Originally posted by Mr Master
IMO stalemate,they're using the same weapon with the same capabilities.
stalemate.
Unless we consider Quasar's Quantum bands, granting him a quicker trigger finger.
We are talking about ON PANEL showings. having the same capabilities is not the point. I can drive a porche ok. But a race car driver can drive the same care much better. Same capabilities. totally differnt results.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually You are using someone elses flawed logic to try and back up the fact that they DID indeed use the UN for different uses and thus differnt power lvls.
No evidence whatsoever in any Bio or Comic book that states the UN comes in different power levels, the only thing we know is that the distance of Nullification can be tweaked,
other than that, the UN is as powerful now as it was the first time it was introduced.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You CANNOT EVER say that the IG is more powerful than the UN being used by Reed to set the multiverse when there is absolutely concretely NO evidence to suggest this.
Yes there is,
an Incomplete IG is above the UN energies:
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,
Absolute control..
"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has the IG ever been used on Multiple realities at once? And I"m not talking about the magus envisioning thus. I'm talking about realities created by the MultiEternity and thus taken over by an IG wielder. No.
Yes.
Magus Merged Two UniverseS in an instant with an Incomplete IG.
The LT said,
the IG if formed in Rune's Multiverse, could take down his and,
"perhaps Our Own Universe aswell"
The LT was speaking about Prime Multiverse that houses the 616 Universe,
the Multiverse he oversees primarily as Judge.
You want the Proof, just ask. 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has an ig wielder ever EVER shown power of the multieternity or a multiversal being? Nope. Not ever.
Only the LT has been proven to be above the IG conclusively.
That's not a Multiversal being, that's an Omniversal Entity, most powerful force in Marvel,
below TOAA.
Originally posted by Mr Master
No evidence whatsoever in any Bio or Comic book that states the UN comes in different power levels, the only thing we know is that the distance of Nullification can be tweaked,other than that, the UN is as powerful now as it was the first time it was introduced.
Yes there is,
an Incomplete IG is above the UN energies:
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,
Absolute control..
"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"Yes.
Magus Merged Two UniverseS in an instant with an Incomplete IG.
The LT said,
the IG if formed in Rune's Multiverse, could take down his and,
"perhaps Our Own Universe aswell"
The LT was speaking about Prime Multiverse that houses the 616 Universe,
the Multiverse he oversees primarily as Judge.
You want the Proof, just ask. 🙂
Only the LT has been proven to be above the IG conclusively.
That's not a Multiversal being, that's an Omniversal Entity, most powerful force in Marvel,
below TOAA.
All of this you speak is double speak from your own desire to always be right. You are conclusively wrong. Galactus is much more powerful than he was portrayed to be back then as well. You CANNOT take a showing from something 20 years ago, and somehow compare it to a showing from today and then say that it's in fact the same lvl or power. The writers of the IG saga never intended for the UN to be multiversal back then becuz it wasn't. So now tha it's being used in that way, you think of som dumb witted way to try and say the IG is multiversal. WTF. And the LT saying somethign perhaps is hyperbole. The IG has never been shown as being a threat to any multibeing. You actually think the multi-Death gives a damned about the IG? NOT! It's less than her. Even the combined Eternity and Infinity didn't give a damn about the IG.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlAs far as on panel showings go, Reed's UN showing was better.
We are talking about ON PANEL showings. having the same capabilities is not the point. I can drive a porche ok. But a race car driver can drive the same care much better. Same capabilities. totally differnt results.
Why?
Because Quasar was only trying to destroy a single being.
Reed on the other hand, was actually trying to, and succeeded in, resetting the Multiverse.
In short,
The same exact weapon was used in both instances, and this weapon has the exact same overall power, but it was simply used in completely different ways.
Originally posted by Galan007
As far as on panel showings go, Reed's UN showing was better.Why?
Because Quasar was only trying to destroy a single being.
Reed on the other hand, was actually trying to, and succeeded in, resetting the Multiverse.
In short,
The same exact weapon was used in both instances, and this weapon has the exact same overall power, but it was simply used in completely different ways.
