Superman Prime vs Trion Juggernaut

Originally posted by Galan007
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First of all, we don't know what powers Prime gave to S1M.

However, I'm sure he could take those powers away,

But S1M would still have his Imp-like powers [as those were not given to him by Primey].

S1M stated that his powers in effect, come from the Super-sun. It was also stated that Prime can revoke his gifts as well. That's 2 strikes already.

3rd is that S1M is 1 in a whole dynasty powered by Prime. Comparing 1M to Prime is like saying SS is on the same level as Galactus.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Prime still has a weakness to magic.... Absolutely. 🙂

Prime hasn't been stated to have any weakness...and even the powers he gives are beyond any meta ever... that includes even ridiculously overpowered magicians.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
S1M stated that his powers in effect, come from the Super-sun. It was also stated that Prime can revoke his gifts as well. That's 2 strikes already.

When did he do anything like that?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
3rd is that S1M is 1 in a whole dynasty powered by Prime. Comparing 1M to Prime is like saying SS is on the same level as Galactus.

Just said S1M's feats are FAR greater. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Prime hasn't been stated to have any weakness...and even the powers he gives are beyond any meta ever... that includes even ridiculously overpowered magicians.

but does that make him immune to magic? ❌

Originally posted by Galan007
So Prime can take away powers that he didn't give in the first place?

When did he do anything like that?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
S1M stated that his powers in effect, come from the Super-sun.It was also stated that Prime can revoke his gifts as well. That's 2 strikes already.

Originally posted by Galan007
I never compared them.

Just said S1M's feats are FAR greater. 🙂

Add most of what our own Superman has done, multiply that power by an unknown extent, add in the fact that S1M and a dynasty of Supermen gets their powers from Prime and I would say that's not too shabby.

Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus can endow beings with ridiculous powers as well, but does that make him immune to magic?

Was it stated on panel that Prime is susceptible to magic? If so...do show.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Add most of what our own Superman has done, multiply that power by an unknown extent, add in the fact that S1M and a dynasty of Supermen gets their powers from Prime and I would say that's not too shabby.

Because if so, Primes hype >>> his showings.

So tell me now what you're debating, because then I'll know if I should just stop. 😬

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Was it stated on panel that Prime is susceptible to magic? If so...do show.

Well was it stated/shown that he was not immune to magic?

Since magic has always been a major vulnerability of his, my assumption that such a weakness still exists has a far greater basis behind it. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
So you're going by statements rather then showings?

Because if so, Primes hype >>> his showings.

So tell me now what you're debating, because then I'll know if I should just stop. 😬
Now you want panel showings??? 😕

If this is the case...then why are you ASSUMING below?

Originally posted by Galan007
Since magic has always been a major vulnerability of his, my assumption that such a weakness still exists has a far greater basis behind it. 🙂

So you detest "hype" but it's perfectly acceptable to assume?

You can't have both...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If this is the case...then why are you ASSUMING below?

So you detest "hype" but it's perfectly acceptable to assume?

Remember,

I never said Prime does have such a weakness, I just said it's absolutely possible. 🙂

And for the record, I don't detest hype.

I just don't think it's fair to use hype against another character with actual feats. 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
My "assumption" that Prime may still have a magic weakness is extremely plausible, [as it has ALWAYS been a major weakness of his].

Remember,

I never said Prime does have such a weakness, I just said it's absolutely possible. 🙂

And for the record, I don't detest hype.

I just don't think it's fair to use hype against another character with actual feats. 😬

Then the whole battle would be "inconclusive" then, wouldn't it? 😉

As for my statement about S1M getting his powers from the Super-sun...here is the scan.

Notice all his powers are fading..not just select ones given by Prime.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then the whole battle would be "inconclusive" then, wouldn't it? 😉

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Notice [b]allhis powers are fading..not just select ones given by Prime. [/B]

So if he could "barely fly" at the beginning of that issue [which is where that scan is from], then how were these feats still accomplished? hmm

edit.

Originally posted by Galan007
A battle between whom? [We've kind of wavered off-topic here]. 😂
Yet S1M still accomplished insane feats throughout that entire issue. 😉

S1M is awesome , that's why. 🙂

I asked earlier for Trion's feats, but so far, haven't seen anything either. 🙁

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
S1M is awesome , that's why. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I asked earlier for Trion's feats, but so far, haven't seen anything either. 🙁

But he busted through dimension after dimension physically, and was also said to be equal to Cytorrak. srug

Originally posted by Galan007
Good man! 😄

💃 He was more fun than SBP, and seemed to be as powerful.

Originally posted by Galan007
He pretty much did just as much as Primey, [so not much at all]. 😂

But he busted through dimension after dimension physically, and was also said to be equal to Cytorrak. srug

That's what I figured. What has been shown of Trion is basically comparable to that S1M did while weak.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
💃 He was more fun than SBP, and seemed to be as powerful.

S1M is one of my favorite characters ever!

He's the Superman's Superman IMO. 😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's what I figured. What has been shown of Trion is basically comparable to that S1M did while weak.

Aside from being stated as Cytorrak's equal, he didn't actually do much.