Firelord vs Stardust vs Terrax

Originally posted by Photon009
Prove it. Not too many years back when Firelord was on a rampage, the FF found out about it, called up the Avengers, and both teams agreed that only the Surfer is capable of stopping him. And the last time before this one when they tried to use tech against heralds, it was against Terrax in a New Warriors comic, and all it did was slightly weaken him. Stardust just sucks.

That last issue of FF is all that is needed. Portable devices that steal power cosmic. Firelorad was KO'd by Spidey on his own.

Broly takes this.

On a more relevant issue...

Stardust kills them all.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That last issue of FF is all that is needed. Portable devices that steal power cosmic. Firelorad was KO'd by Spidey on his own.

No it's not. This is the only time Marvel Earth's forces have been able to take down heralds with Tech (other than Doom stealing Surfer's power but that's irrelevant). And it was against Stardust, an unproven herald. So there's no proof it would work on Firelord, especially when not too many years back it didnt work on Terrax. And Firelord has had plenty of great showings that easily make up for losing to Spider-Man. And dont forget:

See, Spider-Man used hit and run tactics against Firelord because he knew if one blast connected (none did), he'd be fried. Stardust held a blast on BP for 4 or 5 panels, and BP was still easily conscious and fine forthe most part. Also getting one-shotted from Storm is almost as bad as losing to Spider-Man also given the circumstances. So Stardust actually has worse showings, more low showings, less impressive good showings, and a less amount of good showings.

--That said, Firelord wins this.

Firelord has flown millions of miles in seconds, at transdimensional light speeds, he'd escape the black hole. And BRB still got out of it. Firelord would easily.

**Edit of my post**

90 MILLION MILES in an instant. Sorry, but anyone who thinks a Black Hole could pull in someone who can fly that fast and that powerfully is crazy.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/armandovalles/Scans/Firelord/Fllightpseed1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/armandovalles/Scans/Firelord/Fllightpseed2.jpg

He took one-planet busting attack, and it killed him. He just reformed. And he never took a blast from Galactus himself (until Annihilation, and it also killed him.) He also divebombed a planet into it's core, but that's nothing to heralds. Pretty much any herald-level being can do that. Hell, Firelord's heat has dwarfed the sun and Surfer's flown through the center of the sun. See, no problemo for heralds.

Actually, I said attack, not blast. And, if you read Stormbreaker, Galactus smashed his hands in a clap, against Stardust, and Beta, and Stardust got up a panel after with no known effects.

Umm, he reformed, which as I said earlier, really has nothing to do with it, because, if he can reform from Galactus, as you just admitted, then how exactly can you argue about Firelord beating him?
Also, you forgot to mention, that him and Red Shift, had held off the blast long enough to the people to escape.

Firelord's heat affected Surfer, because it was cosmic... 😐

Also, Torch's heat has affected Surfer too...

Beta Ray Bill cant even fly under his own power. He has to throw his hammer and hold onto the end. Firelord has flown millions of miles in seconds, at transdimensional light speeds, he'd escape the black hole. And BRB still got out of it. Firelord would easily.

I remember Beta getting saved before he went in the black hole also...

Also, in your scans there, it says "After days of trans-light travel, I have arrived."

But meh, he was already flying at that time... can he reach that speed in an instant?

Also, those scans, basically gave you away pretty easily...
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Wrong again. They met blasts, and Beta Ray Bill overpowered him eventually, while giving a big speech as usual. He never matched power with BRb, all he did was get the hell beat out of him by BRB and keep regenerating. Firelord has REALLY matched power for power with Thor, whose superior to BRB.

Unless you're talking about when Beta managed to overpower one blast, which could go about the same as when Stardust had Beta in a ball, until Stormbreaker smashed into his back.

The only time Beta had the advantage, was when Stardust was trying to help him, and he flipped out and attacked.

Firelord was taking out just as many ships as Stardust. Firelord was actually leading the heralds, not Stardust, and on top of that, Firelord took down the Flasgship which was tons of times bigger than regular A-Wave ships. And the Galactus blast killed stardust. I fail to see how getting killed is impressive. And it took Stardust 4 issues to reform. In a forum battle, the fight would be over right there.

You mean after Firelord went into a coma after unleashing almost all of his power to stop one ship?

It never killed him, and it's irrelevant anyway, seeing as he can reform almost instantly to any damage inflicted by Firelord.

It didn't take him four issues, it took a flashback of him to reform, meet his people, etc.
It showed what happened to him.

He fed Galactus, but it barely even helped him. He basically gave Galactus one or two apples when Galactus wanted/needed the whole damn tree. Nothing really all that impressive there, and Firelord couldve easily done the same.

