1. Karkko, Vos's Force Lightning did absolutely nothing to him, and he was able to disappear and reappear in a different place, and called himself a master of the dark side. What is Kenobi's greatest feat. with the Force?
2. Close, I'm not really sure.
3. Karkko wins, he went up against 6 Council members at once, and although he lost the duel was described as great. I doubt Kenobi could put up a great fight against 6 council members at once, okay at best.
1. What has Volfe Karkko done with the Force that is this impressive and he has never met someone as good as Kenobi. I am undecided in this match.
2. Obi-Wan- he is one of the greatest saber dualist ever, what has Volfe Karkko done with sabers, or who commented on his skill as being one of the best- nobody.
3. Obi-Wan- Even if Volfe Karkko is more powerful, in the Force, or has greater mastery then Kenobi, it will not bring him victory so it will have to go to sabers, where Kenobi would pwn him.
1. What has Volfe Karkko done with the Force that is this impressive and he has never met someone as good as Kenobi. I am undecided in this match.
2. Obi-Wan- he is one of the greatest saber dualist ever, what has Volfe Karkko done with sabers, or who commented on his skill as being one of the best- nobody.
Now, could Kenobi put up a great fight against 6 council members at once? Maybe, in a lightsaber duel only, but I have my doubts.
3. Obi-Wan- Even if Volfe Karkko is more powerful, in the Force, or has greater mastery then Kenobi, it will not bring him victory so it will have to go to sabers, where Kenobi would pwn him.
Edit: My mistake, I don't know why I thought it was 6 council members, now I realise that it was only 5, but still, that's good.
Originally posted by darthsith19
A better question would be, what has Kenobi done with the Force to be considered above Karkko?
Blasted his fair share of droids during the Clone Wars with the Force. Deflected fire using only his hand. Deflected blaster bolts using only his hand. Crushed Guns. Used the force to kill off nasty parasites, even when beaten and wearing a force-supressing mask. Ragdolled Greivous. Made Durge explode. Stalemated a certain child of the force who was fully emerged in the darkside.
The energy emitting from a sparring session with Anakin made the surroundings levitate. He learned from Qui Gon (who can make people pass out with a touch).
Etc.
A better question would be, what has Kenobi done with the Force to be considered above Karkko?that force lighting Volfe is shooting there would certainly not put him over Kenobi, and if you post the rest of that fight with Vos, you see that Vos eventually did defeat him, with some "mental" help, that Kenobi would not need, and cut him in half.
Kenobi is atleast close w/ him in the force, and no question better with the saber, Obi- wan wins.
Blasted his fair share of droids during the Clone Wars with the Force.
Deflected fire using only his hand. Deflected blaster bolts using only his hand.
Crushed Guns. Used the force to kill off nasty parasites, even when beaten and wearing a force-supressing mask.
Ragdolled Greivous. Made Durge explode. Stalemated a certain child of the force who was fully emerged in the darkside.
Durge exploding was in the cartoon, it exaggerates the powers of the Jedi. When he stalemated Anakin's Force Push, Anakin wasn't thinking clearly, and Obi-Wan seemed to fly backwards with more force (he went further, didn't get up as quickly, ect.) so I'm not so sure that that was truly a stalemate.
The energy emitting from a sparring session with Anakin made the surroundings levitate. He learned from Qui Gon (who can make people pass out with a touch).
Most of the stuff that you named isn't very impressive, anyways, disappearing and reappearing in a different palce is more impressive that any of those things that Kenobi had done.
that force lighting Volfe is shooting there would certainly not put him over Kenobi, and if you post the rest of that fight with Vos, you see that Vos eventually did defeat him, with some "mental" help, that Kenobi would not need, and cut him in half.
Kenobi is atleast close w/ him in the force, and no question better with the saber, Obi- wan wins.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Blasted droids with the Force? When? This better not have happened during the cartoon...
