Originally posted by norrinradd43
The thunderbolts have a grade A ass beating coming from nova...I really like how marvel has moved nova up in the world...before he was just a glorified cannonball in a cool outfit...now he has powers that fit his name
I'm pretty sure Nova came before Cannonball, mid 70's as I have some of his first solo run from 77 I think.
Cannonball was new mutants which was mid 80's IIRC.
And he was Nova the human rocket then, so the name did fit the character pretty well at the time.
I liked how he took it to Diamond Head in the last issue and diposed of him within a panel, all the beatings Nova took from Diamond Head back in the day it was nice for me to see that! 馃槃
As for the fight, Rich still has yet to go all out, Super Nova who had the same power as him was indeed holding his own against the FF, Avengers West, Avengers East and Firelord.
But Rich isn't insane like him, given time this fight could be different but right now, I say Thor can take it.
First off this whole thread and the majority of the people posting in it equate to this. = 馃槅
Originally posted by carver9
I know everything about thor. He is like my favorite hero right now but I still see nova winning some. This isnt superman, nova control energy on a level that is unbelievable. Thor is going to win some but he would also lose some due to nova just being a step below him in power, just not enough to make a difference.
Your knowledge of Thor equals nothing.
The guy admittedly said that he was inferior to heralds, and his energy manipulation feats equate to little.
Originally posted by norrinradd43
Nova was able to shield himself from one of the most powerful blasts galactus ever let out which is probably more power than thor can muster....plus nova could probably dodge mjolnir I think nova wins 7/10
Galactus most powerful blast? All he did was destroy a few star systems, a little more than a Galaxy. Far from Galactus most powerful blast.
Nova could dodge Mjolnir? Since when did Nova get ftl refelxes?
Thor will crack Nova twice with the hammer and then it's lights out. Nova needs better victories he barely beat Annhlius.
Crack Nova twice and it's lights out? Nova was hit with a f'in multiple star-system destroying blast that was felt across the universe and was for the most part okay, yet you think Mjolnir would knock him out in 2 strikes? You're crazy.
A high-powered Annihilus, who beat herald level beings such as Quasar and Phyla with the Q-Bands in a matter of a page without breaking a sweat. Nova beat that guy who killed Quasar with ease. That's impressive, whether he barely managed to beat him or not.
don't get me wrong I like Nova but he is not there yet, Thor is top tier until Nova goes head up with Silver Surfer, Thor, Classic Quasar then we can talk he could barely handled annilhus, but one thing I want Nova to thrash The thunderbolts with extreme prejudice.
Okay, Annihilus owned the shit out of Quasar himself, and Nova beat Annihilus. Annihilus also one-shotted Phyla whose around Thor/Surfer level without the Q-Bands, so with the Q-Bands she's powerful as hell. Nova is more powerful than Thor/Surfer, etc, the only thing that hurts him is he's not that experienced with all this power.
The guy admittedly said that he was inferior to heralds, and his energy manipulation feats equate to little.
Thor has admitted to be inferior to Firelord on more than occasion first off. Secondly, Nova only said the heralds were the only ones who could match Ravenous' power because Nova didnt want to have to go all out because he didnt want to go nuts again. That's why he was holding back throughout the entire mainstream Annihilation series until the last issue when he fought (and killed) Annihilus. Nova is actually more powerful than those heralds which was clearly shown, he just was scared to go all out and lose control again like he did in his mini. And he was very impressive energy feats for a character with such a small amount of appearances.
Galactus most powerful blast? All he did was destroy a few star systems, a little more than a Galaxy. Far from Galactus most powerful blast.
Um, that was EASILY Galactus' most powerful blast he ever let out. Look at what Surfer showed. Characters all around the universe, light years and Galaxies away were feeling that blast. The blast was felt all the way across the universe, and destroyed multiple star systems. The only blast Galactus has ever let out that even comes close to that is destroying one galaxy when fighting Tyrant. And Nova survived that blast, as well as shielded Phyla and Peter Quill from it as well.
