Volfe Karkko v ROTS Obi-Wan

Started by darthsith192 pages

I'm not going to pretend to know why. It could be that he was worried about the other Jedi, plus he spent a lot of time worrying abotu Jango and the Reek.

So he was a thousand tmes weaker because he was worried? Very convincing. 🙄
In an overall fight, I meant.

Okay, but he could still possible do something to Kenobi like Dooku did to Bulq, hitting him with lightning after opening his defenses with a blade. But you agree that Volfe wins the Force duel, then?
It's pretty impresssive to do it with the flick of a wrist.

Not really. Vader when he first gets in the suit crushes several metal objects at once, and he's only of avg. skill at that point in his life.
I can't seem to get any comics from swtimeline... If you know how to, it would be appreciated.

The only ones I can't find are the Old Republic comics. If you go there you see books, right? And for say Clone Wars era the end looks something like this:
main=bClone

Change the b to a c and it goes to comics. I figured that out last winter.

About half a second.

it was more like a full second, the point is, it wasn't just a regular Force Push.

Doubt it, seeign as how he can put that kind of energy into his force shield.

And how's he going to win if he's spending the entire fight embedded in a Force Shield? And prove that a Force Shield can block lightning.

Now, this is just me, but I feel like blowing someone up is a tad more impressive in a combat situatiation.

Okay, but it took Kenobi a while to do that, by the time he got around to it Karkko could have lightning-fried his ass 10 (exaggeration) times over.

It's a well known fact that giving into rage makes you more powerful.

In a saber duel, yes, now prove that it increases your Force skills.

Okay, it was when they were both not focused on their sparring.

Yes, but they were both angry. Their energies were lifting the objects, yes. I don't see how this will help Kenobi in either a saber of Force duel, however, against Karkko.

Kenobi could fight well blindfolded as a youngling.

Okay. So what?

No doubt about it, as long as the members aren't Mace, Anakin or Yoda.

That's ridiculous if you really think he could put up a great fight against 5 Council members at once.

Nope, it was in the ROTS novel, Greivous actually got to twenty hits per second, but itt was more than Kenobi could handle, so he cut off Greivous' hands. And yes, it was due to Soresu, a form that he mastered, your point?

My point is a Volfe who had mastered Soresu could do the same. And without Soresu Kenobi couldn't have. It was due to form, not strength, that Kenobi could do that.

Wasn't he killed by Vos?

Yes, a weakened and overconfident Karkko lost to a Vos who was getting help from 3 other Jedi Masters.

My vote is on Kenobi. Volfe Karkko took on six Council Members, but it didn't say he did well against six Council Members. He did lose, after all...

On the contary, if you'll look at the comic page I posted above, you'll see that the battle was described as being "great" and "strong as Karkko", indicating that it was close, and he did do well.

Volfe Karkko is just a Dark Jedi, Kenobi defeated a Sith Lord as a padawan. True it was luck, but still he wasnt killed by Maul.

Maul was weakened, cocky, and Kenobi was lucky. Karkko is above Maul as well. Lomi Plo is just a dark Jedi as well, Darth Bandon is a Sith Lord, however, Lomi Plo could beat Bandon in less that a second. it'd be like NJO Luke vs. Maul or something.

Thanks.
As asked for:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=42&page=056
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=076

I also found him moving this ship.
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=059
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=060

Okay, some object get lfited off the ground as they fight, because they were so angry. I don't see how that will help him in a fight with Karkko.

Okay, you've proved that Kenobi was being eaten by maggots, however, you have failed to prove that he killed them with the Force, much less, that he did it while he was wearing the Sith Torture mask and not after Alpha had removed it from him.

And look at the ship again. He only breaks the landing feet, impressive, however, he doesn't actually move the entire ship himself, he just destroys the feet and allows the ship to fall to the ground. Ki-Adi Mundi lifting the ship out of the sand is FAR more impressive than that, so if Kenobi is above Karkko with the Force, then Mundi must be able to dominate him, right?

And yet he was beaten by Vos, Obi-Wans inferior, in saber combat by some margin.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
And yet he was beaten by Vos, Obi-Wans inferior, in saber combat by some margin.

1. Volfe was in a weakened state. He had been in a stasis field for a thousand years and had not eaten any soup for longer than that.
2. Karkko owned Vos in saber combat. He could have easily killed him, however, he choose to go for his soup and underestimated his opponent.
3. Three other Jedi Masters were helping Vos, helping him clear his mind and direct his attacks.
4. Vos got a lucky hit in at the end.

