Originally posted by 2damnloud
"............. the typical amount of energy expended in a single tornado funnel is equivalent to about fifty kilotons of explosives; a single thunderstorm tower exchanges about ten times this much energy during its lifetime; an Atlantic hurricane of moderate size may draw from the sea more than 1,000 megatons of energy................"
Imagine how much energy Storm was moving when she ended that hurricane that blanketed half the planet! It boggles the mind. 😉
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yes and no.She munipulates the Magnetosphere, Electrical, Ionosphere, Temperature, pressure etc. The weather effecs follow.
Water vaper is almost everpresent in the air. She can make rain by munipulating that. Humidity and temperature also come into play.
These forces have to be "mixed" intricately or they won't work. thus, Jenny and Mags cannot munipulate weather.
But she doesn't have the control over them that anyone along the lines of Thor or Magneto due.
Thus, she dies via Jenny Sparks frying her human body with human durability.
Her "full force storm" couldn't even keep Hulk down. What's it going to do to someone who can move through the EMS and fry her before she even knows what's happening?
and a storm does not have the force of a Nagasaki bomb, let alone 13 of them.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yes and no.She munipulates the Magnetosphere, Electrical, Ionosphere, Temperature, pressure etc. The weather effecs follow.
Water vaper is almost everpresent in the air. She can make rain by munipulating that. Humidity and temperature also come into play.
These forces have to be "mixed" intricately or they won't work. thus, Jenny and Mags cannot munipulate weather.
so, when it rains, is storm releasing the droplets from the clouds, or is she just creating the atmospheric conditions for rain?
I don't think mags could "control" weather like Storm could, I doubt that is the debate though. See below, because it is relevant.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Imagine how much energy Storm was moving when she ended that hurricane that blanketed half the planet! It boggles the mind. 😉
Yes, while the power Storm showed there was incredible, it is in a much more subtle way than you are expressing.
To look at a weather pattern in terms of force, is really missing the point. While there are devastating effects, it is all based on incredibly subtle variations in specific atmospheric phenomena.
You are suggesting that she is responsible for every drop of rain that a storm produces, or in the case of the above mentioned hurricane, that she literally stopped all of the rain and weather in its tracks through an act of force.
I don't necessarily think that is Storm's character. It makes more sense that she subtly changed certain atmospheric conditions (as 2damnloud listed in his post i quoted above) that resulted in the changing of large scale weather patterns. You have heard of the idea of a butterfly flapping its wings in china, its bunk, but it works allegorically. Very small and subtle changes in atmospheric conditions can have huge results, especially when measured over time (as the measures of power you posted before are).
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
But she doesn't have the control over them that anyone along the lines of Thor or Magneto due.Thus, she dies via Jenny Sparks frying her human body with human durability.
Her "full force storm" couldn't even keep Hulk down. What's it going to do to someone who can move through the EMS and fry her before she even knows what's happening?
and a storm does not have the force of a Nagasaki bomb, let alone 13 of them.
My point was that Jenny isn't shit compared to what Storm's body can compensate for hence her being in the midst of a bubbling Super-Cell and not being affected.
Thunderstorms are conduits for Earths electrical/electromagnetic energy. The energies Jenny uses would not/should not be foriegn to Storm, depends on the writer, like when Mags used her lightning against her.
Originally posted by inamilist
so, when it rains, is storm releasing the droplets from the clouds, or is she just creating the atmospheric conditions for rain?I don't think mags could "control" weather like Storm could, I doubt that is the debate though. See below, because it is relevant.
Yes, while the power Storm showed there was incredible, it is in a much more subtle way than you are expressing.
To look at a weather pattern in terms of force, is really missing the point. While there are devastating effects, it is all based on incredibly subtle variations in specific atmospheric phenomena.
You are suggesting that she is responsible for every drop of rain that a storm produces, or in the case of the above mentioned hurricane, that she literally stopped all of the rain and weather in its tracks through an act of force.
I don't necessarily think that is Storm's character. It makes more sense that she subtly changed certain atmospheric conditions (as 2damnloud listed in his post i quoted above) that resulted in the changing of large scale weather patterns. You have heard of the idea of a butterfly flapping its wings in china, its bunk, but it works allegorically. Very small and subtle changes in atmospheric conditions can have huge results, especially when measured over time (as the measures of power you posted before are).
What I am asserting for sure is Storm can and does manipulate all of the energies that drive a storm. Uncanny 121 shows this very well as well as Uncanny 151. This is a woman who has focused the full electrical power of a storm cell into a single bolt of lightning. Just look at the kinds of bolts she can toss then. Look at what 2damnloud posted on the power of a mere thunderstorm. It scares me to think of what Ororo can do.
Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
My point was that Jenny isn't shit compared to what Storm's body can compensate for hence her being in the midst of a bubbling Super-Cell and not being affected.
A what? Do you make this stuff up as you go?