Who says the weapon has the same over all power? When was the story written about the IG war? Now when was the UN resetting the multiverse written? Case closed.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl🤨
Who says the weapon has the same over all power? When was the story written about the IG war? Now when was the UN resetting the multiverse written? Case closed.
The UN has NEVER been shown as being powered up over the years, so you can't say it's more powerful now, simply because it was used differently. 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
🤨The UN has NEVER been shown as being powered up over the years, so you can't say it's more powerful now, simply because it was used differently. 😬
I'll explain it simple. Just becuz Superman Pwned Despero with Heat vision recently, doesn't mean that killer frost from the 90's can beat Despero just becuz She pwns Superman's heat vision from then.
According to your logic, Superman's heat vision hasn't had an official upgrade. Just like the UN hasn't had an official one.
So becuz Killer frost has been able to completely dominate Superman's heat vision in the past, this means that she now can WTF pwn Despero becuz Despero has been put down by the same heat vision. You can't retroactively do feat comparisons. Which is what you guys are trying to do and it doesn't work.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlGeeze... 🙄
I'll explain it simple. Just becuz Superman Pwned Despero with Heat vision recently, doesn't mean that killer frost from the 90's can beat Despero just becuz She pwns Superman's heat vision from then.According to your logic, Superman's heat vision hasn't had an official upgrade. Just like the UN hasn't had an official one.
So becuz Killer frost has been able to completely dominate Superman's heat vision in the past, this means that she now can WTF pwn Despero becuz Despero has been put down by the same heat vision. You can't retroactively do feat comparisons. Which is what you guys are trying to do and it doesn't work.
There is just no debating with you.
You have an opinion in your head, so you will simply not listen to anyone but yourself. 😬
Anyhow,
I'm not going to post in here anymore.
This will just turn into another "name calling" thread that Digi will have to close, due to excessive reports.
-Peace out. 😎
Originally posted by Galan007
Geeze... 🙄There is just no debating with you.
You have an opinion in your head, so you will simply not listen to anyone but yourself. 😬
Anyhow,
I'm not going to post in here anymore.
This will just turn into another "name calling" thread that Digi will have to close, due to excessive reports.
-Peace out. 😎
I haven't called anyone a name. But you know I'm right. You just won't admit to it. You are using ABC logic with panel feats to justify you saying the IG is actually Multiversal in the true sense.
Originally posted by Galan007
You will, sooner or later.
Sure you are. 👆
No I won't. If I decide that people are stuck in thier ways and refuse to use good scientific logic, then I'll take a break like I have been doing. Any good researcher, Debator, or scientist will tell you that the circumstances and operators and Time frame, have integral parts of the equation. You change one and you have a new equation. in this case the only thing that is the same is that the UN was being used. But everything else changes thus making the comparisons based upon feats from completely differnt times null and void and wishfull thinking. Unless you think WOnder Woman using the God wave can beat THe LT. Cronos certainly beat everyone who would be equal to or greater than the LT with the very same God wave.
So you have proof that the UN was at two different power levels?
If not then how can you assume that it was?
Unlike heat vision which is tied to a character who's powered by sunlight and gets stronger the more sunlight he hasavailable to him. The UN is a serpate machine. are we to assume that machines naturally evovle themselves without assistance?
Say you build a computer today. now you use this computer once to make a webpage because that's all you need. Now in 60 years you come back to this very same computer and use it again this time to make an entire website. Would the computer have improved itself due to natural evolution like you imply happened with the UN? or would it have preformed better due to someone using it in a different way than before?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you have proof that the UN was at two different power levels?If not then how can you assume that it was?
Unlike heat vision which is tied to a character who's powered by sunlight and gets stronger the more sunlight he hasavailable to him. The UN is a serpate machine. are we to assume that machines naturally evovle themselves without assistance?
Say you build a computer today. now you use this computer once to make a webpage because that's all you need. Now in 60 years you come back to this very same computer and use it again this time to make an entire website. Would the computer have improved itself due to natural evolution like you imply happened with the UN? or would it have preformed better due to someone using it in a different way than before?
