Originally posted by Jebus rebornIts quite like saying that Wonderman has to bring his arm over, and then down and then smash Wolverine with the rock.
Because Wondy had Wolverine by his throat, and Wolverine was practically KO'ed, with his claws in, and his arms by his sides.
It's what's in the comics, Wolverine wasn't stabbing him in that instance.Considering you have probably seen the scans lots of times, by practically everyone, I won't make you see it again, for no reason.
Originally posted by Jebus rebornWolverine has extended claws while moving his arm. So all it'd take is one movement. Same as Wondy.
Wondy's arm only had to be pulled forward though...
Originally posted by Jebus rebornAnd all I'm saying is you were over complicating matters.
I'm just saying, Wolverine wasn't in any position to threaten him, at that time...
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He was practically KO'ed when Wonderman was holding him, ready for the next punch.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
What do you think strikes faster:
Wonderman, who only has to pull his arm forward.Or, Wolverine, who would have to push out his claws, raise them from the sides of his body, and then stab Wonderman?
Have you seen some of Wolverine's speed feats with his hands?
I'd say feats considered he strikes a LOT faster than WM.
At least from what I've seen.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And, would also need some time to recover a bit.
And why's that, Wolverine took a beating from hulk in the Sam Keith 6 issue, and when he had enough he retaliated in full force..
In ish 145 Wolverine was in that same "nearly Koed" state, and as soon as Hulk got his neck cut open and fell to the ground Wolverine once again responded with full retaliation... He doesn't need that long to recover.. seconds if that...
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Seems pretty straight forward, Wolverine wasn't doing shit. Also, keep in mind, I'm just saying what was already said by others, not my evidence, just explaining it. So, please, don't say I brought it up, or even used it.
And yet I've given you several different examples of other's who've had Wolverine in the same boat and things didn't turn out so well for them.
I'll give you that things looked pretty grim for Wolverine, and whether he could have actually retaliated or was about to be pavement pizza is completely up for debate, which I'll admit lends itself to be in WM's favor in this particular instance. However, Wolverine WASN'T Koed, He WAS standing, and he WAS boasting by the end of it. All I've stated is what happened in the scans before and after that page, trying to keep things objective.. something that whomever posted that scan didn't apparently care for.
So I fail to see why you need to argue something where we're in agreement on.
Originally posted by CreshoskWhich would be faster than Wonderman dropping his hand against Wolvey's face?
Wolverine has extended claws while moving his arm. So all it'd take is one movement. Same as Wondy.And all I'm saying is you were over complicating matters.
No, not really, plus, the fact that Wolverine was practically out, when Wonerman was about to finish it.
Originally posted by Jebus rebornNever said anything about timing or speed. just unnecessary steps to make him seem slower.
Which would be faster than Wonderman dropping his hand against Wolvey's face?
Originally posted by Jebus rebornEh, speculation.
No, not really, plus, the fact that Wolverine was practically out, when Wonerman was about to finish it.
Originally posted by jinzinHis head was tilted back, and Wonderman was holding him up...
Dazed sure, practically KOed? Speculation.
He's been in similar situations like that and fully retaliated like in issue 145 against Hulk.
He was practically KO'ed, against Wondy in that instance.
Originally posted by jinzinYes I have, and no, I don't think he strikes faster when he's in the situation he was in.
Have you seen some of Wolverine's speed feats with his hands?
I'd say feats considered he strikes a LOT faster than WM.
At least from what I've seen.
Faster as in normal starting, maybe.
Originally posted by jinzinThe thing is, Wolverine didn't have seconds, or even a second to recover from the punch he was about to be delivered.
And why's that, Wolverine took a beating from hulk in the Sam Keith 6 issue, and when he had enough he retaliated in full force..
In ish 145 Wolverine was in that same "nearly Koed" state, and as soon as Hulk got his neck cut open and fell to the ground Wolverine once again responded with full retaliation... He doesn't need that long to recover.. seconds if that...
Yes, I know he recovered pretty fast, after Maxam grabbed him (hell, in two panels he was aware again), but, the thing is, Wonderman would have continued if not for Maxam, and Wolvey wouldn't have recovered.
Originally posted by jinzinHe was being held up, with his head tilted back...
