Originally posted by capt it up
actaully according to the rules classic wonderman does not win at all.He a melee combatant with no range attacks........which mean he will get stabbed
oh by the way that picture mof wonderman beating on wolverine was a cheap shot...........
A melee combatant with at least low level super-speed and a rather high level of invulnerability, Wolverine has a hard time cutting the Hulk.
Originally posted by Silent Master
A melee combatant with at least low level super-speed and a rather high level of invulnerability, Wolverine has a hard time cutting the Hulk.
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In IH #181, Wolverine stated outright that his claws weren't cutting the Hulk's skin. (I have scan of this.)
There's a Claremont/Byrne X-Men issue (featuring Alpha Flight and Wendigo) where Wolverine reiterates this but I don't know the issue number offhand.
IH #340- Wolverine is able to cut greyskin, but notes that as the Hulk gets angrier, he's healing faster and getting "stronger, tougher, harder to hurt." Wolverine speculates that he was cutting the Hulk all along but the healing factor was so fast that it appeared he wasn't.
Wolverine #125, Death cuts the Hulk with the claws when Hulk runs into them. Narration at that point says something like "Consciousness fading, a final effort seems futile. But the Hulk's own momentum does what the savage horseman's sinews could not." Then Death starts hacking at the wound.
In Sam Keith's Wolverine/Hulk mini, Wolverine stabs at the Hulk many times but there's no blood shown. The one close-up we get, it looks like the claws aren't actually penetrating.
In Bruce Jones' mini 6 Hours, Wolverine takes several swipes at the Hulk with the claws but we don't see any blood. Wolverine was able to draw blood only when he retracted the claws while the Hulk was holding onto them. (I have scans of this.)
Originally posted by Silent Master
In IH #181, Wolverine stated outright that his claws weren't cutting the Hulk's skin. (I have scan of this.)
This was retconed when a healing factor was writen into the Hulks powers. Wolverine was cutting the Hulk, only the green goliath was healing at such a tremendous rate that the wound was closing right behind the claws.
Originally posted by Silent Master
There's a Claremont/Byrne X-Men issue (featuring Alpha Flight and Wendigo) where Wolverine reiterates this but I don't know the issue number offhand.
No. But there is a Claremont/Byrne X-Men issue (featuring Alpha Flight and Wendigo) where Wolverine says that Guardian's suit was designed to turn his claws.
Originally posted by Silent Master
IH #340- Wolverine is able to cut greyskin, but notes that as the Hulk gets angrier, he's healing faster and getting "stronger, tougher, harder to hurt." Wolverine speculates that he was cutting the Hulk all along but the healing factor was so fast that it appeared he wasn't.
The above mentioned retcon.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine #125, Death cuts the Hulk with the claws when Hulk runs into them. Narration at that point says something like "Consciousness fading, a final effort seems futile. But the Hulk's own momentum does what the savage horseman's sinews could not." Then Death starts hacking at the wound.
Wolverine draws blood from the Hulk several times in that fight with his sword, claws and even a head butt.
Originally posted by Silent Master
In Sam Keith's Wolverine/Hulk mini, Wolverine stabs at the Hulk many times but there's no blood shown. The one close-up we get, it looks like the claws aren't actually penetrating.
Wolverine claws are shown penetrating the Hulk more then once in that LS. There is no blood shown because of the rate at which the Hulk heals, the blood clots and the wound closes almost instantly.
Originally posted by Silent Master
In Bruce Jones' mini 6 Hours, Wolverine takes several swipes at the Hulk with the claws but we don't see any blood. Wolverine was able to draw blood only when he retracted the claws while the Hulk was holding onto them. (I have scans of this.)
See above.
Wolverine's claws were penetrating the Hulks fleash... thats why he started screaming when Wolverine retracted his claws out of his grip.
And in MCP scraps Wolverine's claws penetrated the Hulk, same in the Marvel Fanfare fight and more recently in Wolverine 50.
Wonder Man fought the Hulk. He even managed to snap Abomination couple times that he was in pain. Almost beat the shit out of Thor. When the Thing couldn't lift a weight in a training room Wonder Man went there he easily lifted it and bended around Ben...Please...Classic Wonder Man is way above Wolverine...
