This post goes out to scoobs in the fact that scans will just be there where needed 😄
Originally posted by King Kandy
YOUR POWERS HAVE LIMITS! Repeat that with me. You cannot absorb infinite amounts of energy, there is a limit.
Not the spots on my body....they just keep on sucking. Like the energizer bunny they just keep on going and going 🙂
Originally posted by King Kandy
I understand that perfectly. But the motion will restart in a nanosecond, and there's no organic tissue that will be harmed by freezing then reheating.
In a nanosecond? 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
How's your energy absorber going to work if I just punch you in the face?
It wont have to, since your always running away. If it came to that, the spots on my face would do the trick just fine:
http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24606rj2.jpg
Originally posted by King Kandy
We don't know what the limit is. It could be hundreds.
WE dont NEED to. YOU only get two.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Uh huh... Yup great idea. That's just great for those Sperm Whales you plan on sicking on me.
actually its pretty great, since the spots can just send the water back into the ocean. 🙂
Though my sperm whales will be having fun with you in their stomach (yes, Delph and Leo, I posted that....somewhere 😂 ) Here it is again:
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp1atx7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp2fc9.jpg
Originally posted by King Kandy
You do have a limited number of Spots, you know. You insist they'll cover 80% of your body, yet your putting hundreds all across the field.
A) I never said hundreds
B) I am creating them, thus leaving the spots on my body left intact.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's nothing really about the tech. Scanners send signals out, she rides them back in.Mentallo actualy did get past Ironmans shields. Great argument.
Its a watch 😐
and 🤨 Are you freaking kidding me? Mentallo was amped to such a level that he had taken over every single person on earth EXCEPT TONY. Emma is NOWWHERE near him in TP. To refresh people's memory:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock1oa9.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock2je7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock3iy8.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock4um4.jpg
Plus against Onslaught:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblocker9sn0.jpg
Originally posted by King Kandy
So... I have Working TP. No flaw.
Wait what? Diamond form Emma cannot use TP.
And the flaw? Its a damn adamantium missile, I dont need for there to be a flaw.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I have an Emma that stays alive when she's shattered, and double layered healing factors (So you'll have a healuva time keeping me down.)
Alive, yes. Able to do much of anything? No. Healing factor that takes loads of time? Yes. Time he will not have? Of course.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He, on the other hand, does NOT have Spots on 80% of his body, since he put so many of him on the battlefield. I can beat him to a pulp.Ninja Curtis FTW.
As explained, I will be creating the spots.
For a short summary (for the judges reading pleasure) I will again post the summary of what is going on.
My Defenses:
-Spots
-Armor can absorb energy
(with just those two, I have an incredible defense)
-Shaw's kinetic absorption
My Offense:
-Redirected Spot attacks
-Spot cuffs
-Sperm Whales
-Absolute Zero
-Pulse Bolts
-Repulser Rays
-Adamantium Missile to the head (a spot that formulates inside the armor between the armor and the face, and delivers a nice fatal surprise)
-Gravity cancelers
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For reference
His Defense:
Diamond hard skin (that coincidently can be shattered if hit by adamantium!)
Pierceable war wear armor (been done by tony himself)
Aboms body: he goes into suspended animation when there is no heat.
Running away
His offense
-Finite, destroyable Independent Drones
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Conclusion
Only one conclusion can come from this battle. The Hellfire King winning. 'Nuff said.
.....but just because I feel like saying more, he has offered nothing in terms of a feasible way to beat me. He is counting so much on his drones, and nothing more past that. The fact that he only gets TWO drones (independent construct rule) hinders him even more. My offense trumps his, and my defense trumps his. I can take the punishment he can give out, and I can spot a adamantium missile into his face. Lights out, and he gets sent to space.
Really, what can he do to me? Drones have proven to be ineffective, and he has provided nothing past that. I have proven both my defense and my offense. If there is any offensive measure that does not work, I have other attacks that I can use. My guy is adaptable and vastly more versatile. I do not understand how he can compete. Hellfire kind FTMFW.
Circle?
Is it just me or are we going around in circles? Plus our posts keep getting shorter and shorter....here's an example
KK: I attack you.
BW: No you cant because of spots.
KK: Nuh uh, I can because I have drones.
BW: No, I have the mother friggin spots.
KK: Well I have drones 😐
BW: I can attack you in a million ways and have shown and have proven them
KK: no, because my drones will kill you.
