What is your Duality Argument?

Started by Mindship5 pages

dancingcheese

So, you're talking about dichotomy?

Its a socially constructed process, especially of dichotomies such as male and female - and especially since those two are not actually in reality dichotomies (some males, may feel and count themselves as females and vice versa, people who have changed their sex or intersexuality).

[edit] Worded the last bit wrong. Dualities exist, but are NOT a dichotomy.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Dualities in reality, do not really exlusivelly exist. There is always a middle.

That doesn't remove dualities.

There can be a middle and still be two polar opposites. And sometimes you don't even have that.

For magnetic north and south the middle ground is basicly nothing at all.

At Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, NY, there exists no duality, for if you're not a Buffalo Bills fan, you get beaten and shoved into a porto-potty in front of your girl. True story from last year.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
With humans it's always one extreme or another. Never an interval between he two. Unless someone's already mentioned it:

Race
Black x White

YES, peer pressure, people will get others to make that person chose either way, and from what i know if the blacks want to "put that person in their place", they will try to get whites to do it for them, like pawns or something, I can use myself as an example, I am mixed Indian and Hispanic, not one of those groups try to dominate me, they look at me and can tell I am part of them, but they will not get whites to try peer-pressure a person into being in the group, that' s b/c they don't need to, when blacks do this, when i see it in my life or the life of others, it shows that the group really isn't a good group to be associated with, b/c when you have something good, you don't need to bully people into it for fear that they may never have anything to do with that group, plenty of indians and hispanics only associate with whites, and i never witnessed other indians or hispanics bullying them into "staying in their place", but i have seen this tactic done PLENTY OF TIMES by blacks or haitians. remember FOTN, he claims dominican, but again, i never heard dominicans attack whites that way, ONLY HAITIANS, very racist people, who pretend as if they are not, but uses people like FOTN to rally the "team". I've NEVER met a Dominican that talks the way he does, he talks like a pro-black Isalmist/Muslim like the farakahn group. if the group was a good group, they would never have to harass people or get whites to "put them in their place"...the only reason a group will do that is if there is something wrong. If you have a nice house, do you have to beg people to visit it? Do you have to harass the neighbhors where you live that you should move out and live among the nicer homes? Of course not! But you could see someone who PRETENDS to have something nice, and then harasses you and people who they think you get along with to "pin you in the place they want to see you", which is right beside them, why? that's slavery right there, but just using whites to do it on the other end. pro-blacks have more to gain out of this then regular blacks who probably can careless what another human being is thinking or doing, and part of those pro-blacks are Haitians, as FOTN keeps saying he is Dominican, but I HAVE NEVER MEET SOMEONE WHO IS SO (mixed black) FORCEFUL AND MEAN SPIRITED TOWARD WHITES (or any other group) UNLESS THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH HAITIANS OR PRO-BLACKS. They are the ones who want one drop rule so they will have more people to control.

internal conflict i think. {sorta freudian} other than the fact that we dont have unidimensional thinking {which creates purely thought based conflict} and the fact that our initial biological programming{instinct} is in conflict with both our inability as phyical beings to do whatever we want and also with the society's norms etc. this nurtures from birth, a thinking pattern based on conflict{id even go so far as to state that contemplation as wee see it, wudnt be POSSIBLE without internal conflict} which often times feals a partial sort of internal PEACE when conflict is in the atmosphere. that sorta translates into our communication, way of life, knowledge, how we retain memory and ofcourse, language, the usage of which, further reinforced the conlicting views.

Originally posted by Mindship
God exists vs God doesn't exist
Reductionism vs Holism

you mean something like:

atheism vs God

gnostic vs atheism

Regarding Reductionism vs Holism:

I know that when a student is studying, it's good for them to figure out if they think holistically or if they like to work from the bottom up. Teachers have their own style, some start from the bottom up and others work from the big picture and work down...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
internal conflict i think. {sorta freudian} other than the fact that we dont have unidimensional thinking {which creates purely thought based conflict} and the fact that our initial biological programming{instinct} is in conflict with both our inability as phyical beings to do whatever we want and also with the society's norms etc. this nurtures from birth, a thinking pattern based on conflict{id even go so far as to state that contemplation as wee see it, wudnt be POSSIBLE without internal conflict} which often times feals a partial sort of internal PEACE when conflict is in the atmosphere. that sorta translates into our communication, way of life, knowledge, how we retain memory and ofcourse, language, the usage of which, further reinforced the conlicting views.

do you feel that this is because of our dna in itself, the fact that it's a duality of helixes, one on the right and the other on the left...where do you feel this intrinsic duality exists in our physical body? (DNA, the brain wiring, etc.)?

which kinda looks like (caduceus):

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
you mean something like:
atheism vs God
gnostic vs atheism

I was thinking of writing "Theism vs Atheism," but I wanted less emphasis on the belief systems, as opposed to the central concepts in each belief system (I'm splitting hairs, I know). I was even thinking of writing it as "Reality as Big Machine vs Reality as Consciousness," this way minimizing any preconceived/Biblical notions of "God."

