This thread is idiotic (as are most threads involving Wolverine). He loses this fight just as he should lose any fight concerning a class 90-100 character. The scans show just how easily the Wrecker handled him. Wolverines lucky the rest of the team was there to distract the Wrecker or he would have just walked over to Wolverine and beat him repeatedly with the crowbar. Wolverine would be KO'd rather easily in this fight.
Wrecker 10/10
Originally posted by Gorbag
ofc these are only emots😮💨 I like smokin', wht can I do about it, this smilie is always making me feel good😮💨
I don't believe everyone dislike Logan 'cause of ppl like me, if what u were saying is true then Wolv comics weren't selling so good ;]I just started posting and I was keeping Thor debate 'cause it continued and continues... I posted enough explanations&scans at Thor thread I think, rest was done by jinz & friends...
Actually it's not ur thing, am I posting on Wolverine threads or Spidey mainly... just not ur thing🙂 U wanted more examples of killing Creel, u got em😮💨
And btw... using this 😱 doesn't make u funny, at all
Originally posted by jasonk3😎 Yeah, what J said! durfist
He did not use the, 😱 he used dur, big difference,and yes it's funny as hell...now stop getting people to hate wolverine and piss off...
Originally posted by GorbagYou shouldn't smoke.... 🙁
1:35 AM... time for a smoke. Sorry man, will be back later ;] c'mon and shoot me with ur full artillery ;>
Originally posted by tkitna
This thread is idiotic (as are most threads involving Wolverine). He loses this fight just as he should lose any fight concerning a class 90-100 character. The scans show just how easily the Wrecker handled him. Wolverines lucky the rest of the team was there to distract the Wrecker or he would have just walked over to Wolverine and beat him repeatedly with the crowbar. Wolverine would be KO'd rather easily in this fight.Wrecker 10/10
Why is this idiotic? Wrecker is a brick with no option but melee, he is the type of guy Wolverine was designed to fight. He has weapons that are designed to penetrated people with high durability and his healing factor affords him the luxury of taking a hit to land one of his own. He is small, fast and extremely skilled which makes it much more like for Wolverine to get through Wreckers guard to deliver a fatal blow the opposite.
Super strength and durability aren't the only answer to the equation. A healing factor and claws with armor penetration work nicely and are easily a fair trade off...
Oh, but I forgot this is KMC, Wolverine doing anything other then getting a steamroller parked on him courtesy of Punisher is PIS. 🙄
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why is this idiotic? Wrecker is a brick with no option but melee, he is the type of guy Wolverine was designed to fight. He has weapons that are designed to penetrated people with high durability and his healing factor affords him the luxury of taking a hit to land one of his own. He is small, fast and extremely skilled which makes it much more like for Wolverine to get through Wreckers guard to deliver a fatal blow the opposite.Super strength and durability aren't the only answer to the equation. A healing factor and claws with armor penetration work nicely and are easily a fair trade off...
Oh, but I forgot this is KMC, Wolverine doing anything other then getting a steamroller parked on him courtesy of Punisher is PIS. 🙄
Its idiotic because we're going on page 10 of this debate even though the proof is in the scans from a comic that was correctly written. All we're looking for here is a KO and the Wrecker could KO Wolverine rather quickly. He has the reach with the crowbar anyways and all he would need to do is yell 'Batter Up'. Wolverine might get lucky and take him out with a lethal blow, but its not even close to a majority if its even possible.
Originally posted by tkitna
Its idiotic because we're going on page 10 of this debate even though the proof is in the scans from a comic that was correctly written. All we're looking for here is a KO and the Wrecker could KO Wolverine rather quickly. He has the reach with the crowbar anyways and all he would need to do is yell 'Batter Up'. Wolverine might get lucky and take him out with a lethal blow, but its not even close to a majority if its even possible.
He tossed him a dozen or so yards away, twice; so that means that this fight is such a mismatch that you don't even need to consider it, as that out come is never in question and Wolverine couldn't possibly win?
Wolverine was never out of eye sight of Wrecker, and aside from knock back the attacks did very little to Logan terms of damage. If he was a lone he would have won eventually.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He tossed him a dozen or so yards away, twice; so that means that this fight is such a mismatch that you don't even need to consider it, as that out come is never in question and Wolverine couldn't possibly win?Wolverine was never out of eye sight of Wrecker, and aside from knock back the attacks did very little to Logan terms of damage. If he was a lone he would have won eventually.
Logan could win. It would take a cheap shot and since we've seen that Wrecker is legitimately powerful enough to take on Wolverine and an entire team of people succesfully the odds of that happening are just about zero.
In that entire fight Logan had two chances at a cheap shot. Once while Wrecker was completely distracted and just slapped him away effortlessly. The other time Wrecker was under the influence of pheremones and the whole NA was there to help when Wolverine attacked and they still bearly pulled it off.
Through the entire fight Logan managed to hurt Wrecker at grand total of twice. The first strike was a cheap shot on him and she second was while he had the rest of the team to help.