Nova could dodge Mjolnir? Since when did Nova get ftl refelxes?
Dude, Nova flies so fast that he rips portals (aka stargates) through the fabric of space. I dont doubt that Thor could nail Nova with Mjolnir, but it wouldnt be easy by any means, it would be very difficult.
Nova wins a solid majority.
Originally posted by Photon009
Beat Annihilus, who owned Quasar without breaking a sweat and also one-shotted Phyla with the Q-Bands. Shielded himself and Phyla and Peter Quill also from Galactus' big star system-destroying blast. Being off the scale in Power according to Iron Man. One-shotting PlanetFall (the name explains how powerful he is). Being described by Annihilus to, even when Nova was very new and inexperienced with his power, more powerful than Quasar. Need i go on?One more thing. Back when Garthaan Saal had the EXACT SAME POWER as Nova has now, he took on the combined forces of the Fantastic Four, Avengers, and many others and held his own. Among the ranks were many big guns such as Wonder Man, Firelord, Thor, Quasar, Spikey Thing, Iron Man, etc
Iron Man, Thing and Wonder man aren't big guns.
Thor takes this.
Originally posted by llagrok
Iron Man, Thing and Wonder man aren't big guns.Thor takes this.
Iron Man is a big gun, not really in power, but in resourcefulness and helpfulness in a battle yes he is always a big factor. Wonder Man is probably in the Top 5 strongest Avengers ever, only below Thor, Sentry, Hercules, and maybe one or two more Avengers. So yes Wonder Man IS a big gun also. And at the time when Thing was all Spikey and even more mutated, he was performing Hulk-level feats left and right, such as throwing a bomb into the stratosphere or beating the Gray Hulk for example. So yes those 3 are big guns.
And on top of that there's no arguing that Firelord, Thor, and Quasar are some of the biggest guns you can get on a hero team. And all 3 were there and could barely damage Super Nova.
Thor is light years ahead of Nova in all around abilities, it still doesn't change that Nova with his upgrade couldn't handle Annhlius if it wasn't for Phyla interfering like she did Annhlius would have absorbed Nova also. Nova has really fought anybody of Thor, Silver Surfer, caliber he has great potential but he not there yet, Thor will still take the overwhelming majority from Nova. Thor 7/10
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor is light years ahead of Nova in all around abilities, it still doesn't change that Nova with his upgrade couldn't handle Annhlius if it wasn't for Phyla interfering like she did Annhlius would have absorbed Nova also. Nova has really fought anybody of Thor, Silver Surfer, caliber he has great potential but he not there yet, Thor will still take the overwhelming majority from Nova. Thor 7/10
The new, powered up Annihilus from Annihilation >>>>>>>>> Thor. Your whole post is laughable.
Originally posted by Photon009
The new, powered up 馃えAnnihilus from Annihilation >>>>>>>>> Thor. My whole post is laughable.
Annihilus wouldn't be greater than Thor, dude Thor and Quasar fought before and stalemated each other, Thor Annihilus would stalemate each other both have great energy absorption feats. Annihhilus with quantum bands would be at Silver Surfer level/ Thor, since Silver Surfer and Annihilus never fought we will never know.
But putting Nova at Thor/Silver Surfer level is prematurely let's see what he is made of first before before throwing him in battles with top tiesr with feats on top feats, I like Nova like I said he's not there yet.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Annihilus wouldn't be greater than Thor, dude Thor and Quasar fought before and stalemated each other, Thor Annihilus would stalemate each other both have great energy absorption feats. Annihhilus with quantum bands would be at Silver Surfer level/ Thor, since Silver Surfer and Annihilus never fought we will never know.But putting Nova at Thor/Silver Surfer level is prematurely let's see what he is made of first before before throwing him in battles with top tiesr with feats on top feats, I like Nova like I said he's not there yet.
