Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
do you people know anything? the exile could use the force through force bonds. the force itself was stripped from him thats why Nihilus couldn't drain him. play the KOTOR 2 again and pay attention.
Wasn't it because the exile was wound in the Force, but anyway, Nihilus isn't unbeatable, ROTJ Sidious had lightning that could kill 100 stormtroopers instantly, if he zaps Nihilus first, its by by Nihilus, not to mention DE Sidious, who would murder him.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Wasn't it because the exile was wound in the Force, but anyway, Nihilus isn't unbeatable, ROTJ Sidious had lightning that could kill 100 stormtroopers instantly, if he zaps Nihilus first, its by by Nihilus, not to mention DE Sidious, who would murder him.
Nihilus still takes this due to that great Force drain ability.
nihilus wins he always does if you've played kotor nd beat it in everyway possible then you'd know these characters in the best way you can. watch the cut scenes try and find out what you can. The exile was a wound in the force. do you know what that means? it means she can influence almost anybody especially those weaker than her.
the force was stripped from her she did it herself without meaning to. she made force bonds with force adepts which allowed her to use the force without possessing it. it''s a strange concept i know.
nihilus couldn't drain her because she didn't have the forcwatch the cut scene when the exile first meets nihilus. you'll see that nihilus tries to drain her but can't so they end up lightsaber fighting.
nihilus vs. anyone, nihilus wins. this was decided on about a year ago if you want to go dig up all the old threads try.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nikk loves making Nihilus threads. However, Jacen can loop in and out of the force, so Nihilus can't drain something he can't sense. Goodbye Nihilus. Terrible thread.
I think this thread isn't actually that bad. We can get some good discussion out of it if we try.
Jacen looping out of the Force won't be enough for several reasons.
1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.
2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.
3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.
4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think this thread isn't actually that bad. We can get some good discussion out of it if we try.Jacen looping out of the Force won't be enough for several reasons.
1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.
2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.
3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.
4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose.
how would jacen not know when to loop out until it's too late? cause in the LotF he's almost always looped out so luke can't sense him.
and LORDSIDIOUS01 if jacen flow walks so what. he can't physically do anything. he can just leave an "imprint" of himself
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
how would jacen not know when to loop out until it's too late? cause in the LotF he's almost always looped out so luke can't sense him.and LORDSIDIOUS01 if jacen flow walks so what. he can't physically do anything. he can just leave an "imprint" of himself
He's just masking his Force presence, he's still there in the Force. Nihilus would have no problem draining him.
Originally posted by IOU
caedus owns him
WTF?
"1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.
2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.
3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.
4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose."
WTF?"1. Jacen won't know to loop out until it's to late.
or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.
2. Jacen can't loop in a way that would protect him. It doesn't remove him from the Force, it only makes him harder for other Force Users to sense.
more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.
3. If Jacen does manage to totally loop out of the Force he'll end up like the KOTOR 2 Jedi Masters that faced Kreia.
which is????
4. Nihilus is more powerful even without Force Drain, so even if Jacen does loop out of the Force in a manner than allows him to retain all of his powers and not end up like the Masters who faced Kreia (which is impossible for him) he'll still lose."
your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:
a) not be able to target jacen with the force
and
b) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him
its really that simply, nihilus gets OWNED!
edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly?
Originally posted by IOU
or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.which is????
your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:a) not be able to target jacen with the force
and
b) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him
its really that simply, nihilus gets [b]OWNED!
edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly? [/B]
you keep saying nihilus can't detect him but he won't need to detect him he just has to ****ing see him.
nihilus doesnt see through the force thats his apprentice.
overlord this is a vs forum. so the point of this fight is to put both of these combatants in an area and have them fight either with a lightsaber or the force non of that attack while sleeping crap.
it's jacen vs nihilus now keep in mind they are both fully aware of each other.
Originally posted by IOU
or maybe, just maybe, the fact that nihilus would be an unknown threat as well as his unusual force presence would convince jacen into realising that nihilus could be for all he knew a threat like no other that he had ever faced and force him into bringing his a-game. is that the definite way the scenario would play out? not necessarily, but neither is yours, yet your trying to act as if it would be. but whatever, i really dont care for arguing these threads by discussing what they would likely do if such a situation ever occurred, but actually what they have the ability to do. and jacen has the ability to own nihilus. nihilus wouldnt be able to stand up against someone who he cant detect. he would get owned, bad.
