Originally posted by Lord FeronIt is more like Xavier thought process to control his mind is more complex and requires more time then for Superman to think “move”. Then you must take into account that the thought from Xavier must travel the distance between the two. So you have Xavier (Speed of Thought + Speed of Thought) < (Speed of Thought + Speed of Light)
Its more like superman's speed of thought + the speed of light > xavier speed of thought like wtf?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
It is more like Xavier thought process to control his mind is more complex and requires more time then for Superman to think “move”. Then you must take into account that the thought from Xavier must travel the distance between the two. So you have Xavier (Speed of Thought + Speed of Thought) < (Speed of Thought + Speed of Light)
Thought travels?
That's a new one.
Originally posted by Da Pittmancharles can link to the whole planet simultaneously and shared a mental link between lilandra and himself over interstellar distances so....
It is more like Xavier thought process to control his mind is more complex and requires more time then for Superman to think “move”. Then you must take into account that the thought from Xavier must travel the distance between the two. So you have Xavier (Speed of Thought + Speed of Thought) < (Speed of Thought + Speed of Light)
Originally posted by psycho gundamYes I do know that and this also takes time, granted it is pretty damn quick but it does take time and since we are talking about microseconds before Superman can reach him that makes all the difference in the world for this fight. There is a difference in the reaction time that is required between reflex reactions such as Superman moving and conscious thought such as Xavier trying to take over his mind. I have also seen Xavier take time trying to reach one of his own X-Men, taking the time to close his eyes and concentrate on communicating to them.
charles can link to the whole planet simultaneously and shared a mental link between lilandra and himself over interstellar distances so....
Now this is an assumption on my part since I have not seen it documented but it makes sense that Superman has faster than normal human brain reaction time, if not then it wouldn’t make scene that he could fly at the speed of light and not run into everything.
heh, the assumption that superman is going to speedblitz an old man in a wheelchair really makes me think you guys are reaching. superman would never hit charles xavier and you all know it.
on the flip side, charles would never mind wipe somebody unless he really had no other choice so that won't be happening either, but he would/could make superman believe he is a child and to all onlookers, superman would be charles's bytch.
the reason why charles xavier would always beat superman in a majority is that superman won't do anything to him because he is a boyscout. thats why luthor survived however many years he did.
Originally posted by Mindset
Instantaneously.I've never heard of it taking time for a thought to travel in comics...
Lilandra and Xavier were able to communicate via telepathy over Light Years with no lag so you're right. It's also been stated that telepathy is conception and execution as one.
The problem here is that Xavier's conceiving a thought is much slower then Supermans conceiving a thought since Supes can like read every book in a library and understand the content in each and every one them in mere seconds Plus his superior thought processing allows him to avoid/react to projectiles moving at very high speeds.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakHowever I have seen it take time for the likes of Xavier and Emma, if it was truly instantaneous all the time then they would never have a problem finding people. I have only seen it be instantaneous and limitless in distance when he has already communicated with them and not when he is actively trying to take over someone’s mind that he doesn’t know. There are also other things to take into consideration that Superman’s mind is alien and that if there is any type of resistance that will also slow Xavier’s time. As for the quote of Superman speed blitzing Xavier he doesn’t have to punch him just flick him in the forehead and knock him out.
Lilandra and Xavier were able to communicate via telepathy over Light Years with no lag so you're right. It's also been stated that telepathy is conception and execution as one.The problem here is that Xavier's conceiving a thought is much slower then Supermans conceiving a thought since Supes can like read every book in a library and understand the content in each and every one them in mere seconds Plus his superior thought processing allows him to avoid/react to projectiles moving at very high speeds.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
However I have seen it take time for the likes of Xavier and Emma, if it was truly instantaneous all the time then they would never have a problem finding people.
Magneto interfered with the Earth's Magnetic Field making it difficult to use long range telepathy so that would explain the reason why sometimes that happens. Most of the time though as for finding people, telepaths seem to be doing just fine. eg Emma seemed to be doing fine in the Messiah Complex and Blinded by the light without any amplification. Heck the Cuckoos were fine in finding Cable who even had TP blockers on him.
