Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNot really.
I am talking about the tradition of venerating the apostles. That aspect of oral tradition is unscriptural.🙁
"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1)
"Brethren, be followers together with me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an example" (Phillipians 3:17)
It is likewise in 1 Thessalonians 1:6 and 2 Thessalonians 3:7.
"Remember them which have rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God; whose faith imitate, considering the end of the their manner of life" (Hebrews 13:7)
"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience" (James 5:10)
Imitation is the highest form of veneration.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really."Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1)
"Brethren, be followers together with me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an example" (Phillipians 3:17)
It is likewise in 1 Thessalonians 1:6 and 2 Thessalonians 3:7.
"Remember them which have rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God; whose faith imitate, considering the end of the their manner of life" (Hebrews 13:7)
"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience" (James 5:10)
Imitation is the highest form of veneration.
But imitation and veneration (i.e. a euphemism for worship) are two entirely different things. I can imitate your faith in Jesus without venerating you (i.e. without holding you up on a pedestal that belongs only to Jesus, praying to you, and hanging pictures of you on my wall for further ritualistic acts of devotion).
Personally, I endeavor to imitate Christ because He is my true Example for how to live.
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Originally posted by Nellinator
To venerate is not the same as to worship. Imitation is all it refers to.No one holds saints on the same pedestal as Jesus, no one prays to saints, and the pictures thing I agree with you on.
We can only hope that you do.
No, imitate does not mean venerate.
Main Entry: im·i·tate
Pronunciation: \ˈi-mə-ˌtât\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -tat·ed; -tat·ing
Etymology: Latin imitatus, past participle of imitari — more at image
Date: 1534
1 : to follow as a pattern, model, or example
2 : to be or appear like : resemble
3 : to produce a copy of : reproduce
4 : mimic, counterfeit <can imitate his father's booming voice>
synonyms see copy — im·i·ta·tor \-ˌtâ-tər\ noun
Main Entry: ven·er·ate
Pronunciation: \ˈve-nə-ˌrât\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm — more at win
Date: circa 1623
1 : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2 : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion synonyms see revere
— ven·er·a·tor \-ˌrâ-tər\ noun
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveVeneration by the very definition you gave is "to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference". This leads to imitation. Reverence simply means respect felt for someone. Therefore veneration is not worship and it practiced through imitation.
No, imitate does not mean venerate.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Veneration by the very definition you gave is "to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference". This leads to imitation. Reverence simply means respect felt for someone. Therefore veneration is not worship and it practiced through imitation.
How does veneration (which is not a Biblical term) lead to imitation? I don't believe that veneration is practiced through imitation. Besides, we are not instructed by God to venerate anyone let alone deceased believers.
Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
JIA is not a christianJesus says so
I was responding to two separate statements. I was not saying that Catholics were not Christians because the Bible says so. Here is the post that I was responding to. Notice that there are two questions. The first question asks, "
"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"
My answer to this question is, "Christians are not Catholics."
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?
The second question asks,
"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"
I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was responding to two separate statements. I was not saying that Catholics were not Christians [b]because the Bible says so. Here is the post that I was responding to. Notice that there are two questions. The first question asks, ""But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"
My answer to this question is, "Christians are not Catholics."
The second question asks,
"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"
I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so. [/B]
But the Bible means squat, so your logic is quite flawed.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The second question asks,"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"
I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so.
Can you answer my first question please ?
"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"
As for my second question, the Bible no where says that you specifically are a saint. You are in fact, quite egotistic, and rather annoying at this point. 🙄