Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which is worse Shakyamunison seeing something does exist (i.e. demons) or something that does not exist (your green dragons)?😄
What's worse is the elitist system that your religion provides, it's pathetic and it's discriminatory, against perhaps some of the best people. Christian do gooders do good to get into heaven, non christian do gooders do good out of the kindness of their hearts. I don't care whether there's a heaven or not, if that is truly the system, I want no part of it.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What's worse is the elitist system that your religion provides, it's pathetic and it's discriminatory, against perhaps some of the best people. Christian do gooders do good to get into heaven, non christian do gooders do good out of the kindness of their hearts. I don't care whether there's a heaven or not, if that is truly the system, I want no part of it.
Why do you keep harping on this alleged elitist system? I have been going over this with you for months. There is no such animal as an elitist system (I have already exploded this misconception of yours on more than one occasion). Besides, Christians don't get into Heaven by virtue of their works (you should already know this by now as many times as I have told you this), we get into Heaven because of our faith in Jesus Christ and what He has done for us.
Do you follow me chillmeistergen?
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I mentioned Harry Potter and Pokemon but yet Quiero Mota you zeroed in on just Pokemon. Are you tacitly agreeing that Harry Potter books and movies are witchcraft repackaged in a more innocuous looking format? Did you focus on Pokemon but totally ignore Harry Potter items deliberately? Hmm...things that make me go hmmm.
The reason I zeroed in on Pokemon, is because thats whats in the thread's title. If Harry Potter was in the title, I would ask if you honestly believed that a book about a 12-year-old boy who lives in a magical mansion is connected to Satan, or if Spongebob was in the title, I would ask you if you honestly beleive that a children's show about a talking sponge in a pair of overalls is connected to Satan. Or any other fictional franchise for that matter.
And you never answered my question in that post. (in fact, you can go head and add what I said about Harry Potter and Spongebob to that question)
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes JIA I follow you. That's why I give my two fingers to Christianity, if it indeed works in that way. If I can only get into heaven by doing what I'm told to, I don't want to. It's a hierarchy and it's elitist; as it excludes a group of good people, just because they don't worship Jesus.
Heaven can be compared to an exclusive high-end nightclub; you only get in if you know the right person.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes JIA I follow you. That's why I give my two fingers to Christianity, if it indeed works in that way. If I can only get into heaven by doing what I'm told to, I don't want to. It's a hierarchy and it's elitist; as it excludes a group of good people, just because they don't worship Jesus.
How could exercising faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from sins be a hierarchy? Everyone is capable of doing this so the whole "hierarchy" concept is exploded.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How could exercising faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from sins be a hierarchy? Everyone is capable of doing this so the whole "hierarchy" concept is exploded.
Don't be an idiot. According to the Christian faith God is the ruler of us all, therefore an authority. To get in to heaven something is required, you don't get in for being a decent person but for simply believing in something. This offers exclusivity to many who don't deserve it.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You honestly belive that a cartoonish card game about animals that live in balls is a threat to a person's soul??Well then I guess just about every Japanese citizen under the age of 15 will experience eternal damnation in the Fiery Lake for dabbling into the dark arts. ( 🙄 )
Thats funny. But its not surprising, considering the country.
Threat to a person's soul...? Look, here is what I am saying, there are things that we can do that give place to the devil in our lives. We should avoid certain activities because of what they could lead to.
Just do your own research on demon possession and some causes of it. Go to your local library and find out as much as you can then come back to this forum and report what you learned.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Don't be an idiot. According to the Christian faith God is the ruler of us all, therefore an authority. To get in to heaven something is required, you don't get in for being a decent person but for simply believing in something. This offers exclusivity to many who don't deserve it.
Exclusivity?!? To many who don't deserve it?!? Chillmeistergen, no one deserves God's grace and mercy, and no one deserves to get into Heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ. But I do not understand how you could call this procedure exclusive. Exclusivity means that only certain people are allowed to benefit from something or be a part of something (implying that no one else has the opportunity). But in regards to salvation all people are welcome and capable of getting into Heaven through Jesus Christ, the Door. So where is the exclusivity? If you choose to believe in Jesus and put your faith in Him you get in, if you choose to reject Jesus and not put your faith in Him you do not get in. I do not see any exclusivity there, I see only see free will i.e. choice. The ball is in your court not God's as though He is the one determining who gets in or not.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Like playing a collector card game about dinosaurs that live in plastic balls?
Well, like playing with ouija boards, getting your readings via tarot cards, holding a seance, praying to angels, worshipping idols, palm reading, consorting psychics and mediums, yoga and the chants that they make, handling certain items associated with the occult like certain amulets, necklaces, beads and other paraphanelia.
I watched the testimony of a family who had a picture of a Native American praying to a spirit. The family had this picture in their home. The family had many strange occurrences taking place in their home. They were able to see literal, actual demonic, spirit creatures in their home. The had other things going on that they could not explain. Finally, they called in a paranormal investigator or Christian (I am not sure which one that is was) who was drawn to the picture that they had of the Native American praying to a spirit. The investigator told them that that image was the reason for the paranormal events that were going on in their home. So the family got rid of the picture.
