Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
Think about it though..who did SBP kill? None of the people he killed when the titans and others attacked him were all that powerful. The only really impressive people he killed were those 30 GL's. However, keep in mind that not only is that feat easily accomplished by Thanos, but they were also rookie lanterns.He doesn't need a genuine weakness to be hurt. For instance, Superman's weakness is kryptonite. Yet that isnt the only thing that can hurt him. Sufficient enough force can still damage him. Same with SBP. Sure we didn't see him hurt that much by physical attacks, but then again nobody who attacked him was anywhere near as strong as Thanos.
Oh, Thanos would sure as hell notice SBP. He is incredibly powerful. I'm not saying Thanos is stronger than Prime, he is just strong enough to where he wouldn't be overpowered in a physical battle. The real problem here is Thanos is durable as hell. I mean he let the silver surfer unleash his most powerful attacks on him, then sat there and replied "are you done yet?" to him, being completely unphased.
Also I wouldn't put too much stock in superboy and wondergirl giving prime a challenge. Prime's heat vision also somehow bounced off of Jay Garricks helmet. Impulse was also able to make him bleed and Prime actually *ran away* from Bart when he saw him after having escaped the Speed Force. So there were a lot of "WTF" moments during Infinite Crisis, they were necessary to get the story from point A to point B, but make no mistake, in reality SBP would of demolished superboy and wondergirl.
When i said that superboy wouldnt make thanos realize him I was referring to the regular superboy that was fighting with powergirl, not superboy prime. Trust me, superboy prime has enough power to make thanos realize him but superboy was giving superboy prime a very good challenge.
Originally posted by quanchi112
people here make me sick underestimating thanos while giving darkseid all the credit in the world. when darkseid loses its crap but when thanos wins its the same old he got a power up. he has taken on badass characters with no powerups and achieved universal domination with powerups. so quit acting like superboy prime just blows past him ur ridiculous hes no celestial so quit acting like this guys all that. thanos is marvel toughest villain give him the respect he deserves.
To be fair, Thanos has had a lot of powerups. I'm not talking about using items such as cosmic cubes, infinity gauntlet, or the HOTU. On at least a few occasions he has been permanently enhanced through various means. Some were his own doing(using technology and sorcery) and I know for a fact on one occasion he got permanently enhanced a great deal by Death. He never lost any of these power ups and they stacked upon one another so they did make him pretty damn strong. However I will point out he never got these upgrades to defeat a specific person he just got them because he's Thanos.
Also I can't see how you say Darkseid gets all the credit in the world. Most comic book fans have lost a lot of respect for him.
I personally also prefer the Darkseid from the Great Darkness saga when he was strong enough to bitchslap PC superman(who could move galaxy sized constructs) and could put mon-el into a coma with one such similar bitchslap. What a lot of people don't know is that the Darkseid we see doing all this stuff is not the real one, but actually an Avatar of the real Darkseid who I think is trapped inside the source wall and much more powerful than his avatar.
Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
Thanks heh. Funny enough I just discovered this site while posting on another sites forum, went to register and it turns out I already had a while ago. I have no memory of this or why I didn't post, but it saves me the time of waiting for a new account to be activated.
Originally posted by carver9
When i said that superboy wouldnt make thanos realize him I was referring to the regular superboy that was fighting with powergirl, not superboy prime. Trust me, superboy prime has enough power to make thanos realize him but superboy was giving superboy prime a very good challenge.
Oh I gotcha, then yeah you're right. Thanos could do his laundry while normal superboy threw everything at him, I doubt he'd be disturbed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Here's your post history if it helps...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=userid%3A72926
Hmm, so it looks like I did post here for a while
Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
First of all it is getting kind of tiring hearing everyone call Darkseid a pussy. Why? Because he got cheaply beaten by Superman? When though? The only cheap win I remember is when Superman took darkseid to the sun, then eventually put him in the source wall. However, why is this cheap? Think about it, Darkseid has no super-speed, and on this instance Superman actually decided to use his speed, which he he doesn't do that much normally and against Darkseid I dont' remember him ever speed-blitzing him. So he blitzed him, took him to the sun, shoved his face into the sun, then took him to the source wall. It's not like he kicked him the balls and Darkseid began to cry.Darkseid has also done some pretty impressive stuff post crisis, like defeating the infinity man.
Now that my rant is over, Darkseid surely can't one shot Superman or Thanos. PC "I put mon-el into a coma with a glancing bitchslap" Darkseid is another story.
Now onto the topic at hand, Thanos does indeed win. Thanos has proven that he is physically superior to people who are capable of destroying planets with their bare hands. So he's got the strength to keep up. Thanos has an insane level of durability going for him, and has survived beatings from both Tyrant and Odin.
Prime is indeed powerful. Strong enough to move planets, much faster than the speed of light, powerful enough to break out of the phantom zone without any technology. However I don't see him winning and here is why: He simply isn't strong enough to hurt Thanos. Yes SBP is strong enough to move planets, but Thanos has taken attacks of a larger magnitude and still been unharmed.