Originally posted by Rewmac
Wonder Man fought the Hulk. He even managed to snap Abomination couple times that he was in pain. Almost beat the shit out of Thor. When the Thing couldn't lift a weight in a training room Wonder Man went there he easily lifted it and bended around Ben...Please...Classic Wonder Man is way above Wolverine...
It wasnt thing that could lift the weight, it was ms marvel but this fight could go either way because wonderman is so versatile. 50/50
Last response regarding Wolverine cutting the Hulk as it's just a tangent.
Wolverine's narration in IH #340 contradicts the occasions he's fought greenskin. He may simply have been wrong about cutting the Hulk in their first encounter. (Hulk's healing factor predates Wolverine by nearly a decade, but wasn't emphasized until PAD.)It's UXM #139 or 140 that Wolverine recounts his first encounter with the Hulk and Wendigo. He says something like "By all rights, I should have cut him to shish kebob... but he's darn near invulnerable." and "In the end, all I did was make him angry."
Apocalypse gave Hulk a sword that overloaded Creel in seconds and was strongly implied to be capable of killing Juggernaut. What were the properties of Death's sword? Death only pierced Hulk's skin with the claws by using Hulk's momentum. First, Hulk leaped at him and Death stuck out the claws and Hulk's hand came down on them. Then when Hulk was smashing Death, his own momentum caused the injuries (stated by narrative).
If he's referring to MCP #55 or 61, he'd better look again. Wolverine didn't lay a claw on greyskin.
FANFARE #2 (featuring bone claws) came out in late '96-- right after Onslaught. Hulk's durability was decreasing dramatically due to separation from Banner. I don't believe that series was continuity, anyway. PAD had Wolverine's bone claws fail to cut the Hulk much later when Hulk's durability would have been even lower.
Wolverine #50 was a dream, wasn't it? A dream about their first encounter or the actual fight and a conscious remembrance of it...
Wolverine/Hulk
http://i79.imagethrust.com/images/4HIv/view-image/wh-2.htmlDoes that look to you like Wolverine's claws are getting through the skin or that they're only pressing in against the skin? I don't see blood.
6 Hours
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Wolverine-6Hours4a.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Wolverine-6Hours4b.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Wolverine2c.jpgNotice how Wolverine's slashes don't produce blood but when Hulk is holding the claws and Wolverine retracts them it's clear that he cut the Hulk. My scan isn't very large, but you can see the trail of the cut on Hulk's right palm. If Hulk's healing factor was so fast that it masked cuts, why's it clear that Wolverine cut his hands? (Retracting the claws from Hulk's grip would qualify as taking advantage of Hulk's own strength, wouldn't you say?) They weren't shy about showing blood, as you can see from Wolverine.
It'll be interesting to see how Hulk vs. Wolverine is handled in WWH.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Last response regarding Wolverine cutting the Hulk as it's just a tangent.
maybe this will help you. omg.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741941
read what the hulk says about wolverine claws stabbing his neck.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742021
Look at hulk helpless to the claws
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742027
Look at hulk bleed.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742029
Does this help you. Is this enough to make you realize that wolverine can cut the hulk.
this is a close up of what wolverine did to the hulk.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742032
I'll say it again...
Wolverine's retconned that he couldn't cut Hulk in ish 340.
So,
Wolverine thinks he can cut hulk.
Hulk thinks Wolverine can cut Hulk.
AND,
unless you guys think that Hulk is seriously hurt by the force Wolverine's class 2 punches, then he is screaming out in pain because he's being cut. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
I'll say it again...Wolverine's retconned that he couldn't cut Hulk in ish 340.
So,
Wolverine thinks he can cut hulk.
Hulk thinks Wolverine can cut Hulk.AND,
unless you guys think that Hulk is seriously hurt by the force Wolverine's class 2 punches, then he is screaming out in pain because he's being cut. 😐
I hate you and I hate Wolverine. Sorry cant help it Wolverine hate....dont really mean it.......well just a bit...