Originally posted by Photon009
No he wasnt. Surfer is clearly top dog of the heralds anyone knows that. Stardust is nothing next to Surfer, and would lose to even Firelord. All Galactus said was that he'd call stardust when Surfer's betrays him. For all we know that could mean Galactus wouldnt have Surfer anymroe and would just let him go so he'd need Stardust to find planets.

Second part:
😐

Prove it. Not too many years back when Firelord was on a rampage, the FF found out about it, called up the Avengers, and both teams agreed that only the Surfer is capable of stopping him. And the last time before this one when they tried to use tech against heralds, it was against Terrax in a New Warriors comic, and all it did was slightly weaken him. Stardust just sucks.

Firelord has had two low showings. Two. Losing to Spider-Man, and losing to Morg along with Air-Walker after Morg cheapshotted them (which really isnt that bad).

Terrax has had 3 low showings. Being owned by Sentry, being owned by Thanos (which also isnt really that bad), and losing to Iron Man.

Thing?
Getting taken down by Seekers, when Red Shift, Stardust, and yes, Firelord were taking down heavy ships?
Getting owned by Gamora?

Stardust has 3 low showings as well. Being one-shotted by Storm, and being completely owned and embarassed by the Human Torch with the power of one blast from Surfer on top of his own, and not being able to knock out Black Panther with a prolonged blast (all of which ARE bad). So Stardust actually has the worst showings.

Um, he had Surfer's power, and all he did was hold it for a second or so. Completely owned, what the f*ck?
Not to mention, it looked like a cheap shot anyway.
I fail to see how that's a low showing anyway.

Black Panther was a God in that comic... I like how you mention Stardust's semi-low showings, but you don't mention some of the most ridicules low Surfer showings ever.
Like being affected by Storm.
Being knocked off balance, and almost off his board by Torch.
Being put in an arm bar, that he can't break out by BP.

If you're using low showings from Stardust in that book (s), then you have to also use Surfer's, who by the way, is greater than Firelord.
Funny how all the supposedly low showings come from the start of one book... hey?

Horribly written book, especially the part where Stardust beat up on someone, who had hurt Galactus pages later...

See, Spider-Man used hit and run tactics against Firelord because he knew if one blast connected (none did), he'd be fried. Stardust held a blast on BP for 4 or 5 panels, and BP was still easily conscious and fine forthe most part. Also getting one-shotted from Storm is almost as bad as losing to Spider-Man also given the circumstances. So Stardust actually has worse showings, more low showings, less impressive good showings, and a less amount of good showings.

He never got owned by Storm, or even affected, just blown apart, and if we use that story as evidence, then Storm>>>>>>>Galactus, going by your shoddy logic.

And, even though I hate Storm, it's nowhere near as bad as losing to Spider-Man...

And Surfer has worse showings than Stardust if you use that book as evidence...
He supposedly has three low showings, which really aren't that bad, if you actually look at what the team did.
Oh and, ya, he has way less worse showings...

So far, he's been in what, like 5-10 books total, and has only really faced Beta on his own? Which, by the way, Beta could do shit to it.
That also goes for this less showings shit, and really, that was a retarded statement, since Firelord has been around for decades longer.

What has Firelord done that matches and exceeds Stardust's two feats of taking a planet destroying blast and stalemating/being on the losing end of a fight against BRB?

How about Firelord stalemating a bloodthirsty Thor on 3 separate occasions, stalemating a reluctant Thor easily on one occasion,

Thor has gotten the better of him on every fight as well, or most of them...

being stated to be "Power Incarnate" and "the Master of the Power Cosmic" by Thor,

flying over a million miles in a second or so,

taking multiple shots from Drax, a Hulk-level planet-buster, and being fine,

holding 2 or 3 wins over the Surfer himself,

What's the other time?

healing from having his chest ripped open from WOL Morg, putting WOL Morg on the ground in one blast,

Firelord dropped from getting slashed across the chest by Morg...

That was Nova who knocked Morg down to the ground...

destroying a planet-sized meteor,

taking down the Annihilation Wave flagship and the Queen, saving Red Shift and Surfer from the seekers that attacked them earlier on during the Annihilation Wave invasion,

Umm, it was Firelord, and Red Shift, that saved Surfer, with a cheap attack...

taking down Ravenous while heavily weakened,

and letting out an omni-directional blast of cosmic flame so powerful and hot that Surfer couldnt absorb it and had to run from it? Yea, Firelord's feats dwarf Stardust's.