Regarding Reductionism vs Holism:

I know that when a student is studying, it's good for them to figure out if they think holistically or if they like to work from the bottom up. Teachers have their own style, some start from the bottom up and others work from the big picture and work down...


I was thinking in terms of, will a more complete picture of reality come from a reductionistic approach or a holistic one?

A third duality, related (at least in part) to the above dualities:
A teleological universe vs a nonteleological universe.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
hug it's ok bradock...

Aww, you nice, black lady hug

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
do you feel that this is because of our dna in itself, the fact that it's a duality of helixes, one on the right and the other on the left...where do you feel this intrinsic duality exists in our physical body? (DNA, the brain wiring, etc.)?

which kinda looks like (caduceus):

i dont think its cause of our complementary{or conflicting as u see it} base pairing of dna at all. even though from a mathematical perspective its conflicting, the same relatoin/operator/function doesnt hold true in what we see as real life and has no consequence on BEHAVIOURAL or MENTAL conflict. also, the dna bases UNZIP before trancripton to mRNA and tRNA finally creating the protien in question. i think its cause of the reason i mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Aww, you nice, black lady hug

Awe, you nice (white) conduit person who likes to be used by blacks to "put them in their place" even though I said I am not a black person by idenity or culture, who thinks you have the right to tell someone who they are b/c the pro-blacks want you to and work against a person's FREE WILL idenity unless the issue is of gayness, ops, I meant homosexuality, and you know darn well if pro-blacks weren't using peer pressure for you to do this, you wouldn't concern yourself one way or another with what I identified with, but for you to dismiss your own white cultural value of respecting a person's free will that is well known with white culture, just to be the "black pusher" to impose "who does she think she is" and "too high on the stratus" or whatever these pro-blacks tell you to get you to be their pawn. Now that was a run on sentence!

It's ok, I already know their game, you'll figure it out soon enough.

hug

[QUOTE=]Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Dualities in reality, do not really exlusivelly exist. There is always a middle.
[/QUOTE]

So...I take it you changed your opinion on opposites as well then?

Couldn't you have done so before I got banned?

[QUOTE=]Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The opposite of me is you, actually.

Opposite of me as an object would be male.

''Here's a list of things I'd like to know the opposite of then:''

Flying - falling
Drowning - swimming, or being on the land, not drowning
Chocolate - no chocolate
TV - no TV
Book - No book
Bardock42 - no bardock42
George W. Bush - No George W. Bush
The Sun - No sun
The USA - Any other country, or no USA
Music - silence or no music
Earth - air, or no earth
Five - minus 5, or no 5, or 0
Zero - something - any other number that isn't 'zero' is its opposite.
The letter "B" - no letter B
The Batman Sign - No batman sign

Opposite of something that IS, is something that ISN'T that. How complicated is that.

Something is something, because its not the other. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=]Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Awe, you nice (white) conduit person who likes to be used by blacks to "put them in their place" even though I said I am not a black person by idenity or culture, who thinks you have the right to tell someone who they are b/c the pro-blacks want you to and work against a person's FREE WILL idenity unless the issue is of gayness, ops, I meant homosexuality, and you know darn well if pro-blacks weren't using peer pressure for you to do this, you wouldnt' care one way or another what I identified with, but to leave the respect of a person's free will that is well known with white culture, just to be the "black pusher" to impose who thinks they are thinking they are too high on the stratus or whatever these pro-blacks tell you to get you to be their pawn. It's ok, I already know their game, you'll figure it out soon enough.

hug [/QUOTE]

That makes no sense.

I don't even care for Negros. I don't even know any Negro outside of KMC.

I hate FOTN as much as you if not more.

But you are a freaking racist weirdo, you are no better than him in my book.

hug

Originally posted by Mindship
I was thinking of writing "Theism vs Atheism," but I wanted less emphasis on the belief systems, as opposed to the central concepts in each belief system (I'm splitting hairs, I know). I was even thinking of writing it as "Reality as Big Machine vs Reality as Consciousness," this way minimizing any preconceived/Biblical notions of "God."

I was thinking in terms of, will a more complete picture of reality come from a reductionistic approach or a holistic one?

A third duality, related (at least in part) to the above dualities:
A teleological universe vs a nonteleological universe.