So unless Wolverine >>> NA he's completely and utterly f*cked.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Logan could win. It would take a cheap shot and since we've seen that Wrecker is legitimately powerful enough to take on Wolverine and an entire team of people succesfully the odds of that happening are just about zero.
I don't think it would need to be a cheap shot... but I'm the impression that the New Avengers poor showing was a result of Spider-woman's pheromones.
Based on previous speed, skill and accuracy feats of both Wolverine and Dirk, who do you think is more likely to land the first blow? Based on previous showings of both characters, who is more likely to land a would be leathal blow on their opponent?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In that entire fight Logan had two chances at a cheap shot. Once while Wrecker was completely distracted and just slapped him away effortlessly. The other time Wrecker was under the influence of pheremones and the whole NA was there to help when Wolverine attacked and they still bearly pulled it off.
The only reason Wrecker landed his first hit is because he recovered faster from webbing to his face the Wolverine anticipated and, being airborne as he was, Wolverine was a sitting duck.
Also Wolverine's attacks were purposely nonlethal. In a solo fight where Wolverine is blood lusted he is going to do more then rake Dirk with his claws and expose an opening for a team mate with super strength to capitalize on.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Through the entire fight Logan managed to hurt Wrecker at grand total of twice. The first strike was a cheap shot on him and she second was while he had the rest of the team to help.
And Wrecker managed to "hurt" Wolverine a grand total of twice also...
He is lucky Wolverine was playing with the Avengers kid gloves on or he'd be drinking OJ through a straw in Hospital bed for the rest of his life... best case senario.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI said cut through, he only scratched and annoyed/hurt him.
But he did... three times. 😕
Hell, he got a full back slash when Wolverine swung, and was still standing.
I just fail to see Wolverine putting him down in one-on-one combat.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I said cut through, he only scratched and annoyed/hurt him.
Hell, even with two cheapshots, he only scratched him, and Wrecker said:
"You little runt, that really..."Hell, he got a full back slash when Wolverine swung, and was still standing.
Well he wasn't trying to kill Dirk, just distract him so that Cage could lay into him or Spider-man could web him up. You don't think that the Avengers showed up so that they could kill a supervillian in suburbia, do you?
It's not that he couldn't "cut through" its that he didn't... mostly, one would imagine, because Marvel was still trying to keep New Avengers at a Teen Rating. Thank god they changed their minds.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWolverine got three cheap shots in that fight. 😐
Well he wasn't trying to kill Dirk, just distract him so that Cage could lay into him or Spider-man could web him up. You don't think that the Avengers showed up so that they could kill a supervillian in suburbia, do you?It's not that he couldn't "cut through" its that he didn't... mostly, one would imagine, because Marvel was still trying to keep New Avengers at a Teen Rating. Thank god they changed their minds.
You don't lay into someone with molecular sharp, indestructible claws, to just say that you're distracting him.
Especially not from behind, and when you actually throw all your weight, and jump into it.
Also, Wrecker hardly needed to be distracted to be webbed up, since Spider-Man webbed him up a bunch in that fight.
We've seen Wolverine hurt him, yes, but from two cheap shots (he got the third in, after he clawed his back), but we've also saw how Wrecker dealt with him, when they were actually facing each other, or right after he got his eyes webbed up.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Wolverine got three cheap shots in that fight. 😐
And?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
You don't lay into someone with molecular sharp, indestructible claws, to just say that you're distracting him.
Apparently Wolverine does. If he was seriously trying to hurt/maim Dirk he wouldn't have landed inconsequential body shots when was attacking him from behind, now would he? He would have gone for the head, the throat or anyone of the several majory arterys.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Especially not from behind, and when you actually throw all your weight, and jump into it.
He jumped (off the Quinjet) so that he could get the drop on Wrecker, not because he was trying to get more weight into his attack.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, Wrecker hardly needed to be distracted to be webbed up, since Spider-Man webbed him up a bunch in that fight.
Wrecker needed to be distracted to be webbed up effectively or, since the web line goes two ways, Dirk would have grabbed the web line and use it to sling shot Spider-man away.... like he did.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
We've seen Wolverine hurt him, yes, but from two cheap shots (he got the third in, after he clawed his back), but we've also saw how Wrecker dealt with him, when they were actually facing each other, or right after he got his eyes webbed up.
*shrugs*
Wolverine thought that Spider-man's webbing had bought him a large enough opening to get a free shot off... it was a judgement error on Wolverine's part not some spectacular feet on Dirk's.
In a one on one single combat Wolverine isn't going to be "dizzy" from Spider-woman's pheromones and he won't be pulling his punches, purposely limiting the damage out put of his claws.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In a one on one single combat Wolverine isn't going to be "dizzy" from Spider-woman's pheromones and he won't be pulling his punches, purposely limiting the damage out put of his claws.
Are you refering to the pheremones that Wrecker was exposed to during the entire fight?
You do realize that when Wolvie laft he was outside the range and had some time to recover from any effect they might have had? A chance Wrecker never got.
So Wrecker was by your logic even more below his real power than Logan was.