LMAO you're an idiot kid. You need to go read the books and not just the respect threads, you obviously know NOTHING of Firelord.

Originally posted by Photon009
LMAO you're an idiot kid. You need to go read the books and not just the respect threads, you obviously know NOTHING of Firelord.

Not gonna go through that whole post, but you're wrong with pretty much everything.

-Firelord was never owned by Herc. He was punched once and dazed, that's it. That's not an owning.
-Terrax wanted to lose to Gamora, and has beaten the Thing's ass every time theyve fought.
-The other time Firelord beat Surfer was when Firelord nearly killed Surfer. Surfer was dead. He then had a flashback, woke up through sheer force of will and came back after Firelord afterwards, but Firelord won the initial fight.
-The main thing you're failing to realize is that, yes, Stardust can reform from pretty much any attack, but if he doesnt do it in a few seconds, the fight's over. For example, Storm dispersed his ass and went on to fight Surfer before Stardust came back. That fight was over. Storm beat Stardust. And the one-shot where Stardust regenerated was only partially a flashback. When he regenerated and fed Galactus, that was continuity, aka it did take him 4 issues to regenerate.
-Firelord forcing Surfer to flee is proof Firelord can put down Stardust. Maybe not permanently, but at least enough to end the fight, since Surfer >>> Stardust. And Surfer only had one bad showing in FF. That full nelson from BP. Stardust had 3. And Surfer's power was shown to easily be able to hurt Stardust.
-No i dont have to discuss Surfer's low showings because he's not a participant in this fight. It's irrelevant.
-Stardust was on the losing end the entire fight against BRB, and was begging for BRb to let him go at the end. BEGGING. Yes i realize it was so they could go after Asteroth, but if Stardust couldve gotten BRB off himself, he wouldve instead of resorting to begging like a b*tch.
-Firelord flew 90 million miles in an instant. That scan clearly shows that.
-Moondragon didnt mindblast Surfer when Firelord beat him. All Moondragon did was tell him to turn around, and when he did, Firelord beat his ass.
-Thor > BRB, and Firelord has done better against Thor on more than one occasion than Stardust did against BRB. And Thor NEVER beat Firelord. Firelord was shown superior in 3 out of their 4 fights, Thor was shown superior in 1. Thor has also admitted that Firelord is more powerful than himself. And for someone as boastful and cocky as Thor to say that, it means something.
-He wasnt almost KOed from Drax, he was dazed, nothing more. He was holding his head, that was the only sign of any pain. Aka DAZED.
-Firelord put Morg down in one shot after he regenerated from the slash across the chest a little bit later on in that issue.
-Firelord wasnt in a coma, just knocked out for quite a bit of time from eexpending all his energy. And Giffen obviously made Firelord do all the big stuff like take down Ravenous and the Flagship because Stardust and Red Shift COULDNT.
-Firelord DID KO Ravenous. That's why after we see FL wake up still weakened and challenge Ravenous, we see a big blast destroy the base, and we see Ravenous pop out from underneath the rubble of the base later on. FL got KOed too though, but still impressive considering Ravenous has done well against Surfer and took a planet-destroying blast from Surfer and all it did was piss him off.
-Surfer lasted one panel in Firelord's omni-directional blast before fleeing. And Surfer didnt "kick his ass" in that fight. Surfer won through outsmarting Firelord, not overpowering.

Originally posted by Photon009
LMAO you're an idiot kid. You need to go read the books and not just the respect threads, you obviously know NOTHING of Firelord.

But a more truthful statement, would be:
You need to spend more time not getting banned.
What is this, your third account, or more?

Bran, I know it's armando, but you know who this sounds uncannily like?

Originally posted by Photon009
LMAO you're an idiot kid. You need to go read the books and not just the respect threads, you obviously know NOTHING of Firelord.

Originally posted by Photon009
Not gonna go through that whole post, but you're wrong with pretty much everything.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord was never owned by Herc. He was punched once and dazed, that's it. That's not an owning.

"Do I make myself clear?"
"Y-Yes."
I like that part.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Terrax wanted to lose to Gamora, and has beaten the Thing's ass every time theyve fought.

Didn't Thing hit him to make him go at escape velocity?

Originally posted by Photon009
-The other time Firelord beat Surfer was when Firelord nearly killed Surfer. Surfer was dead. He then had a flashback, woke up through sheer force of will and came back after Firelord afterwards, but Firelord won the initial fight.

Originally posted by Photon009
-The main thing you're failing to realize is that, yes, Stardust can reform from pretty much any attack, but if he doesnt do it in a few seconds, the fight's over. For example, Storm dispersed his ass and went on to fight Surfer before Stardust came back. That fight was over. Storm beat Stardust. And the one-shot where Stardust regenerated was only partially a flashback. When he regenerated and fed Galactus, that was continuity, aka it did take him 4 issues to regenerate.