Dude did you even read Annihilation? Cause it doesnt seem like it. Yes, Thor and Quasar have fought before and stalemated. Also, in Avengers Infinity Quasar was referred to as being more powerful than Thor. And ANNIHILUS COMPLETELY OWNED QUASAR, killed him with extreme ease, without even breaking a sweat. Thor would get killed just as if not easier than Quasar did by Annihilus. And Annihilus with the Quantum Bands was more around Thanos-level than herald level, hell, Annihilus without the Q-Bands was even way over herald level doing shit like killing Quasar with ease whose on par with Surfer and one-shotting Phyla w/ the Q-Bands whose also around that level. And Nova beat Annihilus once he got rid of the Q-Bands Also, Annihilus' lackey, Ravenous, was giving Surfer quite a bit of trouble on his own much less Annihilus himself. And back when Nova had the full Nova force years ago, he beat the shit out of Air-Walker Robot and then tussled with Firelord a little bit and was shown superior, not to mention the Garthaan Saal feats of holding his own against Thor, Firelord, Quasar, and the Avengers and FF all at the same time. Nova > Thor. End of story.
Originally posted by Photon009
Dude did you even read Annihilation? Cause it doesnt seem like it. Yes, Thor and Quasar have fought before and stalemated. Also, in Avengers Infinity Quasar was referred to as being more powerful than Thor. And ANNIHILUS COMPLETELY OWNED QUASAR, killed him with extreme ease, without even breaking a sweat. Thor would get killed just as if not easier than Quasar did by Annihilus. And Annihilus with the Quantum Bands was more around Thanos-level than herald level, hell, Annihilus without the Q-Bands was even way over herald level doing shit like killing Quasar with ease whose on par with Surfer and one-shotting Phyla w/ the Q-Bands whose also around that level. And Nova beat Annihilus once he got rid of the Q-Bands Also, Annihilus' lackey, Ravenous, was giving Surfer quite a bit of trouble on his own much less Annihilus himself. And back when Nova had the full Nova force years ago, he beat the shit out of Air-Walker Robot and then tussled with Firelord a little bit and was shown superior, not to mention the Garthaan Saal feats of holding his own against Thor, Firelord, Quasar, and the Avengers and FF all at the same time. Nova > Thor. End of story.
Dude I have the whole story, let's don't insults now that is plain childish.
Dud are you f**king serious Nova is no where >>>> than Thor馃え you are smoking, Thor has fought sky-fathers, god killers, cosmic beings let's dont start that bullsh**. Thor fought Sutur who will eat Nova like a butterfinger, Thor fighting Ego, Galactus, Celestails, Destroyer, Mangog etc the list goes on, I can name handful of beings that Thor has fought and beaten that will open can of whoop a$$ on him please. And it's not the end of the story.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I can't believe people are actually using that Nova/Annihilus fight as evidence...
Unless Thor has a massively gaping mouth, that fight is completely irrelevent, because Nova did nothing to Annihilus, except plot-device him.
Hello, like I'm saying let's wait and see. Nova will still get smoke by classic quasar and other top tiers.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Dude I have the whole story, let's don't insults now that is plain childish.Dud are you f**king serious Nova is no where >>>> than Thor馃え you are smoking, Thor has fought sky-fathers, god killers, cosmic beings let's dont start that bullsh**. Thor fought Sutur who will eat Nova like a butterfinger, Thor fighting Ego, Galactus, Celestails, Destroyer, Mangog etc the list goes on, I can name handful of beings that Thor has fought and beaten that will open can of whoop a$$ on him please. And it's not the end of the story.
Ego sucks.
Destroyer sucks.
Thor needed the godblast against a dying-of-hunger Galactus.
Thor needed the godblast against Exitar the celestial.
Thor needed the godblast to beat Mangog the one time he won. All the other times Thor gets his ass kicked.
Nova wins. Really, it's not even worth debating anymore you're too hardheaded.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Hello, like I'm saying let's wait and see. Nova will still get smoke by classic quasar and other top tiers.
Dude what dont you understand about this?
-Annihilus owned Quasar badly. Killed him in one page.
-Nova killed that very same Annihilus.
Explain to me how that means Quasar would beat Nova because it doesnt make any sense to me.