This was in the cartoon, but still, neither of those things are impressive, any capable Force User can block blaster fire, as for fire, I don't see how it would be any harder than pushing metal back or any other substance of equal inertia.
Crushed guns when?
Killed those parasites when? Are you talking about when he was wearing a torture mask?
Ragdolled a non-Force Sensative Droid with the Force, wow, really impressive. 🙄
Durge exploding was in the cartoon, it exaggerates the powers of the Jedi.
When he stalemated Anakin's Force Push, Anakin wasn't thinking clearly, and Obi-Wan seemed to fly backwards with more force (he went further, didn't get up as quickly, ect.) so I'm not so sure that that was truly a stalemate.
When?
Most of the stuff that you named isn't very impressive, anyways, disappearing and reappearing in a different palce is more impressive that any of those things that Kenobi had done.
The force advantage is non existant, and even if there was one, it wouldn't be enough to claim the win over Obi Wan "I can block 18 hits per second and I am precise down to the milimeter" Kenobi in a lightsaber match.
It did, and the cartoon is canon and measures up with a character's powers and abilities, there is no contradiction. You saying that you don't want people to be as good as they actually are doesn't really matter to me.
He deflected energy in either case, plus he has a lightsaber, I don't see force lightning doing much, is my point.
Against Durge, after he blocked bullets with the force, in the cartoon.
Indeed.
He flung him pretty freaking hard. It is impressive.
It happened, get over it. It is withing Kenobis power level, seeing as how he did it.
It was close enough to a stalemate, and Anakin was very powerful due to using his rage.
Obsession.
Kenobi could fight blindfolded before he was a padawan, I don't think that really matters.
The force advantage is non existant, and even if there was one, it wouldn't be enough to claim the win over Obi Wan "I can block 18 hits per second and I am precise down to the milimeter" Kenobi in a lightsaber match.
Originally posted by darthsith19
So then Mace can really defeat an entire droid army without a lightsaber? So what happened in AOTC, then, how come he didn't kill all the droids in the Geonosian Arena by himself?
Okay, but what about Karkko disappearing and reappearing somewhere else, that is above anything that Kenobi has done, plus Vos's lightning didn't affect him at all. And actually Karkko's lightning will effect Kenobi in their Force duel, since Kenobi doesn't have a lightsaber to block it with.
Crushing metal isn't that great, anyways.
I don't remember him using the Force to kill any parasites, could you post a link.
And how long did it take him to gather that big a push?About half a second.
If he tried to do that on Karkko, Karkko could kill him with a blade while he was trying to do that, or with lightning if it was during their Force duel.
Okay, and how long did it take for Kenobi to charge up such a strong atatck that, nonetheless, isn't as impressive as disappearing and reappearing somewhere else, and remember that Karkko did that in his weakened state.
Okay, yes it was close to a stalemate, full strength Karkko could likely be close as well, though, and how does being enraged increase Anakin's Force Powers.
I'll have to check.
The hell... what does fighting blindfolded have to do with Karkk disappearing and reappearing somewhere else? And anyone can fight blindfolded, you know, just not as well.
So then could Kenobi take on 5 Council memebrs at once and put up a great fight?
And wasn't it only EU Grievous that struck 18 hits per second, not ROTS Grievous? Plus he was only able to do that because of Soresu.Nope, it was in the ROTS novel, Greivous actually got to twenty hits per second, but itt was more than Kenobi could handle, so he cut off Greivous' hands. And yes, it was due to Soresu, a form that he mastered, your point?
It would be a dispute to see if ROTS Anakin was more powerful. Obi-Wan had an advantage against Anakin because Anakin in rage was impatient and didn't think about his blows much as he attacked. Obi-Wan took use of this, and plus his lightsaber style helped him as well.
Added to that Obi-Wan didn't really defeat Anakin in a fair duel, but rather in a duel of the high and low grounds. Anakin in rage could not think straight nor make smart choices, therefore why in rage he killed Padme and then foolishly and arrogantly jumped up to Obi-Wan's high land.