Now, I would say that this would be a stalemate due to Thanos being too durable to hurt and Prime being too fast for Thanos to hit, but if memory serves me right Thanos has some devastating mental attacks that can be released as area attacks which means there is no dodging them.
If I am wrong about that last detail than I will change my opinion from Thanos winning back to a stalemate. But sorry guys, SBP, as powerful as he is, is nowhere near guys like Odin and Tyrant
Darkseid does have Super speed. He blitzed the JLA and the legion. That story is total PIS, written by Jeph Loeb.
2nd, there is no 'post-crisis' for the new gods. Darkseid shielded the 4th world with his powers and some prep, from the COIE. So, any and all of his PC feats are still canon. And btw, Darkseid just bitchslapped Orion, Firestorm, Mr. Miracle and (forgot the last one, but it was a high herald level guy) in one shot.
Rockwell: Finally, somebody else who remembers about the avatars. 😄
Thanos is going down. This is PC Superman level of power we're talking.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid does have Super speed. He blitzed the JLA and the legion. That story is total PIS, written by Jeph Loeb.
Well he's only shown it once right? Or has it been consistent? Because if its just a one time showing its probably BS.
You know the issue numbers off hand? It would be cool to see darkseid blitz people.
2nd, there is no 'post-crisis' for the new gods. Darkseid shielded the 4th world with his powers and some prep, from the COIE. So, any and all of his PC feats are still canon. And btw, Darkseid just bitchslapped Orion, Firestorm, Mr. Miracle and (forgot the last one, but it was a high herald level guy) in one shot.
I know that the crisis never actually effected Darkseid and co. However, to many people there is still a PC darkseid. Perhaps a better name is Great Darkness Saga Darkseid.
I think the high-level herald guy you're referring to is Takion? Well it doesn't surprise me, Darkseid is known for handing out bitchslaps to people. Takion is actually the new source so if it was him that is pretty impressive. Heres a pic to clarify:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takion
Thanos is going down. This is PC Superman level of power we're talking.
I always thought of SBP as a PC Kryptonian-lite. That is, he can move planets and move faster than light. But PC Superman was doing crazy shit like sneezing out solar systems, crossing the universe in seconds, moving so fast he would of entered god's realm, melding the fabric of creation with heat vision, etc.
The only feat I'd say SBP has that puts him near PC supes is breaking out of the phantom zone, which is pretty damn impressive. Still, even PC Superman isn't as powerful as Odin or Tyrant.
Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
Well he's only shown it once right? Or has it been consistent? Because if its just a one time showing its probably BS.You know the issue numbers off hand? It would be cool to see darkseid blitz people.
I know that the crisis never actually effected Darkseid and co. However, to many people there is still a PC darkseid. Perhaps a better name is Great Darkness Saga Darkseid.
I think the high-level herald guy you're referring to is Takion? Well it doesn't surprise me, Darkseid is known for handing out bitchslaps to people. Takion is actually the new source so if it was him that is pretty impressive. Heres a pic to clarify:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takion
I always thought of SBP as a PC Kryptonian-lite. That is, he can move planets and move faster than light. But PC Superman was doing crazy shit like sneezing out solar systems, crossing the universe in seconds, moving so fast he would of entered god's realm, melding the fabric of creation with heat vision, etc.
The only feat I'd say SBP has that puts him near PC supes is breaking out of the phantom zone, which is pretty damn impressive. Still, even PC Superman isn't as powerful as Odin or Tyrant.
I don't have issue numbers, but it's all in Darkseid's respect thread. But he has shown it more than once. And he has taken out Superman in 3 punches, which is an obvious use of Superspeed.
And yeah, it was probably Takion. Takion is actually closer to skyfather level than herald. And Darkseid made Stayne, who's equal to Takion. And Darkseid has bitched Takion a few times pretty easily.
True, SBP isn't quite PC Supes level, but he's ludicrous enough that being called PC-lite isn't that much of a comedown. 😆
I think you are underestimating how powerful PC Kryptonians were. Magic didn't work on this kid, Martian Manhunter couldn't mind**** him, K-nite didn't work, even going through the great red sun Rao didn't drain all of his powers or kill him.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
[B]I don't have issue numbers, but it's all in Darkseid's respect thread. But he has shown it more than once. And he has taken out Superman in 3 punches, which is an obvious use of Superspeed.
Cool I'll check out the thread. However, taking out Superman in 3 punches shows more ungodly strength than speed. Simply because Superman isn't always in speed mode and has been hit before by people completely lacking any speed.
And yeah, it was probably Takion. Takion is actually closer to skyfather level than herald. And Darkseid made Stayne, who's equal to Takion. And Darkseid has bitched Takion a few times pretty easily.
Yup well like I said he is the new highfather. It's funny because he was chosen for this role because his life would of had absolutely no meaning otherwise.
True, SBP isn't quite PC Supes level, but he's ludicrous enough that being called PC-lite isn't that much of a comedown. 😆
Oh it's not a comedown, however even PC Superman himself isn't as powerful as Odin or Tyrant, so being a slightly weaker version of him doesn't exactly help.