BW: I have sperm whales 😐
If you want to stop, and let the judges vote, Ill be fine with that, or keep on going. Either way works for me
Dude, what are you thinking? Sperm Whales? Those pose the threat of piece of lint to me.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not the spots on my body....they just keep on sucking. Like the energizer bunny they just keep on going and going 🙂
Originally posted by Blair Wind
In a nanosecond? 😐
Originally posted by Blair Wind
It wont have to, since your always running away. If it came to that, the spots on my face would do the trick just fine:
http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24606rj2.jpg
Originally posted by Blair Wind
WE dont NEED to. YOU only get two.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
actually its pretty great, since the spots can just send the water back into the ocean. 🙂
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Though my sperm whales will be having fun with you in their stomach (yes, Delph and Leo, I posted that....somewhere 😂 ) Here it is again:
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp1atx7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp2fc9.jpg
Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) I never said hundreds
B) I am creating them, thus leaving the spots on my body left intact.
The Spot does not have limitless portals, you have not one scrap of evidence to support that. I, on the other hand, can show that he can and has run out.
Nice try.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its a watch 😐
Originally posted by Blair Wind
and 🤨 Are you freaking kidding me? Mentallo was amped to such a level that he had taken over [b]every single person on earth EXCEPT TONY. Emma is NOWWHERE near him in TP. To refresh people's memory:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock1oa9.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock2je7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock3iy8.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock4um4.jpgPlus against Onslaught:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblocker9sn0.jpg[/B]
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wait what? Diamond form Emma cannot use TP.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
And the flaw? Its a damn adamantium missile, I dont need for there to be a flaw.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Alive, yes. Able to do much of anything? No. Healing factor that takes loads of time? Yes. Time he will not have? Of course.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
As explained, I will be creating the spots.
BW cannot catch me, do any real damage, or anything. He can destroy some drones, but it won't hurt me. And his absorber has limits.
He has next to no Spots because of how many he's been putting on the battlefield.
Even if I couldn't overpower his absorbers, My drones could grow blades and diassemble it. Then destroy that watch of his, and I'll mess his mind up so much he won't be able to do anything. Or I could just Maul him.
It's been A damn good fight, bu I'm the winner here, completely and totaly.
7th Post: Ironman's TP vulnerabilities.
Okay, so Emma can pass through his shields with her scanner-bypass trick, but what if his shields are assaulted themselves? As I will now show, they aren't all Blair cracked them up to be.
Psylocke messes with Ironmans mind; His shields do nothing:
Psylocke mindrapes him again:
http://x402.putfile.com/4/10411093170.jpg
Ironman gets mindattacked by some dude:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironman07423lb3.jpg
Ironman doesn't do so great against Modok, either:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1125/file0021aa6.jpg
So, what does this mean? It means Blair took one high-end showing of his psy-shields and said that's the average. Well, it's not. His shields aren't all that hot. Emma can probably bust them even without her scanner trick. So I can mindrape you anytime I want.
Again, Blair is conclusivly losing this match.
Really Digi? I just find it easier to read through, then you can just click the links after you've read everything.
Anyways who are the judges?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude, what are you thinking? Sperm Whales? Those pose the threat of piece of lint to me.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Under a nanosecond, actualy. If I was just Abom, this might poise a threat, but it won't. Since my whole body is inorganic diamond, the instant the heat goes back up, so do I.
It takes a little bit for the heat to go up man. Heat doesnt transfer at faster than light speeds 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
I know that. The punch thing was just to make a point. However, I can cut you, since I'm pretty damn fast and you have very few spots left on your body.
I am
a) creating the damn spots
b) leaving the ones on my body intact.
c) If people want to consider how many I have out, its about 7 total. 😐 (two to shoot from, and 5 to use strategically)
Originally posted by King Kandy
I KNOW! I was refering to how many times I can make new ones! As in, if one is destroyed!
Interesting, I think you can only have two independent constructs per match. Can someone clarify?
Originally posted by King Kandy
You do not have a limitless number of spots, and with all the ones you're discarding all over the place, you might as well have a hundred.
Learn to count 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
Spare me. Mentallo's holding the whole world captive, he won't be diverting 100% of his force on Iron-Man. Besides, he's attacking him up front... I'll be going through your scanners. World of diffirence.
A) Mentallo was amped so far up, nothing was bothering him about it.
