The Mark of the Beast (666)

Originally posted by Ytse
How so?

I've responded to all of those and all you've managed to do is requote them over and over.

See, this shows the kind of person I'm dealing with here. I'm trying to have a meaningful discussion and this is what you have to say about me. You've said I was delusional more than once. How can I argue with someone who resorts to personal ad hominem attacks like that? You're old enough to know better aren't you?

I explained this more than once and you simply ignore my explanation and say I'm splitting hairs. You won't even tell me how I'm splitting hairs aside from saying "in my opinion." Apparently you cannot deal directly with my argument or you would. Shall I quote it once more or are you going to give me the "in my opinion" routine again?

I bet you didn't even bother to read it, did you?

You are off topic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are off topic.

It's funny how you'd engage for pages and pages in this debate that has branched off from the main one and then when you find you're unable to defend your position you tell me it's off-topic.

Moreover, you're the one who initiated this tangent with this post:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, if I go back to my Green Dragon Egg illustration; The bible saying that non-believers will reject the “good news” of the bible, therefore the bible is true, is like me saying that non-believers will reject the Green Dragon Egg, therefore Green Dragon Egg does exist.

Originally posted by Ytse
It's funny how you'd engage for pages and pages in this debate that has branched off from the main one and then when you find you're unable to defend your position you tell me it's off-topic.

Moreover, you're the one who initiated this tangent with this post:

I even started a thread so you can tell the whole world about your idea.
I said we are off topic because I respect the forum. I should have stopped this off topic discussion 3 pages ago.

Please do not respond to this post unless it is on topic.

To have the mark of the Beast, we first have to agree on what the Beast is, there are just too many interpretations.

Is it the Pope or church leader, The government, an individual like the many proclaimed in numerous books like Don Juan Carlos or Prince Charles? Or is it an attitude. Or scare and control tactics. During the time Revelations was written, if I remember correctly, Nero was in Control and like Nostradamus this book was speaking in code for that time period against him, because to speak out publicly would be your own demise if you were caught. The book of Revelations was taken in and out of the cannon at least 3 or 4 times.

Originally posted by debbiejo
To have the mark of the Beast, we first have to agree on what the Beast is, there are just too many interpretations.

Is it the Pope or church leader, The government, an individual like the many proclaimed in numerous books like Don Juan Carlos or Prince Charles? Or is it an attitude. Or scare and control tactics. During the time Revelations was written, if I remember correctly, Nero was in Control and like Nostradamus this book was speaking in code for that time period against him, because to speak out publicly would be your own demise if you were caught. The book of Revelations was taken in and out of the cannon at least 3 or 4 times.

What if the Beast was the bible? 😉

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It has done much harm across the centuries..Hmm......OMG Christians have the MARK!

Originally posted by debbiejo
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It has done much harm across the centuries..Hmm......OMG Christians have the MARK!

The cross is the mark. They put it on their forehead. 😱

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They start wars and rumors or wars!!

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, the mark of the Beast is not keeping the Sabbath day. It's breaking the Law of god, The 4th commandment.

Every Sunday keeper has taken the mark. 😱

On topic: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/616666.html

So, it's ok to not keep the Sabbath holy?

Only if you found a religion in the process.

Originally posted by debbiejo
So, it's ok to not keep the Sabbath holy?

Sabbath which remained on the Saturday.

So what exactly do you do on Saterday then.

Pretty much nothing. Why?

Well, tell me how you're keeping it Holy.

I don't think you actually understand the tradition surrounding the sabbath.

You need to understand the import of "The sabbath came into being for man, not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

Read Mark 2 and 3 and see what Jesus teaches about the sabbath and maybe you will understand something about the import of the Law and the sabbath keeping in mind that "the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" (Mark 2:28).

So what you're saying is that it is fine to ignore the 4th commandment?

Jesus did say "Not one jot or tiddle will pass way from the Law. untill Heaven and Earth be destroyed" I don't recall Heaven or Earth destroyed as of yet. Removing one law when Jesus kept it is removing more than a tick mark or comma. Why not remove 2 laws?

Lets say that Jesus is lord of the Sabbath, well wouldn't that mean he is ruler/author of it, and if he is god, it would be proper to respect him and his Law, it should be followed as he did keep the example to you stated in his word.

I believe you are following doctrine and not scripture. Sola Scriptura, or “Word Alone”

You fail to understand the import of what Jesus just said. Because he is the author of the law he can reform and remove whatever he wants. Also, you failed to use the whole context of Matthew 5:18 because you left out the all important "till all be fullfilled". Jesus is the fulfillment of prophecy. As he said "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Very clearly Jesus has fulfilled the law according to the Bible, thereby meaning that many "jots and tittles" can be removed.

Also, I do not follow Sola Scriptura, so that comment is irrelevant.

And once again, you need to understand "The sabbath came into being for man, not man for the sabbath".

Well I surely do understand your doctrine immensely to the point that you will stick to it no matter what. You just proved that point my stating that you do not follow scripture alone, but mens words..ie doctrine. If scripture is the word of god, then that is all you'd need. Guess it's lacking. And "fulfil" doesn't mean to do away with, if so, then we should be able to do away with all the 10 commandments. Jesus kept it and also Paul still kept the feasts.

After the cross the disciples were observing the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost. (Acts 2:1).

"Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath." Colossians 2:16.

"So the LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear God for our good always...And it will be righteousness for us if we are careful to observe all this commandment before God, just as He commanded us." Deut.6:24,25

In Leviticus 23:1-4, God states in no uncertain terms that these days are His feast days and that they are holy convocations.

In Nehemiah 8:9 Nehemiah, inspired by God, states strongly that these feast days are "holy to the LORD your God."

In 1Corinthians 5:8 the apostle Paul tells us directly that we are to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is one of God's feasts.

The festivals, including the Sabbath, will be kept when Jesus Christ returns and begins to establish the kingdom of God.

This is made clear in Isaiah 66:23: "'And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,' says the LORD." ALL FLESH.

The beast is someone who is Lawless ie..Law breaker. "the Man of Lawlessness"

You have the mark of the beast. 😱

give it up, JIA cant understand the differnce between whats translated and what actually there. the new king james revised version is flawed. inthe real hebrew one, there is no place where the trinity or triune god is mentioned. nor a place where a rapture is mentioned. it can also be argued that the translation unjustifiably tries to translate to favour the JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS GOD'S SON myth. heck he doesnt even know "eloih eloih lama sabaktagin" mean "OH god OH god why hast thou forsaken me" which he translates as MY god MY god why hast thou frosaken me.

"the father is greater than "I", the father is greater than "ALL", i can of my own self do "NOTHING" {lest commanded by him}. lol, this really is getting ridiculous. theres no triunity, no rapture, no procaliming of being god's exclusive biological son, in the RED LETTER BIBLE{the direct speech of jesus which is quoted in the gospels. although JIA cant understand the difference between direct quotation and indirect speech in the bible and calls practically the entire bible red letter. furthermore, there are even statements of jesus himself going against dying on the cross. and yet a follower akes a thread on the importance of NOT BEING MARKED BY 666.