Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm works with electrical energies on a scale that could power the US for months, if not years, on a regular basis when she's creating her hurricanes and such.
http://geoimages.berkeley.edu/wwp905/html/MilkoAmorth.html
Try reading that. Also, in numerous books I have read over the years, it has been stated that hurricanes generate enough energy to power the US for six months. Storm can generate storms much more powerful than real life hurricanes and her reach is far greater than any hurricane as she can reach all around the planet for her resources. She basically has the resources of the entire planet at her beck and call.
Here is something else to read:
Originally posted by quickshot
Doesn't Absorbing electricity mash up Storms spinal cord and Jennys infinite electricity, Storm would be paralysed before she took all of Jenny.
It does not. You are thinking about X-Treme X-Men. In those instances, Viper had slashed the part of Storm's spinal chord that affects a person's mutant power or something or other. Anyway, she hit this point on Ororo and it weakened Storm. She then vulernerable to lightning and all as we saw when she tried to bring down the lightning on Khan's harem.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm can generate storms much more powerful than real life hurricanes
Umm 😬 it says here in the New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update #1 that she "cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her environment." Therefore the power of her Hurricanes on Earth are equivalent to those that exist naturally on Earth.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Umm 😬 it says here in the New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update #1 that she "cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her environment." Therefore the power of her Hurricanes on Earth are equivalent to those that exist naturally on Earth.
You are misinterpreting it. What the Official Handbook is basically saying is that Storm is limited to the resources on Earth. In other words, if there is a potential to generate a hurricane greater than real life, she can do it. Hence she's been able to generate fields of pressure on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter and generate winds far more powerful than any real life hurricane or tornado. In other words, there may be the resources on Earth to generate say, a thousand mph wind. However, in real life, the probability of that happening is so rare that we don't see it. Storm, however, can bring those resources together. This leaves the writer a great deal of artistic license to make her winds however strong they want to make them hence she has done things many times over to demonstrate this.
If you will notice, they finally took out that 300 mph flight for Storm as it was totally ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You are misinterpreting it. What the Official Handbook is basically saying is that Storm is limited to the resources on Earth. In other words, if there is a potential to generate a hurricane greater than real life, she can do it. Hence she's been able to generate fields of pressure on Earth greater than the surface of Jupiter and generate winds far more powerful than any real life hurricane or tornado. In other words, there may be the resources on Earth to generate say, a thousand mph wind. However, in real life, the probability of that happening is so rare that we don't see it. Storm, however, can bring those resources together. This leaves the writer a great deal of artistic license to make her winds however strong they want to make them hence she has done things many times over to demonstrate this.If you will notice, they finally took out that 300 mph flight for Storm as it was totally ridiculous.
It says "Storm cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her enviroment". How can anyone misinterpret it?
What you're forgetting is that Pressures greater then the surface of Jupiter DO occur naturally on Earth. The pressure inside the Earths crust, mantle, core etc...is greater then the surface of Jupiter.
You have yet to show on panel proof of her creating winds more powerful then 300mph. And since winds on Earth do not reach speeds of up to 300mph I think it's safe to say that she can't create winds more powerful then 300mph on Earth. Becuase A.) She hasn't shown it...and B.) It's been stated that she can't because winds greater then 300mph do not occur naturally in the Earths atmosphere.
As for the the removal of the 300mph cap on Storms winds you'll notice that it was omitted because this line:
"Storm cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her enviroment"
Basically says the same thing.
When posting a speed feat you usually looking for something on the lines of this:
With an actual sense of time and distance. It has a sense of distance and time. In the feats you're using there is no sense of time or distance or wind speed. Therefore it's all your speculation. Who's to say that winds less then 300mph can't hold a skyscraper still? And that feat from Schism has no sense of Distance(As in you don't know how far the Mansion from The X-Treme Headquarters is or the Time it takes for Storm to travel that distance.
Anyway I don't think I need to convince you....I'm just putting the scans out there...and allow people to thing and make decisions for themselves. It's better that way IMO.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It says "Storm cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her enviroment". How can anyone misinterpret it?What you're forgetting is that Pressures greater then the surface of Jupiter DO occur naturally on Earth. The pressure inside the Earths crust, mantle, core etc...is greater then the surface of Jupiter.
You have yet to show on panel proof of her creating winds more powerful then 300mph. And since winds on Earth do not reach speeds of up to 300mph I think it's safe to say that she can't create winds more powerful then 300mph on Earth. Becuase A.) She hasn't shown it...and B.) It's been stated that she can't because winds greater then 300mph do not occur naturally in the Earths atmosphere.
As for the the removal of the 300mph cap on Storms winds you'll notice that it was omitted because this line:
"Storm cannot create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally in her enviroment"
Basically says the same thing.
When posting a speed feat you usually looking for something on the lines of this:
With an actual sense of time and distance. It has a sense of distance and time. In the feats you're using there is no sense of time or distance or wind speed. Therefore it's all your speculation. Who's to say that winds less then 300mph can't hold a skyscraper still? And that feat from Schism has no sense of Distance(As in you don't know how far the Mansion from The X-Treme Headquarters is or the Time it takes for Storm to travel that distance.
