Quasar With the UN vs. Reed Richards with the UN

Started by Symmetric Chaos5 pages
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Retroactive retcons cannot be used to justify something in the past. The past action must stand on it's own. Or else We could play those silly games in every comic debate.

I was pointing out that retcon's are by their very nature retroactive. But nevermind.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just noticed ... you were serious. 🤨

Yes. Meaning it was a retcon of origin. Not of ACTION and Power lvl.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Quasar has FTL speed, he can just grab Reed's UN before he even has a chance to think of firing it.

I suggested Quasar's speed earlier on too,

with a quicker trigger finger, if that was the forced set up of the battle.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How does a computer "get smarter"?

Lets say that the time between is as soon as one of us finishes the next person starts on the same computer. The others wait their turn and don't study computers.

Who's better at using a computer? The person made a story, made music, or made a picture?

Computers get smarter while in use. Or haven't you noticed after you go to a site a couple of times, it will then start taking you to the site on it's own. And It's not who's better at using the computer on it's own, it's who actually accomplishes what they set out to do, the size and scope of the project, and the actual energy and ram needed to finish said product. Nice try.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was pointing out that retcon's are by their very nature retroactive. But nevermind.

I know, but when using a retcon to justify feats, it's get very very iffy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Computers get smarter while in use. Or haven't you noticed after you go to a site a couple of times, it will then start taking you to the site on it's own.

Thats an algorithm preprogramed into the system. It didn't learn to do that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I suggested Quasar's speed earlier on too,

with a quicker trigger finger, it that was the forced set up of the battle.

This is true. If all of the variables in the situation are the same then the answer would obviously come down to initiative. Who moves first.

Then if we factor in the natural abilities of the users then the fast user would obviously win with their "kill shot" first.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Computers get smarter while in use. Or haven't you noticed after you go to a site a couple of times, it will then start taking you to the site on it's own. And It's not who's better at using the computer on it's own, it's who actually accomplishes what they set out to do, the size and scope of the project, and the actual energy and ram needed to finish said product. Nice try.
So the answer is "not you." Since you obviously don't understand the software part of a computer.

Lets swap out the dead weight in the analogy for someone who knows what they're talking about.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats an algorithm preprogramed into the system. It didn't learn to do that.

Symmetric chaos, I choose you to be one of the computer users in my analogy. You know about cookies right?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes. Meaning it was a retcon of origin. Not of ACTION and Power lvl.

So you agree that Galactus in 92' was the same as Galactus in 2001, as Galactus now?

Which means that your UN theory increasing in power due to Galactus's increase because of their relationship,

was incorrect,

because Galactus in fact hasn't had a power boost since then?

Because Galactus was the balance of the Universe then and he was in 2001 as he is now.

The ONLY difference between 92' and 2001 (had Galactus died in 92) was Abraxas,

in 92' when Abraxas did not exist, the Universe would have still collapsed only on it's own, shortly followed by a chain reaction of other UniverseS, until the Multiverse is folded.

In 2001, we were given a Manifestation of that collpase in the form of a being called Abraxas.

1992 and 2001 would have still resulted in the same finality had Galactus 616 died.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Symmetric chaos, I choose you to be one of the computer users in my analogy. You know about cookies right?

Yeah . . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
So the answer is "not you." Since you obviously don't understand the software part of a computer.

Lets swap out the dead weight in the analogy for someone who knows what they're talking about.

Symmetric chaos, I choose you to be one of the computer users in my analogy. You know about cookies right?

No need in being insulting. The point remains the same. It depends on the size of each project, who actually accomplishes thier goal, and who does the more complex project. The results determine who used the computer the best. At maximum capacity. Unless you think me typing an 80 page report is equal to someone who used Power Point to create a thousand sheet moving presentation complete with graphs and sound attachments. Please don't be a jerk.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So you agree that Galactus in 92' was the same as Galactus in 2001, as Galactus now?

Which means that your UN theory increasing in power due to Galactus's increase because of their relationship,

was incorrect,

because Galactus in fact hasn't had a power boost since then?

Because Galactus was the balance of the Universe then and he was in 2001 as he is now.

The ONLY difference between 92' and 2001 (had Galactus died in 92) was Abraxas,

in 92' when Abraxas did not exist, the Universe would have still collapsed only on it's own, shortly followed by a chain reaction of other UniverseS, until the Multiverse is folded.

In 2001, we were given a Manifestation of that collpase in the form of a being called Abraxas.

1992 and 2001 would have still resulted in the same finality had Galactus 616 died.

NO. Galactus was not the same. The Revelation of where he actually came from and what his death meant changes everything.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah . . .
Good. That means you're not going to say anything retarded like:

Computers get smarter while in use. Or haven't you noticed

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No need in being insulting. The point remains the same. It depends on the size of each project, who actually accomplishes thier goal, and who does the more complex project. The results determine who used the computer the best. At maximum capacity. Unless you think me typing an 80 page report is equal to someone who used Power Point to create a thousand sheet moving presentation complete with graphs and sound attachments. Please don't be a jerk.
Did I say power point presentation?

No, I said one perosn writes a story. One person composes a piece of music, the other person makes a piece of art.

Don't be a jerk? This coming from someone who says "Nice try." all the time?

You still don't get it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Good. That means you're not going to say anything retarded like:

Doesn't matter if the computer is programmed for it or not. A Human child is born with all of it's potential at once as well. But guess what, It learns and adapts. It's part of the programming. A computer can be programmed to get smarter as time goes on. At any rate, I have already shown that outcome is as important as the user and the time. Nuff said. Reed with the UN had a bigger and better outcome than Quasar with the UN. Period.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did I say power point presentation?

No, I said one perosn writes a story. One person composes a piece of music, the other person makes a piece of art.

Don't be a jerk? This coming from someone who says "Nice try." all the time?

You still don't get it.

Doesn't matter. If someone writes a story, they are only using basic functions of word. In order to write music, one would have to know theory, and know how to use the music program. One who makes art has to use various programs all more complicated than the simple use of word. All of these different programs will take different amounts of energy, differnt RAM and memory, and differnt skill levels to achieve. good night.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Galactus was not the same. The Revelation of where he actually came from and what his death meant changes everything.

Baaaaack in the day.

Before Infinity was even in the picture, far before Abraxas was even thought of:

When the Universe was Eternity and Death,

Galactus stated to be what cures the imperfections that unbalance the Universe,

same as he does with Abraxas, the living inbalance between Eternity & Infinity now.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter if the computer is programmed for it or not. A Human child is born with all of it's potential at once as well. But guess what, It learns and adapts. It's part of the programming. A computer can be programmed to get smarter as time goes on. At any rate, I have already shown that outcome is as important as the user and the time. Nuff said. Reed with the UN had a bigger and better outcome than Quasar with the UN. Period.
I'm sorry I can no longer debate with you. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Baaaaack in the day.

Before Infinity was even in the picture, far before Abraxas was even thought of:

When the Universe was Eternity and Death,

Galactus stated to be what cures the imperfections that unbalance the Universe,

same as he does with Abraxas, the living inbalance between Eternity & Infinity now.

Nah. Eternity and Death are Universal. The abraxas arc is so much more. It's about the MultiEternity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter. If someone writes a story, they are only using basic functions of word. In order to write music, one would have to know theory, and know how to use the music program. One who makes art has to use various programs all more complicated than the simple use of word. All of these different programs will take different amounts of energy, differnt RAM and memory, and differnt skill levels to achieve. good night.
I take it you don't even know anything about writing stories, composing music OR making art..