In another account I watched two young boys describe the things that they were experiencing in their home. The young boys' parents held seances in their home regularly. On one occasion the boys were trying to go to sleep when suddenly one of the boys saw an evil face on the ceiling. The boy turned to his brother who was in the same bed and shook him to alert him to what he was seeing. The other boy saw the evil faces and both boys started shrieking. The boys were so scared that they did not know what to do so they started praying. Suddenly, they saw angels (the Lord apparently permitted them to see into the realm of the spirit) who vanquished the demons. The boys told their parents what they had witnessed.
I once heard about a woman who was handling some type of charm associated with the occult. She states that the moment that she touched it she felt something enter her (please no vulgar jokes here I am trying to convey a serious point). She says that she felt something enter into her body (like a spirit). That woman had to undergo the anguish of an excorcism.
The 13-year-old boy who for sake of privacy is referred to as Robbie Doe played with ouija boards. He did not know that he was talking to demons, he thought that he was contacting his deceased aunt. However, there is no such thing as contacting dead people, a person is really contacting evil spirits who impersonate deceased relatives. They are referred to as familiar spirits in the Bible. They know everything about you and your relatives that is why they are able to impersonate them so well.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
EDIT:JIA,
Only through Jesus, that's my problem with it. Someone who has done nothing but good in their lives, but does not worship Jesus, would according to Christianity; be doomed to hell. That's my problem with it, and that's where I think it's exclusive.
Yes, Jesus is the Door and the Way to God the Father. You must go through Jesus to get to the Father. If don't want to go through Him then you will not get into Heaven. Your good works, actions, and deeds are like filthy rags to God. Only Jesus Christ was able to keep God's laws completely. Jesus is the Mediator between righteous, holy God the Father and sinful humanity. You fail to understand that although some people are good, all people are born sinners in need of the Savior. For this reason, our good works have no value until after we are washed from our sin in the Blood of Jesus. But our good works will receive a reward only not get us into Heaven. Faith in the Savior Who hung on the cross and died for our sins is how we get into Heaven no matter how good we are, our works do not and can not save us.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes, Jesus is the Door and the Way to God the Father. You must go through Jesus to get to the Father. If don't want to go through Him then you will not get into Heaven. Your good works, actions, and deeds are like filthy rags to God. Only Jesus Christ was able to keep God's laws completely. Jesus is the Mediator between righteous, holy God the Father and sinful humanity. You fail to understand that although some people are good, all people are born sinners in need of the Savior. For this reason, our good works have no value until after we are washed from our sin in the Blood of Jesus. But our good works will receive a reward only not get us into Heaven. Faith in the Savior Who hung on the cross and died for our sins is how we get into Heaven no matter how good we are, our works do not and can not save us.
To me it doesn't seem like a fair system, so I'm not interested in it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveHave you seen these things yourself? Though I believe things in themselves are not evil, only people and their thoughts are evil and can even reproduce symptoms or even see visions since the mind is very powerful. If you think something is evil then it will manifest its self in that way. There are both negative and positive forces that are drawn to the same just like a magnet. We are the magnet and what we think and dwell upon draws it's self to us. If a person is fearful of some invisible type energy then it gives you what you want...ie more fear.
Well, like playing with ouija boards, getting your readings via tarot cards, holding a seance, praying to angels, worshipping idols, palm reading, consorting psychics and mediums, yoga and the chants that they make, handling certain items associated with the occult like certain amulets, necklaces, beads and other paraphanelia.I watched the testimony of a family who had a picture of a Native American praying to a spirit. The family had this picture in their home. The family had many strange occurrences taking place in their home. They were able to see literal, actual demonic, spirit creatures in their home. The had other things going on that they could not explain. Finally, they called in a paranormal investigator or Christian (I am not sure which one that is was) who was drawn to the picture that they had of the Native American praying to a spirit. The investigator told them that that image was the reason for the paranormal events that were going on in their home. So the family got rid of the picture.
In another account I watched two young boys describe the things that they were experiencing in their home. The young boys' parents held seances in their home regularly. On one occasion the boys were trying to go to sleep when suddenly one of the boys saw an evil face on the ceiling. The boy turned to his brother who was in the same bed and shook him to alert him to what he was seeing. The other boy saw the evil faces and both boys started shrieking. The boys were so scared that they did not know what to do so they started praying. Suddenly, they saw angels (the Lord apparently permitted them to see into the realm of the spirit) who vanquished the demons. The boys told their parents what they had witnessed.
I once heard about a woman who was handling some type of charm associated with the occult. She states that the moment that she touched it she felt something enter her (please no vulgar jokes here I am trying to convey a serious point). She says that she felt something enter into her body (like a spirit). That woman had to undergo the anguish of an excorcism.
The 13-year-old boy who for sake of privacy is referred to as [B]Robbie Doe
played with ouija boards. He did not know that he was talking to demons, he thought that he was contacting his deceased aunt. However, there is no such thing as contacting dead people, a person is really contacting evil spirits who impersonate deceased relatives. They are referred to as familiar spirits in the Bible. They know everything about you and your relatives that is why they are able to impersonate them so well. [/B]