And yet I've given you several different examples of other's who've had Wolverine in the same boat and things didn't turn out so well for them.I'll give you that things looked pretty grim for Wolverine, and whether he could have actually retaliated or was about to be pavement pizza is completely up for debate, which I'll admit lends itself to be in WM's favor in this particular instance. However, Wolverine WASN'T Koed, He WAS standing, and he WAS boasting by the end of it. All I've stated is what happened in the scans before and after that page, trying to keep things objective.. something that whomever posted that scan didn't apparently care for.
Originally posted by jinzinI never argued, in fact, following this post, I've responded twice.
So I fail to see why you need to argue something where we're in agreement on.
So, if you feel that way though, I won't respond to your next post, and we can stay in agreement, minus a tiny bit.
I just don't feel Wolverine had time to recover, or strike in that instance.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
His head was tilted back, and Wonderman was holding him up...He was practically KO'ed, against Wondy in that instance.
Sorry but he wasn't out, and he was still standing on his own power when Wondy got drilled into the ground.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Yes I have, and no, I don't think he strikes faster when he's in the situation he was in.Faster as in normal starting, maybe.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The thing is, Wolverine didn't have seconds, or even a second to recover from the punch he was about to be delivered.
Okay no I don't think Wolverine would need any time to recover to simply swing his arm.. but now I'm just speculating.
Originally posted by Jebus rebornspeculation
Yes, I know he recovered pretty fast, after Maxam grabbed him (hell, in two panels he was aware again), but, the thing is, Wonderman would have continued if not for Maxam, and Wolvey wouldn't have recovered..
Originally posted by Jebus rebornYou're acting like four panals took up some relivant amount of time... when it was more likely 2 seconds of time.
He was being held up, with his head tilted back...
He was boasting four panels after he got his last punch laid on him... while he was holding his head, with little sparkles around him.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I never argued, in fact, following this post, I've responded twice.
I just don't see Wolverine doing anything in that particular instance.So, if you feel that way though, I won't respond to your next post, and we can stay in agreement, minus a tiny bit.
I just don't feel Wolverine had time to recover, or strike in that instance.
How is a continued beating for Wolverine speculation in that instance? He was almost out cold (not speculation), was getting speedblitzed (not speculation) so Wolverine stabbing WM at that time was not going to happen, and a continued beating from Simon with a rock in his hand would have put Wolverine out for at least a little while (not speculation as Wolverine was a c@#ts hair away from a nap as it was).
Theres no speculation at all about what was going to happen.
The point is, Wolverine was dazed for at least two panels when Simon was holding him.
Had the hand not grabbed Simon's in the second panel, the rock could have already collided with Wolverine's head.
And, if Wolverine moves so much faster after a beating, I fail to see why he didn't dodge any of the blows leading up to that.
Not saying Wolvy isn't fast, I know he is, but it seems that Wondy is being underrated here...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The point is, Wolverine was dazed for at least two panels when Simon was holding him.Had the hand not grabbed Simon's in the second panel, the rock could have already collided with Wolverine's head.
And, if Wolverine moves so much faster after a beating, I fail to see why he didn't dodge any of the blows leading up to that.
Not saying Wolvy isn't fast, I know he is, but it seems that Wondy is being underrated here...
its cute how you refer to wonderman as "wondy" and wolverine as "wolvy." vin
but yea, in that fight wolverine did look as if he was dazed.
Originally posted by tkitna
How is a continued beating for Wolverine speculation in that instance? He was almost out cold (not speculation), was getting speedblitzed (not speculation) so Wolverine stabbing WM at that time was not going to happen, and a continued beating from Simon with a rock in his hand would have put Wolverine out for at least a little while (not speculation as Wolverine was a c@#ts hair away from a nap as it was).Theres no speculation at all about what was going to happen.
that entire paragraph was speculating.... except for the part where you said that wolverine was speed blitzed.. cause that's not what happened... a speed blitz occurs when someone simply isn't fast enough to react to their attacker... Wolverine COULDN'T react to his attacker not because of speed but because it was a sneak attack. 😐
And you must be hard of reading.. I agree that what we think's coming next for Wolverine is pretty grim but it's speculation anyway.... It's questionable not only due to Wolverine not being out, and being confident that he had the situation under control, but rienforced by Wolverine's history of coming back from beatings like that and asking for help when he needs it.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And, if Wolverine moves so much faster after a beating, I fail to see why he didn't dodge any of the blows leading up to that.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphNot at all.. just stating facts for what they are.. if you'll notice, no one is disagreeing with the sentiment of what was about to happen to Wolverine... We're just saying it's argueable.
Not saying Wolvy isn't fast, I know he is, but it seems that Wondy is being underrated here...