Either way, when a person has complete control over the EMS like Jenny Sparks does, Storm can't throw up a barrier she can't get past.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Thunderstorms are conduits for Earths electrical/electromagnetic energy. The energies Jenny uses would not/should not be foriegn to Storm, depends on the writer, like when Mags used her lightning against her.
One thing you're not understanding at all is that Storm does not have the level of control and knowledge over spectrums that other comic characters know.
Magneto knows the EMS inside and out. He's an expert.
Storm is learned. It's like comparing a college student to a professor.
Same with weather control. Thor is an expert. Beta Ray Bill is an expert.
Storm is learned.
So, her ability to manipulate them may have more potential, but you need to understand that comic debates are not what the possibilities of the powerset are. That's like using the characters like Pokemon.
We debate on what has been done.
Originally posted by Rutog98
What I am asserting for sure is Storm can and does manipulate all of the energies that drive a storm. Uncanny 121 shows this very well as well as Uncanny 151. This is a woman who has focused the full electrical power of a storm cell into a single bolt of lightning. Just look at the kinds of bolts she can toss then. Look at what 2damnloud posted on the power of a mere thunderstorm. It scares me to think of what Ororo can do.Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto.
my only real point on this is not to confuse the term "energies"
in the vernacular, it generally refers to anything. Really, when people use the term "energy" they normally just are talking about the cause of an event, or are unfortunately speaking more metaphysically.
I think you are using energy in one of these ways, and not in the direct scientific form. Sure, she controls the "energies" of a storm, but there is a massive difference between the "energies" involved that command atmospheric change (ie, manipulate the weather) and the generated molecular energy of the storm itself, and all its parts.
So, energies that drive a storm, could be construed as fundamental forces of nature, but it is likely not, simply because the fundamental forces of nature are too "fine tuned" to really deal with weather phenomena. Not to beat a dead horse, but if she was directly responsible for the molecular energy (the energy that equals an "atomic bomb"😉 making the weather is not an effective use of that power. If she is as powerful as i think you are describing, she has a similar capability of Franklin Richards.
And, about her making lighting that is as powerful as a multi nuclear powered storm, all I can say is scan please.
And to rate "power" between magneto and storm is useless. What is more powerful, Einstein or Picasso? "power" isn't a quality that people can be judged by. Magneto beats storm for a variety of reasons on this forum, take it or leave it, but there is probably little room to argue this point with people.
Regarding Jenny and the fleet of ships; Spaceships usually entail absurd power sources involving fusion, ooorr baby universes, so you can logically assume they are equipped to deal with power surges. Big ones. You just don't build stuff like that without taking care of it. I doubt there are any kind of technical specs on them but I just wanted to point out that the feat wasn't just like frying a bunch of gameboys or washing machines.
Originally posted by inamilist
my only real point on this is not to confuse the term "energies"in the vernacular, it generally refers to anything. Really, when people use the term "energy" they normally just are talking about the cause of an event, or are unfortunately speaking more metaphysically.
I think you are using energy in one of these ways, and not in the direct scientific form. 1)Sure, she controls the "energies" of a storm, but there is a massive difference between the "energies" involved that command atmospheric change (ie, manipulate the weather) and the generated molecular energy of the storm itself, and all its parts.
2)So, energies that drive a storm, could be construed as fundamental forces of nature, but it is likely not, simply because the fundamental forces of nature are too "fine tuned" to really deal with weather phenomena. 3)Not to beat a dead horse, but if she was directly responsible for the molecular energy (the energy that equals an "atomic bomb"😉 making the weather is not an effective use of that power. If she is as powerful as i think you are describing, she has a similar capability of Franklin Richards.
And, about her making lighting that is as powerful as a multi nuclear powered storm, all I can say is scan please.
And to rate "power" between magneto and storm is useless. What is more powerful, Einstein or Picasso? "power" isn't a quality that people can be judged by. Magneto beats storm for a variety of reasons on this forum, take it or leave it, but there is probably little room to argue this point with people.
1)Explain further
2)This is absurd. The fundemental forces of nature are not too "fine tuned" to deal with weather when it does everyday constantly. Explain further.
3) STUPID broken logic- Character x 'should' be doing this so they are not as powerful as decribed?? ABSURD. If Xavier is a powerful telepath he should be able to commincate with all lifeforms seen and unseen at once with ease. Broken Logic-Your subjective idea of "fully realized" use of ones abilities solidifies the credibility of said powers??
Explain further.
Originally posted by leonidasShe could also turn into electricity and fried the mind of the alien that made Earth ...
see, i'm not too up on my authority guys (and gals). isn't jenny basically just an electrical energy wielder? i'd have thought storm could answer most of what jenny had in her arsenal. 😬
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm.Much more adept with electricity and atoms and stuff.
She can actually tap the potential of the entire Earth and channel powerhouse energies through her body that are much>>>>>Than Jenny Sparks.
The question is, how would Ororo hurt HER, though??
Hmmmmmmm.
How can you say Storm would win but not know of any way for Storm to hurt Jenny?