Anyway I don't think I need to convince you....I'm just putting the scans out there...and allow people to thing and make decisions for themselves. It's better that way IMO.
Ororo did not hold that skyscraper still. She lifted it. Did you not notice that she was flying in the air with the building above her on a pillar of wind? In "Schism," she flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes. That was not an 8-10 hour flight given what was going on in the story. Emma was walking around in her astral form. This means all of what she accomplished was going on at the speed of thought. Bishop and Sage were not lolligagging around and they know their way around the mansion. They confronted Emma and by the time they threw her out of the building, Storm had arrived. She also flew from Australia to the Savage Land in antarctica in no time flat.
Not only this, there is the whole issue where Storm knocked down Magneto's force-field and where she redirected the full power of Siena Blaze, etc.
Storm can generate winds much greater than real life winds (and she has on numerous occassions) and it would still not violate what was printed in the source you gave. That comment about not going beyond what can occur naturally on Earth has been printed in every official handbook I have read about the character including the 300 mph thing. Its something how they took it out in this one where the bio is also more comprehensive than any previous bio written. For instance, we finally see them state that she can control the solar winds. She channelled all of that steller energy in 165 (this just came up over the last 2 years in the Handbooks).
The fact is, you are trying to tie Storm's winds down to a 300 mph limit so you can disregard her higher power stunts. This covers you in future debates because rather than having to combat a character withstanding the tremendous amounts of forces Ororo has generated with her winds, you would try and just prove they can withstand forces greater than 300 mph winds. Its not going to work. Sorry.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
😆 my ass off @ winds not eqaul to, but LESS than 300mph holding up a SKYSCRAPER. And again I laugh 😆Give the character her DUE already!!
Tell me about it. I have never seen such desperate tactics from anybody. I remember in the Storm vs. Hulk thread where he tried so hard to prove that Storm could not control the cosmic winds despite she had done it in canon. He pulled up the Classic X-Men issue complimenting issue of Uncanny 99 where the instance was rewritten by the writer and totally wanted to ignore the classic equal to Uncanny 164 where it was written back into the character. Then I beat him over the head big time with this issue of the Official Handbook that just came out that gave her the power again. Then he tried to debate that because Storm had the ability to evolve into a real goddess did not mean that she could wield unlimited power. He then tried to argue that her ability to transcend humanity was a statement not only for her, but for other mutants as well and then totally wanted to ignore the fact that her powers are limited only by the force of her will and strength of her body. In other words, if she transcends humanity (which in Storm's case, it was stated that she would become a true goddess), it would nullify that weakness. As Roguestorm, we saw her beginning to evolve and her powers were stated to be near-infinite. The issue also stated that she finally knew how Jean Grey felt as Phoenix to be tempted by ultimate power as Storm was as well tempted by ultimate power. However, she turned it down unlike Dark Phoenix (who's powers were near infinite at the time of her demise) who died before she could actually reach it.
Now he is trying again to come up with the most LUDICROUS comments imaginable to try and limit the force of Ororo's winds which would ignore a great deal of her power showings. For instance, Magneto, while stunned, was VERY easily able to withstand the combined powers of Cyclops, Wolverine and Colossus, yet Storm's winds taxed his powers greatly. I mean, the list just goes on and on.
Storm isn't absorbing anything. Jenny's control of electricity makes Storm look like a retarded toddler.
Nothing Storm can do will harm Jenny at all in her electric form.
She is electricity.
She owns electricity.
It's her plaything.
She can just subtract the electricity from Storm's brain killing her instantly - as stated she can do on panel and not some bullshit speculation. And Jenny does kill. She's been doing it for a hundred years. The only way Storm would beat her is if they fought at 1 second to midnight on New Year's Eve 1999 - but for the purposes of the forum fight I'm assuming Jenny's allowed to be alive for her fight.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm isn't absorbing anything. Jenny's control of electricity makes Storm look like a retarded toddler.Nothing Storm can do will harm Jenny at all in her electric form.
She is electricity.
She owns electricity.
It's her plaything.She can just subtract the electricity from Storm's brain killing her instantly. And Jenny does kill. She's been doing it for a hundred years.
I disagree with you here. I don't think Jenny has more control over Storm in electricity at all. I think that she may have more stunts with it being her only power and Storm having many powers, but Storm's control is just as good if not better.
First off, Storm controls the forces behind the weather. This includes electrical and magnetic fields, heat, pressure gradiates, moisture, gravity (Surprise! No wonder Storm can also bend space to her will. 😄), etc.
When she is playing with the weather, she is playing with these forces and she plays with them on a major scale too. Blitzkrieg trapped her in a cage made up of electricity. Though we have not seen Storm apply her control in this manner, she was able to disperse it with a thought. We've seen her pull electricity out of electromagnetic fields (including planetary EM fields), fly on a bolt of lightning, manifest clothing out of thin air by manipulating electrons, break down water into hydrogen and oxygen in a roomfull of bad guys and X-Men while having the control over the electrical current to not electrocute anyone. Jenny is not taking anyting out of Storm's brain.
