DC's vs Marvel's Heavyweights

I may not read DC as must as the next guy, but how often does Flash actually "potion out" his speed? I'm not arguing that he can't do it, because I know he can, I'm just wondering how likely he is to actually do it.

I mean, half the time when the JLA prepares for a fight, you don't see Hal making constructs and Flash giving everyone the speedforce...CIS is still on.

Also, if everyone gets to prep in the Batcave and in the Fortress, does that mean Thor gets to prep in Asgard? Does Gladiator get the entire Shi'ar Empire to help him in his prep?

Also, Hulk isn't too shabby at prep...look what he's pulled together for WWH.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
WW's been around a long time. Current Flash has a photographic memory and absorbed all the info in an entire library. Imagine what happens if you put him in the Batcave.

Thor's TimeManip was removed wasn't it? What are SS's TimeManip feats?

What makes you think Champ could hold the hammer?

You're ignoring that DC will probably be in the Fortress and Cave the whole time too. Flash will be portioning out speed to the whole group. GL will be making everything the team needs. Batman will be planning out tactics and giving out tech (motherbox anyone?). Superman has a bunch of robots to help. WW has a fair share of magical artifacts.

If they really needed to they could also thow everything on one person and go for the overwhelming ,move too.

and yes Thor has lost his time effects I just like saying it to scare people 😖hifty: but it doesn't change the fact that they can always transfer to a dimension that doesn't possess time 😛

And it wasn't Champ it was Cain aka Juggernaut. And seeing as Odin can allow whoever he wishes to wield the hammer and Thor is his son of course he will let Cain use it for this fight.

And I don't think you quite understand what this team has access to. Silver Surfer can make everything his team needs probably better than the GL. Thor has access to vast magical items of his own and powerful magic spells. And while they have the Fortress and the Cave this group has Asgard and Galactus' Ship.

Heck Hulk in Prep is Bruce Banner who is no pushover in intellect.

By the way DC only get Batman for c) not b) so Batman is useless in the scenario we talked about 😬

By the way Silver Surfer just merges with Eternity again for the win Juntai 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
That doesn't make you a genius just because you can memorize things dogs can also memorize things

and yes Thor has lost his time effects I just like saying it to scare people 😖hifty: but it doesn't change the fact that they can always transfer to a dimension that doesn't possess time 😛

And it wasn't Champ it was Cain aka Juggernaut. And seeing as Odin can allow whoever he wishes to wield the hammer and Thor is his son of course he will let Cain use it for this fight.

And I don't think you quite understand what this team has access to. Silver Surfer can make everything his team needs probably better than the GL. Thor has access to vast magical items of his own and powerful magic spells. And while they have the Fortress and the Cave this group has Asgard and Galactus' Ship.

Heck Hulk in Prep is Bruce Banner who is no pushover in intellect.

By the way DC only get Batman for c) not b) so Batman is useless in the scenario we talked about 😬

By the way Silver Surfer just merges with Eternity again for the win Juntai 😛

What the hell would Juggernaut do with the Mjolnir????
He can't touch any of those guys.

Originally posted by Estacado
What the hell would Juggernaut do with the Mjolnir????
He can't touch any of those guys.

Ah, the thread got stupid a while back, taking the characters merely as what they are, I still say DC, DC, DC, Marvel. But if we want to take the retarded approach, Hal alone wins via OA Battery absorbtion.

Originally posted by Juntai
Ah, the thread got stupid a while back, taking the characters merely as what they are, I still say DC, DC, DC, Marvel. But if we want to take the retarded approach, Hal alone wins via OA Battery absorbtion.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do realize everything I said could have been done in actual prep without having to go anywhere you or was it someone else started talking about going to The Fortress and stuff like that. So in essence you made this thread screwy 😛

The thread got dumb once you and Janus came up with Surfer turning the team all into heralds, and trying to convince people Thor and Surfer can control time. And that Juggs would come to battle holding Thor's hammer. 🙄

Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, I didn't say anything about the Fortress or the speedprepping stuff.

The thread got dumb once you and Janus came up with Surfer turning the team all into heralds, and trying to convince people Thor and Surfer can control time. And that Juggs would come to battle holding Thor's hammer. 🙄

Bu t I said Silver Surfer could and has shown the ability to transfer his power to other beings and other people besides Thor has held his hammer before.

None of it is actually that far fetched in fact non of it is far fetched at all seeing as it has all happened before.

But yes you guys were the ones talking about doing all this leaving the prep area and talking about geniuses like it matters. The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer can both do more than Hal can and seeing as he is the only person on your team that has a power like SS or Thor's hammer it wa sa good assumption that they will out prep DC 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
I never said Surfer would turn them all into heralds maybe you should reread or learn to read 😛

Bu t I said Silver Surfer could and has shown the ability to transfer his power to other beings and other people besides Thor has held his hammer before.

None of it is actually that far fetched in fact non of it is far fetched at all seeing as it has all happened before.

But yes you guys were the ones talking about doing all this leaving the prep area and talking about geniuses like it matters. The fact is Thor and Silver Surfer can both do more than Hal can and seeing as he is the only person on your team that has a power like SS or Thor's hammer it wa sa good assumption that they will out prep DC 😬

I never said anything close to what you're talking about. You're pinning the tail on the wrong donkey. The only mention I did of speedforce prepping and all was just in clarification to another poster, then brushed it aside saying "I wasn't even taking that into account".

