safe for period of time long enough to do the job, girls' tag-team takes "Huc" while he entertains himself by punching Canadian regenerating punching bag called Wolverine.

I'm pretty sure Cyclops will back up Wolverine as well.

If they need more time, there's Colossus and Armor.

all emma has to do is fill his head with images of him with betty ross getting up to many types of mischief... if that doesn't put him in a good mood and calm him down nothing will...

hulk reverts to banner, any one of the x-men (yes, even lockheed, or the supposedly, but not really scared armour) takes him down...

IH #398. Hulk performs a thunderclap. And?
ASM #382. A "shock wave" ensues, i.e. a pressure rise as a result of propagating sonic boom, causes Spider-Man to have impaired balance by affecting his very tangible inner ear.
GSD #4 Again "shock waves" due to a sonic boom effect. Not high frequency sound. The vibrations send Hyperion reeling and shatter windows. Vibrations through which Shadowcat can phase.

I'm sorry where's this on panel reference to magical emission in high frequency/ultrasonic range akin to Banshee or Nimrod?

As explained above by Charlotte DeBel for like the fourth time - air pressure wave. Shadowcat phases air.

Okay so Hyperion's ear drums are powerful enough to withstand sonicbooms from going escape velocity but not a thunderclaps? He was knocked out by the sound (hence grabbing his head), not the force, which should be scraps to him.

And Armor smells the foul stench of rookie, she'd go nuts if she had to take down a PO'd Hulk.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Okay so Hyperion's ear drums are powerful enough to withstand sonicbooms from going escape velocity but not a thunderclaps? He was knocked out by the sound, not the force, which should be scraps to him.

And Armor smells the foul stench of rookie, she'd go nuts if she had to take down a PO'd Hulk.

the x-kids train against the hulk in the danger room... it wouldn't be anything new to her...

when ord showed up at the x-mansion, she didn't hesitate to go toe to toe with him...

Nowhere does it say anything of any "high frequency sonic attack" you claim occurred. A thunderclap is a pressure wave. Sound is mechanical energy, it needs a medium to propagate through. Shadowcat phases through matter and energy.

Who cares about Armor.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Shadowcat and Emma Frost ftw.

Originally posted by pr1983
the x-kids train against the hulk in the danger room... it wouldn't be anything new to her...

Training Sim =/= real thing. Didn't in that very same comic they say Hulk is the one program that's impossible to come close to replicating thanks to unpredictability?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nowhere does it say anything of any "high frequency sonic attack" you claim occurred. Sound is mechanical energy, it needs a medium to propagate through. Shadowcat phases through matter and energy.

Who cares about Armor.

Explain how someone like Hyperion is downed by a Sonic boom attack and grabs his ears in pain over something as simple.

Shadowcat also still hears in a fully phased state.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Training Sim =/= real thing. Didn't in that very same comic they say Hulk is the one program that's impossible to come close to replicating thanks to unpredictability?

and yet, its those same programs that trained dozens of x-men, enabling them to go up against the magneto's and the juggernaut's of the world...

and shadowcat will phase through, that's just how her powers work... if they didn't, she wouldnt have survived the kinds of things she has...

Team for the win, between Emma's Tp, Kitty's phasing, Wolverines damage soak and Cyclops' long range the team shouldn't have to much trouble, unless they toy with him at first and get him really mad where not alot would effect him.

Anyway team 9/10

It is sonic waves, seeing as he used it on Wolverine as well, and it was hell due to his enhanced hearing.

Doesn't matter though, they would still win. Emma can easily remove the pain with telepathy, it barely takes her a second. She's done it before, don't even bother arguing on that.

Hulk's minor telepathic resistance won't save him from Emma. Not by a long shot.

PIS? Like Hulk "thunderclapping the fabric of reality" or some sh*t like that.
And air pressure wave from going escape velocity is another funny aspect of comics book physics. Air pressure wave works just fine in case of things like thunderclaps, but heroes with NO superhuman durability fly on supersonic speeds without getting damaged with it. Or in case of Human Torch's supernova- by emitting heat like that, he would be cruched by air pressure wave (he'd burn air around himself, so ambient air rushes into "free space" with pressure enough to cruch human flesh and bones) And by the way, that side effect of high temperatures is underestimated in comics- one of few desent showings of it is...Ghost Rider knocking out your precious "Huc" by burning the air around his head- Hulk passes out both because of lack of oxygen and being hit with pressure wave.
And AFAIR, Lockheed is firebreathing dragon... So it's possible for him to repeat that feat with burning the air round Hulk's head...at least to distract green giant enough for Emma to calm him the f*ck down.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Explain how someone like Hyperion is downed by a Sonic boom attack and grabs his ears in pain over something as simple.

Shadowcat also still hears in a fully phased state.

And people talk and hear in space. So? That doesn't change that she phases through matter and energy. She phases through comparable decibels. She phases through comparable force. A thunder clap is a pressure wave. And she phases through comparable pressure.

She phases Emma. Emma mind****s Hulk.