WTF are you talking about? Nihilus is a man. He has eyes. He can see Jacen even if he does hide his Force presence. BTW, an Ancient Sith ship detected Jacen, who it had never met before (the less you know someone the harder it is to detect them), in only a few seconds when Jacen was hiding. If a Sith ship can detect Jacen with the Force a powerful Force User actively searching for him would have no problem doing so.
Originally posted by IOU
more like it makes him near impossible to detect
the top njo masters couldnt detect jacen in this state, theres no way nihilus would be able to do so. its really that simple, jacen enters such a state, sneaks up behind nihilus, and slices him into pieces with his lightsaber.
They were never actively attempting to detect Jacen. If they engaged him in a fight they would be and would have no problem seeing him with the Force. Jacen can bearly use the Force while in this state. Seeing as Nihilus can still Jacen fine with his eyes and will still have full access to his tremendous Force Powers he can just annihlate Jacen with his tremendous Force powers (how about being battered with whatever happens to be in the room flying at him at 500 mph) since Jacen can't do anything with the Force to protect himself while hiding. If he comes out of hiding to do so he simply gets Force Drained in half a second and dies.
Originally posted by IOU
which is????
Not living.
Originally posted by IOU
your looking at this way too superficially
would nihilus be able to overpower jacen with a direct force attack? most definitely
however your brain cant seem to be able to go beyond that level of reasoning, because thats entirely irrelevant, it wont come to that, nihilus would in no way be able to detect jacen, just like the top njo masters who couldnt, and thus would:
You're trying to insult my brain? That's really funny when you're the one who appears to be unable to utilize some approaching proper gammar. Keep working on it though and I'm sure one day they'll let you off the short bus.
Nihilus has eyes. His body is not dead, if it was his corpse would have decayed long before the events of KOTOR 2 and Visas would not have been able to see him after his death. Also note that his eyes are open when he is standning, which doesn't happen with death people.
Originally posted by IOU
a) not be able to target jacen with the force
He's got eyes. And Jacen is a total weakling unless he opens himself to the Force, which he cannot do when hiding. Hiding or not Nihilus pwns him.
Originally posted by IOU
andb) not be able to prevent jacen from sneaking up behind him and sabersmashing him
its really that simply, nihilus gets [b]OWNED!
[/B]
You know what really simple? Your mind. My four year old brother can reason through things better than you.
Nihilus has all the senses of a normal person. Jacen hiding his Force presense will do nothing to prevent Nihilus from seeing him and seconds later killing him.
Originally posted by IOU
edit - by the way, how is jacen supposed to not be retaining his force powers once he loops exactly?
Basically there are two ways in which someone could in theory protect themselves from Nihilus' Force Drain.
1. Be a wound in the Force. You can't really gain this though. You just kinda have to be one. This is the only sure fire way to defend youself because the techniques that Luke and Jacen know leave them partially in the Force. This is because unless you are a wound in the Force, of which the Exile appears to be the only one, you automatically die when you completey cut youself off from the Force.
2. Hide your Force Presence so Nihilus can't find your Force presence and drain it. However, this isn't a very good course of action because when hiding your Force presense you can't use the Force in a powerful manner or else that would be detected. It's like a submarine having to maintain total silence when hiding from enemy ships. Even noise, or in this case usuage of the Force, is a possible way for the enemy ship, or Nihilus, to detect you and attack you with depth chargers, or a Force Drain that kills you no matter what.
Jacen would use the second method because the first requires him cutting off his connection to the Force, which he can only do partially so it still might not work, and leaves him totally vunerable to attack. The second method is flawed because Jacen can barely use the Force in while doing this, meaning he would be no match whatsoever for Nihilus. The more power Jacen uses the more likely Nihilus is to detect him. The problem for Jacen is that there is no way he can stand a chance against Nihilus and not be detected and therefor drained.
Soooooooooooooo.............................Jacen gets pwned.
Also Jacens hiding technique in no way weakens his force powers, he doesnt just minimize his force presence like most jedi does he blends in with the force to the point he seems to be just part of the universe,
the sith ship detected how he affected other people to track him, if it was one on one than nihilus wouldnt be able to find him even if he could use the same technique as the sith ship(which no one of its passengers seemed to be able to learn)