Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.Like I said, The mark or name of the beast, or the number of his name is 666. [/B]
Thats an old and innacurate translation.
Unless you seriously think the Bible was written in English using Arabic numerals.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe oldest known record of the verse, a fragment of an early manuscript of Revelation from the Oxyrhynchus site, gives a different number, 616, as “χιϛ”.[1] The early Church father Irenaeus knew several occurrences of the 616-variant but regarded them as a scribal error, although he didn't know the meaning of the number.[9] The Zürich Bible which is based on the oldest Bible manuscripts also mentions the number 616.
This is what was written and translated accurately. The mark or name of the beast, or number of his name is 666 as revealed in the holy Word of God--the Bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Once the church is taken out of the earth and you are left behind, the man of sin (i.e. the beast or antichrist) will make his appearance. The church will be taken to Heaven by Jesus Christ in an event called the "Rapture." The antichrist will attempt to explain the world-wide disappearance of millions of people (all of them Christians/believers of Jesus the Christ). The man of sin will assuage everyone's concerns and attempt to bring order in this trying, distressing period of time. This moment marks the last 7 years of human history. Whoever receives the mark of the beast (i.e. the antichrist) has sealed their eternal destiny. You will not be able to buy or sell without accepting the mark of the beast. You may be tortured in an effort to get you to accept this eternal mark of allegiance, but do not do this. Be faithful even to death and you will be saved if you confess Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and believe that God has raised Him from the dead. You must believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and raised the third day. You must repent (i.e. change one’s mind) of your sins and turn towards Jesus Christ for salvation from your sins. Jesus Christ promises that if you do these things (from your heart) you will be saved from the wrath to come upon the whole world. The Book of Revelation details all of the things that are coming on the world after the Rapture takes place. Read it. Get a Bible and read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It This passage of Scripture describes the catching away of the church i.e. the Rapture. God’s people will not suffer the God’s wrath as described in the Book of Revelation. That is why Jesus the Christ is coming back to earth, to take His people out of here before the wrath of God against sin is administered. The antichrist (i.e. the beast or man of sin) will be very charismatic, a powerful, convincing orator. He will perhaps be handsome, persuasive, charming, and believable. He will appear to bring order and peace to the world in the first 3 ½ years of this period called “the Tribulation.” But in the last 3 ½ years of human history (also referred to as “the Great Tribulation”) the antichrist will break his covenant, set up an image in the temple in Jerusalem, and command everyone everywhere to worship this image. The antichrist will sit in the temple and declare himself to be God Almighty. Read 2 Thessalonians 2:4-9; Revelation 13:16-18. These passages of Scripture describe the antichrist. The “abomination of desolation” spoken about in Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15 and in Mark 13:14 is the image of the beast i.e. antichrist. Do not worship his image or receive his mark (i.e. mark of allegiance to him which is 666).What to do after the church has been raptured
To those who have still rejected Jesus Christ (His love, His salvation), once the church is raptured (caught up into Heaven), tribulation (God's wrath against sinners on earth) will immediately follow. Don't accept the mark of the beast (666). If you do accept satan's mark your fate is sealed for eternity. You are a spirit and your spirit will never cease to exist. All people who have died and come back to life can attest to this. You only go to one of two places when you die: Heaven or Hell. I know that you have heard this a million times. Again, don' t accept the mark of the beast (666). If you refuse to accept satan's mark you will be tortured (to get you to accept it). If you still refuse to accept satan's mark you will be beheaded. But if you refuse to accept satan's mark you will receive eternal life (if you confess Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior). Don't wait until after the church is gone to receive Christ into your heart and life. It will be harder for you to receive Christ once the church is gone. It will cost you immense suffering, pain, and ultimately death. Again, don't accept the mark of the beast (666).
So how do I receive Jesus so I can be forgiven for all of my sins, made righteous in God's eyes (or good enough to go to Heaven), and so I can receive everlasting life?
Romans 10:9-10,13
that IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.Romans 10:13
FOR "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."1. God says you must confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that He (God) has raised Him (Jesus Christ) from the dead, and you will be saved. You will be forgiven for all your sins, and declared to be righteous to go to Heaven.