The fact is unless you can show me Jenny pulling some global or cosmic stunts, Storm can outpower her.
Originally posted by Rutog98I'm seeing a lot of blah blah speculation and hyping of Storm with irrelevant information about her "power output." with one-off SvFL powers like making clothes and not a lot of anything, not anything actually, that would actually allow Storm to win.
I disagree with you here. I don't think Jenny has more control over Storm in electricity at all. I think that she may have more stunts with it being her only power and Storm having many powers, but Storm's control is just as good if not better.First off, Storm controls the forces behind the weather. This includes electrical and magnetic fields, heat, pressure gradiates, moisture, gravity (Surprise! No wonder Storm can also bend space to her will. 😄), etc.
When she is playing with the weather, she is playing with these forces and she plays with them on a major scale too. Blitzkrieg trapped her in a cage made up of electricity. Though we have not seen Storm apply her control in this manner, she was able to disperse it with a thought. We've seen her pull electricity out of electromagnetic fields (including planetary EM fields), fly on a bolt of lightning, manifest clothing out of thin air by manipulating electrons, break down water into hydrogen and oxygen in a roomfull of bad guys and X-Men while having the control over the electrical current to not electrocute anyone. Jenny is not taking anyting out of Storm's brain.
The fact is unless you can show me Jenny pulling some global or cosmic stunts, Storm can outpower her.
I very much doubt you've read a single issue of The Authority, Stormwatch or her mini; that in addition to the fact that you refuse to believe Storm can lose to nary anyone below Silver Surfer makes it a relatively pointless endeavor to try and convince you otherwise.
Bored now. Feel free to keep raving like a lunatic.
I gotta go with Storm.
Storm deals in electricity(sub-atomic particles) on a LAAAARGER scale than Jenny than at leisure.
I wonder if storm can affect the atmospheric ionization enough to inhibit Jenny's powers then use her other powers on her. hmmmmmmm
Storm did Electrolysis in WATER, creating oxygen without electrocuting anyone. That shows some fine control over Ions.
😆. Im just readin a few articles about how storms are created and all the factors involved with regard to the Earth's electrical feilds, Ionosphere, magnetosphere etc.
If storm infact controls, and is connected with all of THAT, at ALL times, then she makes this Jenny chick look like a goddamn firecracker 😆
Jenny's powers are dependent on the Earth's natural electrical feilds right??? 😆
She's SCREWED!
Just a simple cloud formation requires so much electromagnetic polarity and all this other stuff.
I say storm can proabably mess with the Earth's atmospheric Ionization.
That seems WELL within her powers.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
😆. Im just readin a few articles about how storms are created and all the factors involved with regard to the Earth's electrical feilds, Ionosphere, magnetosphere etc.If storm infact controls, and is connected with all of THAT, at ALL times, then she makes this Jenny chick look like a goddamn firecracker 😆
Jenny's powers are dependent on the Earth's natural electrical feilds right??? 😆
She's SCREWED!
Just a simple cloud formation requires so much electromagnetic polarity and all this other stuff.
I say storm can proabably mess with the Earth's atmospheric Ionization.
That seems WELL within her powers.
Until you show a scan of her doing that on panel, it's stupid.
You fail.
Insert quarter and try again.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
😆. Im just readin a few articles about how storms are created and all the factors involved with regard to the Earth's electrical feilds, Ionosphere, magnetosphere etc.If storm infact controls, and is connected with all of THAT, at ALL times, then she makes this Jenny chick look like a goddamn firecracker 😆
Jenny's powers are dependent on the Earth's natural electrical feilds right??? 😆
She's SCREWED!
Just a simple cloud formation requires so much electromagnetic polarity and all this other stuff.
I say storm can proabably mess with the Earth's atmospheric Ionization.
That seems WELL within her powers.
She can tap into the electrical potential energy of the planet and manipulate the planet's electrical impuses.
Honestly, Storm is playing with all of this stuff all the time that you mentioned.
Some of theses people's whole basis for these people's arguments against Storm is to negate the forces she munipulates to create weather phenomena. They just know that she does it without actually delving into HOW she actually does it. To do so, makes her a wee bit more powerful than people like to admit.
I can clearly see how Storm's powers can be expanded only really limited by ones imagination.
Fact is, you can't admit the fact that storm controls the weather through her own mutant, psionic will(not magic), yet in the same breath, negate the fact that with this same will, she controls the most fundemental forces in the universe, not just one force, but in CONCERT.
You just CAN'T do it guys.😖mart:
Originally posted by Rutog98
She can tap into the electrical potential energy of the planet and manipulate the planet's electrical impuses.Honestly, Storm is playing with all of this stuff all the time that you mentioned.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Until you show a scan of her doing that on panel, it's stupid.You fail.
Insert quarter and try again.