I think you are underestimating how powerful PC Kryptonians were. Magic didn't work on this kid, Martian Manhunter couldn't mind**** him, K-nite didn't work, even going through the great red sun Rao didn't drain all of his powers or kill him.
That also gives him unique gifts PC kryptonians didn't have. Magic easily worked on them as did the whole red sun trick. However kryptonite didn't work because you need kryptonite from the universe he was from, which was destroyed by the Anti- Monitor so it is pretty much impossible to find kryptonite that will work on him. But keep in mind going through the red sun didn't kill the current superman either. Funny enough when Prime originally came out he got his powers from a passing comet and not the sun, so red sun's had no effect on him and this was even a plot point in a comic with him and supes right before COIE, so in reality the red sun shouldn't of done anything but annoy him. I guess they just needed a way to get rid of him.
SBP definitely has more strength and speed than Thanos. I will say Thanos does have some incredibly potent cosmic powers at his disposal but he wouldn't be able to hit Prime with them and if he could they still probably wouldn't do much to someone this powerful. As I said, the only problem is Thanos is so ungodly durable none of that power really matters here. If Thanos lacked mental area attacks then SBP could at least stalemate him with speed
Originally posted by carver9
but thanos would hurt him. Thats what it all come down to.
Physically? No. With his cosmic energy powers? Eh...maaybe, but Prime's speed makes them useless. So even if he was cocky and Thanos hit him with one, I'd imagine he wouldn't let it happen again. If he gets hit too many times though he will be killed, as those blasts are devastating, even to someone like Prime
It's those damn mental abilities, I remember he drove Drax crazy using one of em, mind sync warp I think
Thanos has also, in the past, increased all of his power by drawing cosmic energy into his body, but it isn't permanent and burns off rather quickly. However if he somehow got his hands on prime..then increased his power he could blow a hole right through his chest.
Thanos IS a master strategist and tactician. He is powerful, no question. BUT he would not stand up to Superboy Prime for very long. For all intents and purposes Prime is a teenage god, more power than anyone and no sense of restraint or control. His only true weakness lies in him emotional immaturity. Thanos' only hope at survival would be to manipulate our out-wit the pre-crisis powerhouse.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think you are underestimating how powerful PC Kryptonians were.
Yes but just remember, Powergirl=PC Kryptonian. Now I know that SBP is far superior to her in every way, I just felt the need to point out that the title of "PC Kryptonian" doesn't mean as much as many people pretend.
superboy is a powerhouse. I reeeeally dont know who will win this fight. This is one of the best fights that i have seen in a while. BUT i do think that thanos has the capability of hitting prime. Just because the supermens are fast dont mean that they cant be hit by slower people. They dont know how to use there speed in the ways that you think. They are not very hard to hit. They dont wink out during battle and they love to charge there opponents which result in them getting hit. This fight is 50/50 and its not because of speed either because thats a nonfactor.
Originally posted by Che$t Rockwell
First of all it is getting kind of tiring hearing everyone call Darkseid a pussy. Why? Because he got cheaply beaten by Superman? When though? The only cheap win I remember is when Superman took darkseid to the sun, then eventually put him in the source wall. However, why is this cheap? Think about it, Darkseid has no super-speed, and on this instance Superman actually decided to use his speed, which he he doesn't do that much normally and against Darkseid I dont' remember him ever speed-blitzing him. So he blitzed him, took him to the sun, shoved his face into the sun, then took him to the source wall. It's not like he kicked him the balls and Darkseid began to cry.Darkseid has also done some pretty impressive stuff post crisis, like defeating the infinity man.
Now that my rant is over, Darkseid surely can't one shot Superman or Thanos. PC "I put mon-el into a coma with a glancing bitchslap" Darkseid is another story.
Now onto the topic at hand, Thanos does indeed win. Thanos has proven that he is physically superior to people who are capable of destroying planets with their bare hands. So he's got the strength to keep up. Thanos has an insane level of durability going for him, and has survived beatings from both Tyrant and Odin.
Prime is indeed powerful. Strong enough to move planets, much faster than the speed of light, powerful enough to break out of the phantom zone without any technology. However I don't see him winning and here is why: He simply isn't strong enough to hurt Thanos. Yes SBP is strong enough to move planets, but Thanos has taken attacks of a larger magnitude and still been unharmed.
Now, I would say that this would be a stalemate due to Thanos being too durable to hurt and Prime being too fast for Thanos to hit, but if memory serves me right Thanos has some devastating mental attacks that can be released as area attacks which means there is no dodging them.
If I am wrong about that last detail than I will change my opinion from Thanos winning back to a stalemate. But sorry guys, SBP, as powerful as he is, is nowhere near guys like Odin and Tyrant
Very good post, but don't forget Odin didn´t try to kill Thanos... remember he even asked THanos "Do you yield villain?" i dont think he ever intented to kill him, and in the battle vs Tyrant Thanos had that cosmic ball thingy that helped in that battle... and still he had to escape from Tyrant
so even though SBP is probably not as powerful compared to Odin or TYrant he is still freaking SUPERBOY PRIME remember all the feats he showed in Infinite Crisis... imo Thanos would not stand very long vs him