Originally posted by celestialdemon
If that's true, that has to be some of the most horrible writing in ages. He had an awesome battle against BRB who is much more powerful than Storm and Human Torch. Seems like everyone who is going against this new Fantastic Four is going to be dumbed down for their benefit.
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everything that he said is going to happen in the next issue, I dont believe him one bit. Im going to wait and see but hey he could be telling the truth, black panther did hold surfer in place with a move and stated also that he could rip surfers arms apart. But im not believing it until i see it. A lot of people on this forum say thing has happened when it didnt.
Originally posted by Photon009
Well it happenned. And Torchy did alot more than hurt Stardust. He hurt Stardust so bad that he made him scream out in pain with one blast, and then incapacitated Stardust temporarily by holding him in place with flame while Storm was getting ready to attack him.
😘 If I didn't know Hudlin wasn't writing this shit, I'd swear this was his idea.....
God I hate Marvel sometimes....... this kind of shit would never happen in DC. 😒
Originally posted by Photon009What is Stardust's bad showings, exactly?
You wish. Stardust doesnt have enough good showings to make up for his bad ones now. And on top of that, Firelord also has BETTER showings. So Firelord has quality and quantity in showings over Stardust.
Also, even if he had, say, one, or two, he had a whole story, where he took planet busting attacks, Galactus attacks, to virtually absolutely no strain.
Created black holes (although I wouldn't really consider them as such, since they completely dwarfed comic ones), that had enough power to overpower Beta.
Matched power for power with Beta.
Destroyed a bunch of ships, took another massive attack fueled by Galactus.
Absorbed enough power to feed Galactus (really, Firelord doesn't house this power, nor does Terrax). Meaning, their power can be feasted off of.
Been considered to put Surfer down, when the time came.
Blah, blah, blah, one showing, negates shit all, and if it does, then Firelord is a penis stain in the mere mention of herald level beings, Terrax also.
Except, they've had way more low showings, and even lower showings.
Also, Firelord has better showings? I really doubt this.
where he took planet busting attacks, Galactus attacks, to virtually absolutely no strain.
He took one-planet busting attack, and it killed him. He just reformed. And he never took a blast from Galactus himself (until Annihilation, and it also killed him.) He also divebombed a planet into it's core, but that's nothing to heralds. Pretty much any herald-level being can do that. Hell, Firelord's heat has dwarfed the sun and Surfer's flown through the center of the sun. See, no problemo for heralds.
Created black holes (although I wouldn't really consider them as such, since they completely dwarfed comic ones), that had enough power to overpower Beta.
Beta Ray Bill cant even fly under his own power. He has to throw his hammer and hold onto the end. Firelord has flown millions of miles in seconds, at transdimensional light speeds, he'd escape the black hole. And BRB still got out of it. Firelord would easily.
Matched power for power with Beta.
Wrong again. They met blasts, and Beta Ray Bill overpowered him eventually, while giving a big speech as usual. He never matched power with BRb, all he did was get the hell beat out of him by BRB and keep regenerating. Firelord has REALLY matched power for power with Thor, whose superior to BRB.
Destroyed a bunch of ships, took another massive attack fueled by Galactus.
Firelord was taking out just as many ships as Stardust. Firelord was actually leading the heralds, not Stardust, and on top of that, Firelord took down the Flasgship which was tons of times bigger than regular A-Wave ships. And the Galactus blast killed stardust. I fail to see how getting killed is impressive. And it took Stardust 4 issues to reform. In a forum battle, the fight would be over right there.
Absorbed enough power to feed Galactus (really, Firelord doesn't house this power, nor does Terrax).
He fed Galactus, but it barely even helped him. He basically gave Galactus one or two apples when Galactus wanted/needed the whole damn tree. Nothing really all that impressive there, and Firelord couldve easily done the same.
Been considered to put Surfer down, when the time came.No he wasnt. Surfer is clearly top dog of the heralds anyone knows that. Stardust is nothing next to Surfer, and would lose to even Firelord. All Galactus said was that he'd call stardust when Surfer's betrays him. For all we know that could mean Galactus wouldnt have Surfer anymroe and would just let him go so he'd need Stardust to find planets.
That was probably after the heralds powers were stolen.
Stardust didnt have his powers stolen. Just Surfer.
Marvel Earth just has the tech to whoop Heralds now due to power stealing.That would include Firelord.
Prove it. Not too many years back when Firelord was on a rampage, the FF found out about it, called up the Avengers, and both teams agreed that only the Surfer is capable of stopping him. And the last time before this one when they tried to use tech against heralds, it was against Terrax in a New Warriors comic, and all it did was slightly weaken him. Stardust just sucks.
Blah, blah, blah, one showing, negates shit all, and if it does, then Firelord is a penis stain in the mere mention of herald level beings, Terrax also.
Except, they've had way more low showings, and even lower showings.
Firelord has had two low showings. Two. Losing to Spider-Man, and losing to Morg along with Air-Walker after Morg cheapshotted them (which really isnt that bad). Terrax has had 3 low showings. Being owned by Sentry, being owned by Thanos (which also isnt really that bad), and losing to Iron Man. Stardust has 3 low showings as well. Being one-shotted by Storm, and being completely owned and embarassed by the Human Torch with the power of one blast from Surfer on top of his own, and not being able to knock out Black Panther with a prolonged blast (all of which ARE bad). So Stardust actually has the worst showings. See, Spider-Man used hit and run tactics against Firelord because he knew if one blast connected (none did), he'd be fried. Stardust held a blast on BP for 4 or 5 panels, and BP was still easily conscious and fine forthe most part. Also getting one-shotted from Storm is almost as bad as losing to Spider-Man also given the circumstances. So Stardust actually has worse showings, more low showings, less impressive good showings, and a less amount of good showings.
What has Firelord done that matches and exceeds Stardust's two feats of taking a planet destroying blast and stalemating/being on the losing end of a fight against BRB? How about Firelord stalemating a bloodthirsty Thor on 3 separate occasions, stalemating a reluctant Thor easily on one occasion, being stated to be "Power Incarnate" and "the Master of the Power Cosmic" by Thor, flying over a million miles in a second or so, taking multiple shots from Drax, a Hulk-level planet-buster, and being fine, holding 2 or 3 wins over the Surfer himself, healing from having his chest ripped open from WOL Morg, putting WOL Morg on the ground in one blast, destroying a planet-sized meteor, taking down the Annihilation Wave flagship and the Queen, saving Red Shift and Surfer from the seekers that attacked them earlier on during the Annihilation Wave invasion, taking down Ravenous while heavily weakened, and letting out an omni-directional blast of cosmic flame so powerful and hot that Surfer couldnt absorb it and had to run from it? Yea, Firelord's feats dwarf Stardust's.