2. Whoever calls on the Name of Lord Jesus Christ for salvation shall be saved. Whoever sincerely believes in, depends on, and trusts in Jesus Christ with all their heart will be saved. Ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins, to declare you to be righteous, and to give you everlasting life. Thank Jesus for forgiving you for all of your sins, for declaring you to be righteous, for making
you good enough to go to Heaven, and for dying to pay for your sins.Say this prayer from your heart:
Lord Jesus, I confess that You are Lord, and I believe with all of my heart that God raised You from the dead. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Also Lord Jesus, I repent from all of my sins. Thank You for saving me and giving me everlasting life now.
http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/Mark_of_the_Beast/Mark_of_the_Beast_666.htm
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeas.htm
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=423510
Rogue Jedi I reposted the link that you were not able to access. Try it now.
Originally posted by Bardock42
T-that does not work. Not the scientific method. You have to prove that something exists. How can you prove that scientifically something doesn't exist? Tell me that. Anything. Prove that Unicorns don't exist.
Originally posted by Rogue JediHow does it not go in your head that you can not prove that something does NOT exist?
yes, it does work. you can say "I don't BELIEVE the devil exists." but when you say "the devil DOESN'T exist", you are putting yourself in a position where you have to back up your statement with evidence, whether it be scientific or otherwise.
I assume it doesn't only apply to your faith though, right?
You never once said that Fairies don't exist, that Santa Clause doesn't exist, that Dragons don't exist, that Vishnu doesn't exist, that Darth Vader doesn't exist?
Because, to be fair, the existence of those are just as likely as those of the Devil.
So, did you? Or do you say "I don't believe that the tooth fairy exists"?
Originally posted by Bardock42
How does it not go in your head that you can not prove that something does NOT exist?I assume it doesn't only apply to your faith though, right?
You never once said that Fairies don't exist, that Santa Clause doesn't exist, that Dragons don't exist, that Vishnu doesn't exist, that Darth Vader doesn't exist?
Because, to be fair, the existence of those are just as likely as those of the Devil.
So, did you? Or do you say "I don't believe that the tooth fairy exists"?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
let me ask you this....WHY do you not believe that the devil exists?
Because it is as unlikely as fairies, dwarfs, hobbits, the easter bunny, martians, unicorns, Superman, dragons and Merlin.
It is just unlikely and there is no piece of evidence.
I don't rule out the possibility on a whole, just I wouldn't do with Ghosts, but I won't let it influence my life and it is so unlikely that it is easier to say I am certain they don't exist, because everything you would think of if I said "maybe they do" is soo far from the real possibility that it will just confuse you.
Why do you believe in him?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Because it is as unlikely as fairies, dwarfs, hobbits, the easter bunny, martians, unicorns, Superman, dragons and Merlin.It is just unlikely and there is no piece of evidence.
I don't rule out the possibility on a whole, just I wouldn't do with Ghosts, but I won't let it influence my life and it is so unlikely that it is easier to say I am certain they don't exist, because everything you would think of if I said "maybe they do" is soo far from the real possibility that it will just confuse you.
Why do you believe in him?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Answer the question.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I choose to believe in the devil because I believe in god, and they og hand in hand. No, I have never seen evidence that either exist, but I still have my faith. You apparently do not believe in either, and I am fine with that. To me, my faith is my evidence.
Okay, though it is not evidence at all. And as I said, you wouldn't understand it. I believe that the Devil does not exist as strongly as I believe that Gravitation will keep me on earth. As strongly as I believe that my mother exists. If you are able to lie to yourself that is okay. I am not.
Originally posted by Boris
LOL!How the hell can Faith be evidence?
According to the Bible faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen (because our faith is based squarely on the Word of God).
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
According to the Bible faith is the substance of things hoped for the [B]evidence of things not seen (because our faith is based squarely on the Word of God).Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [/B]
Well, now you just have to prove that the bible is correct and we have a perfect line of reasoning. So far faith is not evidence...but faith.
And does that also go for faith in Nordic Gods? Or Hinduism?