For as little as showings as Stardust has, even then, he still has feats to rule out the Storm example as pis.
Storm never beat Stardust... hell, it was even a suprise attack too.

You're forgetting that he also met up with his people, and then met Galactus. It hardly took four issues to regenerate.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord forcing Surfer to flee is proof Firelord can put down Stardust. Maybe not permanently, but at least enough to end the fight, since Surfer >>> Stardust. And Surfer only had one bad showing in FF. That full nelson from BP. Stardust had 3. And Surfer's power was shown to easily be able to hurt Stardust.

Oh really asshat?
Getting affected by Storm, getting knocked off balance, and almost off his board by Torch.
Having a hard time with Thing (while, Stardust trapped Thing in a bubble like nothing).
Not being able to KO Storm.
What else do we got here?

Don't really feel like reading it again, since it was a horrible story.

Originally posted by Photon009
-No i dont have to discuss Surfer's low showings because he's not a participant in this fight. It's irrelevant.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Stardust was on the losing end the entire fight against BRB, and was begging for BRb to let him go at the end. BEGGING. Yes i realize it was so they could go after Asteroth, but if Stardust couldve gotten BRB off himself, he wouldve instead of resorting to begging like a b*tch.

Umm, Stardust wasn't begging to let go, it tried to awaken Beta, to get help, and Bill attacked. Hardly a f*cking fight, or even viable evidence, since Stardust wasn't trying to fight him, and if he was, he could have roasted Beta, when he was KO'ed.

Stardust was begging for help, because he knew he couldn't defeat the Asteroth on his own.
And, in the next scene between the two, Stardust said, and explained why Beta couldn't beat him.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord flew 90 million miles in an instant. That scan clearly shows that.

Plus, that's basically straight line travel, and it's hardly relevant, nor did you actually adress what I said about this in the earlier post.

Good job.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Moondragon didnt mindblast Surfer when Firelord beat him. All Moondragon did was tell him to turn around, and when he did, Firelord beat his ass.

Moondragon, just pages later, showed the same attack on X, and it put X in a coma.
So, you can bet Surfer got hit hard here.

And then... cheapshot.

Plus, you neglected to address the fact, that Surfer didn't even fight back. Oh, and I forgot to mention, that Surfer actually won that fight, in the later comics, that continued the fight.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Thor > BRB, and Firelord has done better against Thor on more than one occasion than Stardust did against BRB. And Thor NEVER beat Firelord. Firelord was shown superior in 3 out of their 4 fights, Thor was shown superior in 1. Thor has also admitted that Firelord is more powerful than himself. And for someone as boastful and cocky as Thor to say that, it means something.

Thor was shown the superior actually. One, he had Firelord down on his knees, and he said he couldn't finish him (still look better).

Thor says that about practically everyone, unless they are, well absolutely nothing to him.

Originally posted by Photon009
-He wasnt almost KOed from Drax, he was dazed, nothing more. He was holding his head, that was the only sign of any pain. Aka DAZED.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord put Morg down in one shot after he regenerated from the slash across the chest a little bit later on in that issue.

Ya, I think you should take your own advice and go and read comics.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord wasnt in a coma, just knocked out for quite a bit of time from eexpending all his energy. And Giffen obviously made Firelord do all the big stuff like take down Ravenous and the Flagship because Stardust and Red Shift COULDNT.

Hardly. That's like saying he got Surfer to take down the A wave, because Galactus couldn't.
That's the type of shit evidence you're using, so why can't I as well?

Originally posted by Photon009
-Firelord DID KO Ravenous. That's why after we see FL wake up still weakened and challenge Ravenous, we see a big blast destroy the base, and we see Ravenous pop out from underneath the rubble of the base later on. FL got KOed too though, but still impressive considering Ravenous has done well against Surfer and took a planet-destroying blast from Surfer and all it did was piss him off.

Either way, it's not a great feat.

Ravenous fought Surfer, when he was playing around.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Surfer lasted one panel in Firelord's omni-directional blast before fleeing. And Surfer didnt "kick his ass" in that fight. Surfer won through outsmarting Firelord, not overpowering.

Oh, he won, and he won by Firelord being overloaded, by Surfer, and Firelord also trying to pull a Surfer, and draw out energy from space.

Let the flaming begin.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Bran, I know it's armando, but you know who this sounds uncannily like?

Maybe, they're the same person... hmm...