You do realize that The UN is a part of Galactus who is a being that also grows and reduces in power. Nuff said.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSo there's another variable that you left out.
You do realize that The UN is a part of Galactus who is a being that also grows and reduces in power. Nuff said.
In that case what powerlevel was galactus at when Quasar used it? What about when Reed used it?
What about for this hypothetical..
What power level is Reed's Galactus at?
What power level is Quasar's Galactus at?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So there's another variable that you left out.In that case what powerlevel was galactus at when Quasar used it? What about when Reed used it?
What about for this hypothetical..
What power level is Reed's Galactus at?
What power level is Quasar's Galactus at?
Big G was shown to be the prime big G as of When Reed used the UN. We do know that Big at the time was pwned and wrapped up when quasar was using the UN. For all we know, the magus depowered him alot. I don't remember the story off hand with all details.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSo the circumstances in which they were even able to use the UN were completely different.
Big G was shown to be the prime big G as of When Reed used the UN. We do know that Big at the time was pwned and wrapped up when quasar was using the UN. For all we know, the magus depowered him alot. I don't remember the story off hand with all details.
Different uses, different users, different base power sources...
Looks like you have too many altered variables to support your hypothesis my friend. You're leading the evidence. Your logic is flawed thus your conclusion is invalid.
Now again, I'll ask you for this hypothetical situation is the Galactus of Quasar's UN at the same powerlevel as the Galactus of Reed's UN?
How many variables are you forcibly changing to get the results you want?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So the circumstances in which they were even able to use the UN were completely different.Different uses, different users, different base power sources...
Looks like you have too many altered variables to support your hypothesis my friend. You're leading the evidence. Your logic is flawed thus your conclusion is invalid.
Now again, I'll ask you for this hypothetical situation is the Galactus of Quasar's UN at the same powerlevel as the Galactus of Reed's UN?
How many variables are you forcibly changing to get the results you want?
You saying the same thing I"m saying. I'm saying they cannot be the same becuz of all the variables. I'm arguing against Galan and Mr. Master who conclude that they are indeed at the same lvl even with all those varying circumstances.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you have proof that the UN was at two different power levels?If not then how can you assume that it was?
Unlike heat vision which is tied to a character who's powered by sunlight and gets stronger the more sunlight he hasavailable to him. The UN is a serpate machine. are we to assume that machines naturally evovle themselves without assistance?
Say you build a computer today. now you use this computer once to make a webpage because that's all you need. Now in 60 years you come back to this very same computer and use it again this time to make an entire website. Would the computer have improved itself due to natural evolution like you imply happened with the UN? or would it have preformed better due to someone using it in a different way than before?
Impressive.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So the circumstances in which they were even able to use the UN were completely different.Different uses, different users, different base power sources...
Looks like you have too many altered variables to support your hypothesis my friend. You're leading the evidence. Your logic is flawed thus your conclusion is invalid.
Now again, I'll ask you for this hypothetical situation is the Galactus of Quasar's UN at the same powerlevel as the Galactus of Reed's UN?
How many variables are you forcibly changing to get the results you want?
Owned.
*edit* btw, good question,
Galactus was the same in 92' as he was 2001, as he still is the balance of the Universe.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Big G was shown to be the prime big G as of When Reed used the UN. We do know that Big at the time was pwned and wrapped up when quasar was using the UN. For all we know, the magus depowered him alot. I don't remember the story off hand with all details.
Actually Galactus during the time of the Infinity Wars was pretty powerful, id say more powerful than the version that was used during th abarax arc.
I say this because Galactus was able to Survive and reform himself his ship Surfer, Nova and Dr. Strange from a blast from Mangus with 5 cosmic cubes. Also Galactus himself comments how mangus underestimate his power.
Another thing to note is Galactus was pretty much on top of his game in the Infinity Gauntlet Saga when he went to fight Thanos w/IG. This is Shorty before the UN insident with Quasar.
You saying that Big G was at his prime during the time of Abarax is kinda speculative, especially since nova was able to damage him heavily.