B) Emma frost is NOWHERE near that powerful
C) and while your character has telepathy, he does not have the skill to use it in that manner. I mean you know how to use telepathy, but the skill, or finesse, to accomplish that feat, Jim Rhodes does not posses.
Originally posted by King Kandy
And yet you go ON AND ON about how you'll hit the percieved "Flaw".
Originally posted by King Kandy
7th Post: Ironman's TP vulnerabilities.Okay, so Emma can pass through his shields with her scanner-bypass trick, but what if his shields are assaulted themselves? As I will now show, they aren't all Blair cracked them up to be.
Psylocke messes with Ironmans mind; His shields do nothing:
CC (the writer) did not know he had psi shields. He later apologizes for this.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Ironman gets mindattacked by some dude:http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironman07423lb3.jpg
You do know that Ironman upgrades all his suits right? A old ass model accounts....for nothing.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Ironman doesn't do so great against Modok, either:
A physical psi blast? 😕
Originally posted by King Kandy
So, what does this mean? It means Blair took one high-end showing of his psy-shields and said that's the average. Well, it's not. His shields aren't all that hot. Emma can probably bust them even without her scanner trick. So I can mindrape you anytime I want.
Ummm....no. Just because one writer didnt realize he HAD shields does not mean he doesnt. What you took is one low showing (with a writer oblivious to that fact that Ironman HAS psi shields) and assumed it was correct. Ironman's own series would contradict this.
Also, you have Emma's powers, not her overall skill. Jim could NEVER do that trick, and I have my watch to help anyways.
Now then back to the subject at hand.
I have you beat in terms of defense, and I feel like spicing up my offense. How you ask? With a big boom 😈 You ever heard of Electrolysis? It separates the bonds of the water compound, thus creating a large pocket of hydrogen. Why does this matter?
Mini H-Bomb FTMFW
I can put up a big forcefield trapping myself and the water inside*
I can then run an electrical current through my armor to produce the electrolysis (I only need like 6 volts)
This will fill my forcefield with oxygen and hydrogen in gas form.
I can then teleport myself (a spot to teleport me and the forcefield) right next to kandy, then let go of the forcefield. With a spot, I teleport myself far far far far far far far away, and let loose with a repulser ray right before closing the spot, thus igniting the hydrogen. Mini H-Bomb FTMFW!!
*this is how big one of my forcefields can be:
http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield1uj6.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield2tt9.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield3ar7.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield4ad8.jpg
So as you can see, I have you beat in every single facet. My firepower beats yours, my versatility is better than yours, and my defense trumps yours.
A final recap of stats
My Defenses:
-Spots
-Armor can absorb energy
(with just those two, I have an incredible defense)
-Shaw's kinetic absorption
My Offense:
-Redirected Spot attacks
-Spot cuffs
-Sperm Whales
-Absolute Zero
-Pulse Bolts
-Repulser Rays
-Adamantium Missile to the head (a spot that formulates inside the armor between the armor and the face, and delivers a nice fatal surprise)
-Gravity cancelers
-A freaking H-Bomb 😈
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For reference
His Defense:
Diamond hard skin (that coincidently can be shattered if hit by adamantium!)
Pierceable war wear armor (been done by tony himself)
Aboms body: he goes into suspended animation when there is no heat.
Running away
His offense
-Two, destroyable Independent Drones
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Conclusion?:
Judges please consider, that past the TWO drones he can create, he has offered no solid offense. He has given no defense past his durability, and my adamantium/absolute zero/H-bomb/Gravity cancelers by-pass them easily.
My defense is top of the line in all regards, my versatility and usage of the battlefield far surpasses his, and my offense is uniquely suited to kick his characters fictional ass. Vote logically, vote correctly, vote The Hellfire King as the only King in the land, and the true winner of this match.
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I have this battle in the bag dude. Nothing you say can change that, and nothing you will say will bring anything new to the table. Just let it go. You fought a good fight, no shame in giving up now 😬
Judge's Vote
First off let me say great match to both of you. You really impressed me with some of your arguments Kandy.
As for my decision on this fight, I'd like to cover a few key points so it is clear why I voted the way I did:
1) As far as The War-Wear's Drones were concerned, when I took them into consideration within the rules I did not consider them to be under the 2 independent constructs rule. I consider them to be essentially smart missiles/probes in the same vein as Mr. Terriffic's T-Spheres, meaning Kandy would have been able to use as many of them as he'd wanted (in my opinion). This point was never clarified among the judge's as a collective but I feel it's a logical summation.