What do mean leaving the prep area? I never said anything about leaving a prep area. Shit, I didn't even know there was a 'prep area'. But about the resources, assuming that's what you're talking about. Try reading forum rules that they "are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them.". OK? OK.

And one team being a lot more intelligent overall than the other team doesn't matter in prepping? Since when? Since you said so? DC's team is all above agerage intellect and up. Most of Marvel's team can barely comprehend adjective and subject/verb agreement, let alone a serious plan.

I trace the thread going sour directly back to your posts detailing;
1) Juggs wielding Thors hammer.
2) Sharing power cosmic.[Although feasible, it's unlikely, and I won't even get into Janus following you up with "Surfer turns them into heralds of equal power" crap.]
3) Surfer and Thor will control time.
4) Champion sharing power primodial [Has this guy ever done anything useful with the power primordial besides get his primordial ass beat?]

Originally posted by Juntai
OK then, it's not far fetched, Hal has also absorbed the OA battery and wiped existance and erased people from time before. Therefore not farfetched right? Good.

I never said anything close to what you're talking about. You're pinning the tail on the wrong donkey. The only mention I did of speedforce prepping and all was just in clarification to another poster, then brushed it aside saying "I wasn't even taking that into account".

What do mean leaving the prep area? I never said anything about leaving a prep area. Shit, I didn't even know there was a 'prep area'. But about the resources, assuming that's what you're talking about. Try reading forum rules that they "are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them.". OK? OK.

And one team being a lot more intelligent overall than the other team doesn't matter in prepping? Since when? Since you said so? DC's team is all above agerage intellect and up. Most of Marvel's team can barely comprehend adjective/verb agreement, let alone a serious plan.

I trace the thread going sour directly back to your posts detailing;
1) Juggs wielding Thors hammer.
2) Sharing power cosmic.[Although feasible, it's unlikely, and I won't even get into Janus following you up with "Surfer turns them into heralds of equal power" crap.]
3) Surfer and Thor will control time.
4) Champion sharing power primodial [Has this guy ever done anything useful with the power primordial besides get his primordial ass beat?]

And you did talk about leaving the prep area once you started talking about the Fortress and the Cave ot maybe that was someone else.

And yes in this instance one team's intellect really doesn't matter because most of them won't be able to contribute to any kind of prep. The only person on your team that can is Hal because of the ring. Marvel has two people that can do it.

And everything I said can and would be capable of happening so why would that make the thread sour 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
Last time I checked Hal doesn't carry the OA battery on him 😛

And you did talk about leaving the prep area once you started talking about the Fortress and the Cave ot maybe that was someone else.

And yes in this instance one team's intellect really doesn't matter because most of them won't be able to contribute to any kind of prep. The only person on your team that can is Hal because of the ring. Marvel has two people that can do it.

And everything I said can and would be capable of happening so why would that make the thread sour 😬

Since when did you have be Surfer or Thor or Lantern to execute a plan in combat? That's mostly what prep is.

Intelligence and strategy play a HUGE part. Noting the intelligence difference in teams, and the fact the JLA works as a team every day, while the Marvel team is a random group, also leans heavily in their favor.

If you can't see where you began turn it sour after my last post, that's on you, because it's clear to me.

Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't say it.

Since when did you have be Surfer or Thor or Lantern to execute a plan in combat? That's mostly what prep is.

Intelligence and strategy play a HUGE part. Noting the intelligence difference in teams, and the fact the JLA works as a team every day, while the Marvel team is a random group, also leans heavily in their favor.

The fact of the matter is when it comes to power meshing and optimizing your team DC only has GL you can do that. Marvel has two people that can do that. 😬

Is it possible that with prep Juggernaut can become Trion Lv's?

Originally posted by His Airness
Is it possible that with prep Juggernaut can become Trion Lv's?

His team can make Cain Marko Thor+Silver Surfer+Juggernaut and SS can absorb the power from Champion and give it to Cain as well.

Hal can create more rings, giving everyone a full load on every finger. All fully functional at the same level.
Flash can share speedforce and time displacement.
Martian Manhunter mindlinks enable coordinating attacks uncomparable, especially when noting the team has been doing such for a long time, and already works better together than the other team regardless.
Lobo can create an indefinite amount of clones, Hal can load them all up with rings.
They create an entire Corp. Flash makes them all think in hyperspeed for purposes of ringslinging, and Martian Manhunter makes them all of one mind.

With them dumping their power into one guy, the team gets railroaded in less than a second, leaving only Cain, and even he would eventually go down.

Bart soloes it?

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal can create more rings, giving everyone a full load on every finger. All fully functional at the same level.
Flash can share speedforce and time displacement.
Martian Manhunter mindlinks enable coordinating attacks uncomparable, especially when noting the team has been doing such for a long time, and already works better together than the other team regardless.
Lobo can create an indefinite amount of clones, Hal can load them all up with rings.
They create an entire Corp. Flash makes them all think in hyperspeed for purposes of ringslinging, and Martian Manhunter makes them all of one mind.

With them dumping their power into one guy, the team gets railroaded in less than a second, leaving only Cain, and even he would eventually go down.

Originally posted by Newjak
Silver Surfer+Juggernaut+Thor+Championship+Hulk Gamma Radiation>then all that 😛

Originally posted by Juntai
I disagree.