Interference from other telepaths and psi-blockers can make it difficult to locate people as well.
Can you give me a few of examples of what you mean since Xavier and Lilandra have communicated via telepathy over light years with no lag.
I have only seen it be instantaneous and limitless in distance when he has already communicated with them and not when he is actively trying to take over someone’s mind that he doesn’t know.
If telepathy did have a speed then there would be a lag in the conversation between Xavier and Lilandra. And they wouldn't state that it's thought and execution as one.
Also Emma has taken control of an airport employee in Tokyo(Someone she's never met) while in her office laughing with Scott, the Employee was repeating what she was saying word for word and Emma was able to communicate with Wolverine though him. She then mind wiped him afterwards.
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Originally posted by ExodusCloakI don’t have access to any scans right now since I’m at work, but I will try and find some. I have stated that there doesn’t seem to be any consistency in the time it takes a telepath to do there thing. I have seen it take some time and I’m not talking about minutes but we are dealing with microseconds for this debate. As for you scans they are both the same but it is reasonable that she links through Logan to the man not just picking him out of the air, she knows where Logan is and can see the man but I just assuming from the scan.
Magneto interfered with the Earth's Magnetic Field making it difficult to use long range telepathy so that would explain the reason why sometimes that happens. Most of the time though as for finding people, telepaths seem to be doing just fine. eg Emma seemed to be doing fine in the Messiah Complex and Blinded by the light without any amplification. Heck the Cuckoos were fine in finding Cable who even had TP blockers on him.
Interference from other telepaths and psi-blockers can make it difficult to locate people as well.Can you give me a few of examples of what you mean since Xavier and Lilandra have communicated via telepathy over light years with no lag.
If telepathy did have a speed then there would be a lag in the conversation between Xavier and Lilandra. And they wouldn't state that it's thought and execution as one.
Also Emma has taken control of an airport employee in Tokyo(Someone she's never met) while in her office laughing with Scott, the Employee was repeating what she was saying word for word and Emma was able to communicate with Wolverine though him. She then mind wiped him afterwards.
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Originally posted by Da Pittman
I don’t have access to any scans right now since I’m at work, but I will try and find some. I have stated that there doesn’t seem to be any consistency in the time it takes a telepath to do there thing. I have seen it take some time and I’m not talking about minutes but we are dealing with microseconds for this debate. As for you scans they are both the same but it is reasonable that she links through Logan to the man not just picking him out of the air, she knows where Logan is and can see the man but I just assuming from the scan.
But the thing is if telepathy wasn't instantaneous there would still be a lag because the thought still has to tranverse light years. The Shiar Empire is also many, many light years away from Earth.
Also Nate Grey can form Multiversal Psi-Links as well. 😬
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Also Telepaths powers are always on, they're constantly receive thoughts which they have to block out.
I think what you're talking about is filtering thoughts. Usually if someone is halfway across the world a telepath would probably have to filter out the a whole bunch of background thoughts so they can isolate one mind.
But even then they're able to do that very quickly(There are 8 billion minds in Rogue's head here)
And objective time is different to telepathic time http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2032fs2.jpg
Originally posted by ExodusCloakI do understand what you are saying but doing it very quickly is different then microseconds which it would need to take place, even if it was only a couple of seconds in lag time to communicate over light years the person on the other end wouldn’t even know the difference like talking long distance over the phone.
But the thing is if telepathy wasn't instantaneous there would still be a lag because the thought still has to tranverse light years. The Shiar Empire is also many, many light years away from Earth.Also Nate Grey can form Multiversal Psi-Links as well. 😬
Here's both scans:
Also Telepaths powers are always on, they're constantly receive thoughts which they have to block out.
I think what you're talking about is filtering thoughts. Usually if someone is halfway across the world a telepath would probably have to filter out the a whole bunch of background thoughts so they can isolate one mind.
But even then they're able to do that very quickly(There are 8 billion minds in Rogue's head here)
And objective time is different to telepathic time http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2032fs2.jpg
Here is a scan of him working on an alien mind and it is taking time for him to read it and communicate.