It's like with Kenobi and Maul, Maul wasn't at his full strength and was overconfident. Kenobi got lucky. Same here. Only Vos at this point is a little stronger than TPM Kenobi, and Karkko is a little stronger than Maul. Same thing.

Vos is quite above TPM Kenobi and yes the 3 Jedi masters helped clear his mind, but they didn't fight against Volfe and the only reason they had to clear his mind because he Vos had a brush with the Dark Side before and his mind wasn't clear and calm, Kenobi is always calm, always thinking how to gain an advantage, he doesn't need those 3 masters. And Kenobi is fair above Vos with sabers and also Volfe.

Vos is quite above TPM Kenobi

Thanks for agreeing.
and yes the 3 Jedi masters helped clear his mind, but they didn't fight against Volfe and the only reason they had to clear his mind because he Vos had a brush with the Dark Side before and his mind wasn't clear and calm

Yeah, and that brush with the dark side occured because of Karkko. If Karkko is smart enough to weken his opponent with the dark side before fighting him then so be it, plus the Jedi do tell him when to strike, where to strike, ect. as well.

Kenobi is always calm, always thinking how to gain an advantage, he doesn't need those 3 masters. And Kenobi is fair above Vos with sabers and also Volfe.

Yes, Jedi Master Kenobi always seems to be calm, except for in Obsession, and Kenobi isn't far above Vos, either, just a bit, and Karkko wasn't at full strength when he fought Vos. Kenobi won't be calm if he's sent flying halfway across the room by Karkko like he was by Dooku, either, he'll be knocked out cold.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Thanks for agreeing.

Yeah, and that brush with the dark side occured because of Karkko. If Karkko is smart enough to weken his opponent with the dark side before fighting him then so be it, plus the Jedi do tell him when to strike, where to strike, ect. as well.

Yes, Jedi Master Kenobi always seems to be calm, except for in Obsession, and Kenobi isn't far above Vos, either, just a bit, and Karkko wasn't at full strength when he fought Vos. Kenobi won't be calm if he's sent flying halfway across the room by Karkko like he was by Dooku, either, he'll be knocked out cold.

No, his brush started before, when his memory was wiped out, by Aaylas uncle, Karkko just exploited it. And the Jedi helped calm his mind and yes, they did tell him where to strike, but if this were regular Vos, before the incident with memory, he wouldn't need those Jedi helping him, he would do it on his on, even while those Jedi were helping him, it was Voses skill, that made it possible.

Kenobi is quite far above Vos in saber combat, even Mace praised him, he is one of the best of all times, when was Vos ever praised for his skill with a blade. And Karrko is no Doku.

Originally posted by Count Makashi

Kenobi is quite far above Vos in saber combat, even Mace praised him, he is one of the best of all times, when was Vos ever praised for his skill with a blade. And Karrko is no Doku. [/B]

Right there is no question Kenobi is above him in sabers and, would not need any help
"mentally" obviously. Its definate for me, DS19 your understimating Kenobi big time, to think Volfe could do what Dooku could to him.

No, his brush started before, when his memory was wiped out, by Aaylas uncle, Karkko just exploited it.

And if Karkko was smart enough to exploit it then it proves that Volfe is clever, so what?
And the Jedi helped calm his mind and yes, they did tell him where to strike, but if this were regular Vos, before the incident with memory, he wouldn't need those Jedi helping him, he would do it on his on, even while those Jedi were helping him, it was Voses skill, that made it possible.

He wouldn't need their help clearing his mind, but even with their help on where to strike, plus he got lucky cause Karkko got overconfident, for good reason's, too - he was owning Vos. Against somebody as strong as Kenobi he won't get cocky. Plus he was weakened. Tholme thought that it would take him, Vos, Zao and T'ra Saa combined to take out Karkko. If Karkko didn't get overconfident then and was at full strength he'd be ahead of Kenobi.
Kenobi is quite far above Vos in saber combat, even Mace praised him, he is one of the best of all times, when was Vos ever praised for his skill with a blade. And Karrko is no Doku.

Karkko was clearly a fair bit above Vos as well, even in his weakened state - he is owning Vos until he gots cocky and Vos gets help. When at full strength and without cockiness he could definitely match Kenobi with blades, and could even be above him.
Right there is no question Kenobi is above him in sabers and, would not need any help

So then Kenobi could put up a great fight against 6 Jedi Masters at once? I doubt it. An okay fight at best.