2) I was under the understanding from the initial selection rules that the amalgams gained the powers from the character but not the full span of their experience. You would have full access to the character's powers, but feats that take a high degree of skill and precision gained through experience (like piggy backing your telepathy along laser scanner beams) would be up to the mind character. If your mind character was an experience TP with Emma's powers feats like that would be very feasible, but with Jim Rhodes as the mind I'm not so sure he'd have the skill necessary.
3) It's never been clearly depicted whether Emma's telepathy is dormant or not when she's in diamond form. I was under the impression while she was in diamond form her telepathy is inoperable.
4) From my knowledge of the Spot anything that passes through his portals will re-emerge at another position he desires and he doesn't always have to "throw" the spots, they have on panel simply materialized.
5) The morphing abilities of the War Wear were never fully fleshed out. I'm assuming by the argument presented you're only going to form bladed weapons on your arms because you presented no arguments or evidence for any other weapon type save drones.
6) While in diamond form Emma feels no pain, so by extension neither would Kandy's amalgam. Destroying the probes would likely have little effect on him physically or mentally given the durabilty his amalgam has.
7) Ironman does have psionic defenses and Claremont did state that he'd overlooked that fact when writing the plot to that storyline. Tony Stark also overcame Psylocke's telepathic illusions in a manner of panels and defeated her in the scans you yourself provided Kandy.
8) I'm unaware of extreme cold having adverse effects on diamonds. Diamonds are essentially pure carbon. If Abom's body is pure carbon I don't think he'll be rendered inert by the cold.
9) Moving at mach speeds underwater is highly unlikely, particularly with a mass as bulky as Abomination in an exo-suit. Maneuverability would be an issue also. You never really accounted for Abom's size or presented evidence of the War Wear's full adaptibility.
10) Sperm whales??? 🤨
So, with these points covered, let me get to my decision:
Kandy intended to use his drones to fight in close quarters while he himself kept his distance. Problem being he's battling a teleporter who can just bring the fight to him. Kandy did not present an argument of what he would do in such close quarters engagements other than the bladed arm and possibly more drones (not elaborating on the offensive capabilities of the armor itself, to his detriment). On the other hand, B-Dub spelled out very clearly what he intended to do and provided evidence to support his claims.
I do believe the spots on B-Dubs armor (as shown on panel) would redirect incoming attacks if the attacks entered the portals, and Kandy never elaborated on the ability of the War Wear to attack with precision or programming the probes to do the same and only fire on the points on B-Dubs body not covered in spots (if you don't present an argument I can't consider it, even if it's a possibility, and there was a lot of holes you could have exploited that you didn't Kandy). He essentially stated he would just bombard B-Dub via the drones:
You won't even notice you got attached to.. You're being constantly attacked at every faze of the battle.
B-Dub also submitted a means of restraining you (the "Spotcuffs"😉 and attacks to take you out (adamantium missile to the dome, hydrogen explosives, spotting a shot past your armor).
This was a very close and very good match, but I'd have to vote, begrudgingly, for B-Dub, he simply covered more of his bases and actually elaborated what he intended to do. Kandy, you easily could have won this match but you spent more time quoting and retorting than actually fleshing out an effective battle plan to bypass B-Dub's defenses in my eyes. I will say, however, that at this point if we were to vote for a loser to move on to the next round you would definitely have my vote (though we do have 2 more matches).
My vote: Blair Wind 👆
(Dammit)
Judge's Vote
This was a very hard fought match and a great match up. I could see either of you taking the win for this Tourney.
I am under the impression that drones still count as independent constructs and as such KK is limited to having a maximum of two at any one time but may create them as he wishes. Although I cannot say how a different reading of the construct rules would have effected my ruling, this descision is based on that assumption.
I felt that although Kandy succeded in countering the main thrust of Blair's initial attack with a very clever move his lack of offense was a severe limitation.
Evidence was provided that demonstrated to me that Spot was able to create his portals at will and as such Blair was well protected from attacks, especially as the size was show to change at will when they are on his body.
Although I give credit to Kandy for a very hard fought battle the fact that he was on the defensive almost entirely and never made sufficent elaboration on his attack detracts from his overall performamce.
As such I must cast my vote for Blair Wind.
You go girl 313