Are you thinking "big machine" as the collective consciousness of a group of people? Someone coined the phrase "borhian mind" but that never took off. As Neils Borh was rumored to believe that the mind is a collective network but he was often mocked and not really treated with a lot of respect among his peer group. Followers of science doesn't like to be agreeable with anything "too spiritual" or religious, aka psuedo-science. They can very snobbish toward "believers".

Originally posted by Bardock42
[QUOTE=]Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
[B]Awe, you nice (white) conduit person who likes to be used by blacks to "put them in their place" even though I said I am not a black person by idenity or culture, who thinks you have the right to tell someone who they are b/c the pro-blacks want you to and work against a person's FREE WILL idenity unless the issue is of gayness, ops, I meant homosexuality, and you know darn well if pro-blacks weren't using peer pressure for you to do this, you wouldnt' care one way or another what I identified with, but to leave the respect of a person's free will that is well known with white culture, just to be the "black pusher" to impose who thinks they are thinking they are too high on the stratus or whatever these pro-blacks tell you to get you to be their pawn. It's ok, I already know their game, you'll figure it out soon enough.

hug

That makes no sense.

I don't even care for Negros. I don't even know any Negro outside of KMC.

I hate FOTN as much as you if not more.

But you are a freaking racist weirdo, you are no better than him in my book.

hug [/B][/QUOTE]

How can I be a racist weirdo BY YOU if you don't care for Negros! Now, that doesn't make any sense. I can careless how you feel about negroes, but you sure are working for them! You can't be good at chess, I would be surprised if you are good at chess, b/c you should be able to see the games that YOU are playing into, you are a pawn, it doesn't matter if you dislike the ones using peer pressure to get you to behave and think the way you are thinking, you are still DOING it, so you are still a pawn.

And btw, who cares if you find me weird or not, unlike yourself, I actually respect a person's free will opinion, you could tell me that you hate all humans and love only cats and birds, I am not going to harass you or bother you or try to "put you in your place". If that's what you identify with, then be my guest, I'm not your god, and I won't get other posters to bother you b/c of your beliefs or experiences in life, it's just not my kind of culture to harass someone and heckel them just b/c they do not like to be dominated, I won't dominate or heckel someone for expressing their opinion, I won't dominate or heckel someone just b/c they don't want to be around a group that has bothered them in the past and the present. I just don't play dominate/heckel peer pressure games, something that you lords don't seem to understand, I don't break from peer pressure, lol. I don't mind being called weirdo. I am what I am, and I am confortable knowing what happened to me and who I identify with ON THE INSIDE, if that makes you uncomfortable, my apologies, but, I do not play peer pressure click games (shakes head), I am not that kind of person to break and the fact that they want me to break is one of the myraid reasons why I distain them, unlike you, I actually have reasons for disliking negroes and they are real and tangable reasons. If you find that weird, go ahead and feel that way, think positive or negative, I am not your god or lord or master, so think what you wish!

hug

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

How can I be a racist weirdo BY YOU if you don't care for Negros! Now, that doesn't make any sense. I can careless how you feel about negroes, but you sure are working for them! You can't be good at chess, I would be surprised if you are good at chess, b/c you should be able to see the games that YOU are playing into, you are a pawn, it doesn't matter if you dislike the ones using peer pressure to get you to behave and think the way you are thinking, you are still DOING it, so you are still a pawn.

And btw, who cares if you find me weird or not, unlike yourself, I actually respect a person's free will opinion, you could tell me that you hate all humans and love only cats and birds, I am not going to harass you or bother you or try to "put you in your place". If that's what you identify with, then be my guest, I'm not your god, and I won't get other posters to bother you b/c of your beliefs or experiences in life, it's just not my kind of culture to harass someone and heckel them just b/c they do not like to be dominated.

hug

I am working for Blacks?

How?

And where can I get paid?

And if you are not going to harass me if I say "I think all humans should be killed" and am serious about it then there is just something wrong with you. Not all opinions are equal, contrary to what you would like to believe.

I'm half Japanese and half Black

What's with the constant racism? What happened to the whole "God made everyone equal" argument. Just because someone has arguably darker skin pigments than someone else, they're dirty or insignificant?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I'm half Japanese and half Black

What's with the constant racism? What happened to the whole "God made everyone equal" argument. Just because someone has arguably darker skin pigments than someone else, they're dirty or insignificant?

Exactly. God is omnibenevolent and can't be swayed by trivialities but he hates you cause you're black.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I'm half Japanese and half Black

What's with the constant racism? What happened to the whole "God made everyone equal" argument. Just because someone has arguably darker skin pigments than someone else, they're dirty or insignificant?

I don't believe in God.

And yes.