Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
For example, Jeff Harshbarger conveys his personal testimony about using Ouija Boards and what he experienced and yet you have trouble believing him. His experience is undeniably genuine regardless, that is why the blindfold is irrelevant.
how is it undeniably genuine, might I ask?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But God is not the Father's Name it is more like an office. For example, George Bush is his name, President of the United States of America is the office that he occupies at the present.Well, YHWH is His Name, God of the universe is the office as it were that He occupies forever.
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I was being absurd to illustrate to you, how absurd you were being. But is seems that you are unable to draw conclusions about yourself, based upon what other people are saying to you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Right back at you. How is it not? (You cannot escape this logic can you?) You want me to give your question validity but I must give its antithesis equal time.😄
No it's simply idiotic to take someone's supposed experience as genuine without question. It is apparent that you are unfit to decide whether it is genuine since your views are biased.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhere does it say that? As for understanding the word that are coming out of your mouth, sorry I don't speak bullsh*t.
Let me think about that one for a minute...(just kidding).No, the point is that Chriss Angel has followed in his mother's witchcraft (do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?).
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe blindfold is not irrelevant and is the most important thing, for one I don't know anything about this guy or any other and don't know what his creditability is. He could be lying or have mental issue, I don't know but when you have impeachable proof such as experiments that show the results of a subject with and without the blindfold not being able to duplicate the results is not.
For example, Jeff Harshbarger conveys his personal testimony about using Ouija Boards and what he experienced and yet you have trouble believing him. His experience is undeniably genuine regardless, that is why the blindfold is irrelevant.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Where does it say that? As for understanding the word that are coming out of your mouth, sorry I don't speak bullsh*t. The blindfold is not irrelevant and is the most important thing, for one I don't know anything about this guy or any other and don't know what his creditability is. He could be lying or have mental issue, I don't know but when you have impeachable proof such as experiments that show the results of a subject with and without the blindfold not being able to duplicate the results is not.
Look ThePittman, until you do as I have suggested (i.e. ask those who have personally experienced the Ouija Board working independent of ideomotor effect, or who have encountered demons, etc.) you will never be persuaded that it is true (that or unless you have these same experiences).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Look ThePittman, until you do as I have suggested (i.e. ask those who have personally experienced the Ouija Board working independent of ideomotor effect, or who have encountered demons, etc.) you will never be persuaded that it is true (that or unless you have these same experiences).
I have.
When I was a kid (10 or 12) I had a friend who had a Ouija Board. I was a Christian then, BTW. We started asking it questions. The answers where funny at first, but as time went on, the board started saying things that really scared the crap out of us. However, looking back on it now, I know for a fact that we (kids) were pushing the top part around and making the words we wanted to be spelled come to be. We were kids and we got ourselves all worked up over nothing.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have.When I was a kid (10 or 12) I had a friend who had a Ouija Board. I was a Christian then, BTW. We started asking it questions. The answers where funny at first, but as time went on, the board started saying things that really scared the crap out of us. However, looking back on it now, I know for a fact that we (kids) were pushing the top part around and making the words we wanted to be spelled come to be. We were kids and we got ourselves all worked up over nothing.
I don't believe you. I believe that it did work and that perhaps is one of the reasons why you are an apostate. I believe that your involvment with the occult is perhaps partially responsible for you turning away from Christ.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveFor one I have, I have talked to many people about this game and demons and spirits and the like. I as Shakyamunison played with it when I was younger and this is when I still believed there maybe a God and demons and such and it didn’t do anything for me. My friends that also played with me that it did “move” and swore that it worked I tested them with the blindfold even before I knew about the ideomotor effect because I knew even at that early age about the subconscious mind and first hand I saw that it was BS.
Look ThePittman, until you do as I have suggested (i.e. ask those who have personally experienced the Ouija Board working independent of ideomotor effect, or who have encountered demons, etc.) you will never be persuaded that it is true (that or unless you have these same experiences).
Asking someone that believes this to be real and that they have seen demons and spirits is pointless because the mind and perception is very subjective and many times not reliable. My friend Dave has a master in psychology and I have gone with him many times to his work and seen people that believe they have been “touched” by demons and spirits and I would hardly call them creditable. My dad who is suffering from a chemical imbalance in his brain now believes in spirits and the like when before he didn’t because as he says “he was shown” that they existed when I know for watching him progress into this state that his brain chemistry has changed that it is all in his mind.
Also how could I ask anyone that is “independent” of the ideomotor effect when that is how the game works?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhy not, he just gave you his testimony on it?
I don't believe you. I believe that it did work and that perhaps is [B]one of the reasons why you are an apostate. I believe that your involvment with the occult is perhaps partially responsible for you turning away from Christ.🙁 [/B]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't believe you. I believe that it did work and that perhaps is [B]one of the reasons why you are an apostate. I believe that your involvment with the occult is perhaps partially responsible for you turning away from Christ.🙁 [/B]
I turned from the church because the pastor of my church was molesting his two daughters. I have never been involved in the occult.
BTW the word occult and cult have totally different meanings.
Originally posted by ThePittman
For one I have, I have talked to many people about this game and demons and spirits and the like. I as Shakyamunison played with it when I was younger and this is when I still believed there maybe a God and demons and such and it didn’t do anything for me. My friends that also played with me that it did “move” and swore that it worked I tested them with the blindfold even before I knew about the ideomotor effect because I knew even at that early age about the subconscious mind and first hand I saw that it was BS.Asking someone that believes this to be real and that they have seen demons and spirits is pointless because the mind and perception is very subjective and many times not reliable. My friend Dave has a master in psychology and I have gone with him many times to his work and seen people that believe they have been “touched” by demons and spirits and I would hardly call them creditable. My dad who is suffering from a chemical imbalance in his brain now believes in spirits and the like when before he didn’t because as he says “he was shown” that they existed when I know for watching him progress into this state that his brain chemistry has changed that it is all in his mind.
Also how could I ask anyone that is “independent” of the ideomotor effect when that is how the game works?
I believe that it did work and that it is partially the reason why you have a hard time accepting Jesus Christ into your heart and life. You need to renounce your use of the Ouija Board and repent of all of your sins if you want to be able to discern Truth from deception (am I preaching now?)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I turned from the church because the pastor of my church was molesting his two daughters. I have never been involved in the occult.BTW the word occult and cult have totally different meanings.
So, your relationship with Jesus Christ is based on someone else's conduct? (That is ridiculous and it sounds like an excuse.) You don't believe that Buddhist have skeletons? What are you going to do once you find out their skeletons, convert to Islam? You should stop making excuses (in essence trying to justify your lifestyle), ask God to direct you to another pastor, and get back on track with Jesus.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYes you are but you are also denouncing the fact that I have already fulfilled your requirements which you have not done of any of mine. Also my friends that also played with me are still very religious and some are Christian, Mormon and Catholic and they are the ones that said that it worked.
I believe that it did work and that it is partially the reason why you have a hard time accepting Jesus Christ into your heart and life. You need to renounce your use of the Ouija Board and repent of all of your sins if you want to be able to discern Truth from deception (am I preaching now?)
The game has nothing to do with me not believing in God or any religion it is my life experiences and talking with people and using questions that has. Seeing how religion has affected life and history and not being able to answer questions and the corruption that I see in it every day and that they are supposed to be the “moral” backbone of our society is what has. I could give you 5 million reasons why I do not and you can only give me one, faith.