Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Annil didn't protect himself though, and was almost right at ground zero...Also, the Nova fight, was nothing for Nova to be bragging about. All he did, was stick his hand in his big gaping mouth... something Thor doesn't have. Other than that, he got his ass kicked.
YOu forgeot Nova was in the ICU for a while, Thor would have put his a$$ in a coma if he fought Thor like that.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Annil didn't protect himself though, and was almost right at ground zero...Also, the Nova fight, was nothing for Nova to be bragging about. All he did, was stick his hand in his big gaping mouth... something Thor doesn't have. Other than that, he got his ass kicked.
Nova beating Annihilus, no matter how, as long as it's under his own power, which it was, is very impressive, considering Annihilus (WITHOUT THE Q-BANDS) killed Quasar with ease, and one-shotted Phyla even after she stole the Q-Bands from him.
And Nova was nearby also, and wasnt shown putting a shield up either. Neither Nova nor Annihilus were shown with shields up.
And just for the record im not a fanboy at all, im just stating facts that others such as Darkone either ignore or are just too stupid to see.
Originally posted by Photon009He beat him by a plot-device, not by being more powerful, or even close to being as powerful. It's not that impressive, just a cool feat.
Nova beating Annihilus, no matter how, as long as it's under his own power, which it was, is very impressive, considering Annihilus (WITHOUT THE Q-BANDS) killed Quasar with ease, and one-shotted Phyla even after she stole the Q-Bands from him.And Nova was nearby also, and wasnt shown putting a shield up either. Neither Nova nor Annihilus were shown with shields up.
But... you just said Nova shielded himself from the blast...
Originally posted by Photon009
Except, you know, NOVA WAS HIT WITH THE SAME GALACTUS BLAST THAT HIT ANNIHILUS, and on top of himself, Nova also protected Phyla and Peter Quill, so the excuse of Annihilus being weakened simply doesnt work.
This is so sad, Nova barely beaten Annihilus and now all of sudden he can battle Thor in head to head battle that is down right ridiculous. Nova is not strong enough or durable enough to take on Thor in a all out battle, until I see him battled and stalemate Silver Surfer or other top tiers he still got a lot aways to go.
Originally posted by the Darkone
This is so sad, Nova barely beaten Annihilus and now all of sudden he can battle Thor in head to head battle that is down right ridiculous. Nova is not strong enough or durable enough to take on Thor in a all out battle, until I see him battled and stalemate Silver Surfer or other top tiers he still got a lot aways to go.
Well, the thing is, Surfer should beat Thor just about every time too, unless Thor gets in one of his overpowered Hammer attacks. Beta Ray Bill's status opposite Thor is always hotly debated, but I don't think anyone would argue their physical stats are at vastly different levels.. Yet, Thor can tank Surfers attacks, while Bill gets put down rather easily? IMO, that's less because of Thor's power levels, and more because of internal politics.. Thor's a flagship character, and Bill is not, so Thor will hold his own while Bill won't...
Physically, Thor's a high end class 100 brick on par with your Superman, Captain Marvel, Hulk sorts.. Surfers on a different level. (Again, physically. Thor's hammer is capable of hurting characters far past his own durability level, though.)
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, the thing is, Surfer should beat Thor just about every time too, unless Thor gets in one of his overpowered Hammer attacks. Beta Ray Bill's status opposite Thor is always hotly debated, but I don't think anyone would argue their physical stats are at vastly different levels.. Yet, Thor can tank Surfers attacks, while Bill gets put down rather easily? IMO, that's less because of Thor's power levels, and more because of internal politics.. Thor's a flagship character, and Bill is not, so Thor will hold his own while Bill won't...Physically, Thor's a high end class 100 brick on par with your Superman, Captain Marvel, Hulk sorts.. Surfers on a different level. (Again, physically. Thor's hammer is capable of hurting characters far past his own durability level, though.)
Surfer should beat Thor about as many times as he has in the comics. And while people are quick to point out that Surfer doesn't use his versatility against Thor, neither does Thor use his higher end power output or his own versatility against Surfer.
As far as Bill goes, at Bill's best, he's equal to Thor. At Thor's best, he's another step above Bill. That's not Marvel politics making it so, but rather feats and the consistent history of them.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He beat him by a plot-device, not by being more powerful, or even close to being as powerful. It's not that impressive, just a cool feat.But... you just said Nova shielded himself from the blast...
I don't remember if they made it explicit or not.. I'd vote he had to use his shields, as I've never seen anything on Nova's base durability being particularly high..
But, Nova's full power shields are strong... Strong enough to let him fly head first into a blast by two Ka Stones, which were powerful enough to alter reality on a universal level. 馃檪
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Surfer should beat Thor about as many times as he has in the comics. And while people are quick to point out that Surfer doesn't use his versatility against Thor, neither does Thor use his higher end power output or his own versatility against Surfer.As far as Bill goes, at Bill's best, he's equal to Thor. At Thor's best, he's another step above Bill. That's not Marvel politics making it so, but rather feats and the consistent history of them.
But I'm talking about sheer durability, and not Thor vs Bill overall status..
Overall, you could argue Thor has better versatility with his hammer, or better powers, or better experience. But I don't think one could argue Thor is more durable.. (Stronger, perhaps..)
And the reason why I say Thor beating Surfer is due to politics, is because imo Surfers power blasts are strong enough to beat even high end bricks.. Under good writing, if, say, Superman faced Surfer, and Surfer hit Superman with his most powerful blast, Superman should go down. Surfers power blasts are THAT powerful.. They should shred through high end class 100 brick durability like a hit knife through butter.
Originally posted by cdtm
But I'm talking about sheer durability, and not Thor vs Bill overall status..Overall, you could argue Thor has better versatility with his hammer, or better powers, or better experience. But I don't think one could argue Thor is more durable.. (Stronger, perhaps..)
And the reason why I say Thor beating Surfer is due to politics, is because imo Surfers power blasts are strong enough to beat even high end bricks.. Under good writing, if, say, Superman faced Surfer, and Surfer hit Superman with his most powerful blast, Superman should go down. Surfers power blasts are THAT powerful.. They should shred through high end class 100 brick durability like a hit knife through butter.
By feats, he is more durable. He's taken greater attacks and punishment than Bill has. Now, you could argue that Thor has more appearances, ergo he has an unfair advantage against Bill in that regard, but someone with even less appearances such as say, Plutonian, has enough to know he's beyond the likes of either Thor or Bill.
Surfer's blasts are strong enough to mess up elite bricks, sure. So are Thor's attacks, which have either one shot killed said bricks or have gone on to cripple and maim skyfather level beings and beyond. And of course, if you compare Surfer's strongest blast ever to Superman's toughest durability showing ever, it's going to be a wash, anyway.
Originally posted by cdtm
I don't remember if they made it explicit or not.. I'd vote he had to use his shields, as I've never seen anything on Nova's base durability being particularly high..But, Nova's full power shields are strong... Strong enough to let him fly head first into a blast by two Ka Stones, which were powerful enough to alter reality on a universal level. 馃檪
This is from 5 years ago fam when people were still arguing that Annihlus tanked the galactus event head on without shields. I beat that argument to cobbler in the Nova vs Supergirl thread a while back. It's a complete myth.
And Nova has always been portrayed with elite durability even sans shields. The shields were first mentioned way back in Nova #23 in 1977 iirc. Nova used to try and tank everything with just his durability, but Dr. Sun mentioned to him that if he knew how to utilize his powers better he'd have been able to erect a shield to block his energy attacks or some such. That never came into fruition until Annihilation #6 lol. Funnily enough, during the Galactus blast lol. Nice touch Mr. Giffen.