No. I must think of the Sun as a mass, M and the Earth as mass, m. I must think of the distance between their centres of mass as r. Input those values into Newton's law of universal gravitation along with G of 6.67×10^-11 to get the resulting approximation of the gravitational force between the masses of ~ 3.5×10^22 N, which I did.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No. I must think of the Sun as a mass, M and the Earth as mass, m. I must think of the distance between their centres of mass as r. Input those values into Newton's law of universal gravitation along with G of 6.67×10^-11 to get the resulting approximation of the gravitational force between the masses of ~ 3.5×10^22 N, which I did.
And then you say it takes less mass than the earth to pull it out of orbit? You didn't do a good job.
And then I used the same universal equation inputting the values for a situation where one lifts a mass (1/3 Earth's mass) m, under the conditions of being at the surface of the Earth. Thus determining the gravitational force between the masses, which one would have to counteract for the object to be suspended, but at rest, i.e. lifted.
Fg is inversely proportional to the square of the radius.
Just accept that your hyperbole was wrong, that it's still a really big number and move along...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And then I used the same universal equation inputting the values for a situation where one lifts a mass (1/3 Earth's mass) m, under the conditions of being at the surface of the Earth. Thus determining the gravitational force between the masses, which one would have to counteract for the object to be suspended, but at rest, i.e. lifted.Fg is inversely proportional to the square of the radius.
Just accept that your hyperbole was wrong, that it's still a really big number and move along...
UM. I went to several sites to figure out how to do this. I explained it all in detail a while back. To do so again would take too much time. But most sites say you have to take the sun's mass and use it as the gravitational anchor. YOu have to take the earth's mass against the sun's mass and multiply times the number of times the sun is larger than the earth. This is how you get what the earth would weight if it were sitting on the surface of the sun. Then Divide it out by the distance away from the sun and you get the weight. I did it all in numbers before. It took too long and I dont' feel it again. At any rate the numbers are astronomical and Apollo has nothing anywhere near that kind of power.
Apollo has gotten the better of Cpt. Atom, shrugged off his best energy blasts, and recovered in mere panels from the purported "owning" Atom gave him at the surface of the sun...which required the sun as a plot device and wasn't something Atom could've accomplished normally. I don't think anyone would object that Cpt. Atom is in the same league as Diana, and his arc in Wildstorm is considered canon for both characters.
He also has the moon-clearing feat, showing that his energy output is far superior to anything Diana has done. And he has a few others notable feats, particularly the Reverend Clay fight that was posted last page, as well as the space station destruction....notable because the station had "a docking bay the size of a continent", was probably the size of a small planet altogether, and Apollo wrekcs about a third of it just from crashing into it, and he's fine afterward.
More than anything, it's just annoying to see DC'ers throw one feat out for their person, decide arbitrarily that Wildstorm isn't as good a universe and Apollo is a D-list Supes clone, and blithely assume that Apollo loses. WW isn't the only person this has happened to, and those who are touting Iron Man level people as being good matchups for Apollo obviously just don't know the character.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThat's nice. I took high-school and some undergraduate physics and learned Newton's law of universal gravitation.
UM. I went to several sites to figure out how to do this. I explained it all in detail a while back. To do so again would take too much time. But most sites say you have to take the sun's mass and use it as the gravitational anchor. YOu have to take the earth's mass against the sun's mass and multiply times the number of times the sun is larger than the earth. This is how you get what the earth would weight if it were sitting on the surface of the sun. Then Divide it out by the distance away from the sun and you get the weight. I did it all in numbers before. It took too long and I dont' feel it again. At any rate the numbers are astronomical and Apollo has nothing anywhere near that kind of power.
Let's just take the SI units of what you did to show you didn't calculate force.
x unitless ratio =
divided by distance = /m
Edit: Actually I have no idea what you mean by "take the earth's mass against the sun's mass." So thus far whatever you apparently calculated has units of "/m"
Weight i.e. force is measured in Newtons, i.e. (kg×m)/(s^2), i.e. not what you did.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's nice. I took high-school and some undergraduate physics and learned Newton's law of universal gravitation.Let's just take the SI units of what you did to show you didn't calculate force.
x unitless ratio =
divided by distance = /mEdit: Actually I have no idea what you mean by "take the earth's mass against the sun's mass." So thus far whatever you apparently calculated has units of "/m"
Weight i.e. force is measured in Newtons, i.e. (kg×m)/(s^2), i.e. not what you did.
I'm about to run to a meeting. when I get back on, I'll go back and pull up the research I did do, and post it again.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apollo has gotten the better of Cpt. Atom, shrugged off his best energy blasts, and recovered in mere panels from the purported "owning" Atom gave him at the surface of the sun...which required the sun as a plot device and wasn't something Atom could've accomplished normally. I don't think anyone would object that Cpt. Atom is in the same league as Diana, and his arc in Wildstorm is considered canon for both characters.He also has the moon-clearing feat, showing that his energy output is far superior to anything Diana has done. And he has a few others notable feats, particularly the Reverend Clay fight that was posted last page, as well as the space station destruction....notable because the station had "a docking bay the size of a continent", was probably the size of a small planet altogether, and Apollo wrekcs about a third of it just from crashing into it, and he's fine afterward.
More than anything, it's just annoying to see DC'ers throw one feat out for their person, decide arbitrarily that Wildstorm isn't as good a universe and Apollo is a D-list Supes clone, and blithely assume that Apollo loses. WW isn't the only person this has happened to, and those who are touting Iron Man level people as being good matchups for Apollo obviously just don't know the character.
I had a 🤨 moment when some one in the the previous page said that Apollo was more of a match against Namor.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
He is, I wonder what would happen when Namor lures him into the artic. It's not like Apollo's a smart enough fighter to avoid it. I'd fathom that if Namor hit Apollo in his human ear drums like Midnighter did he'd get a concussion.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYou do know weight in space means very little right.
I'm about to run to a meeting. when I get back on, I'll go back and pull up the research I did do, and post it again.
this what one would have to do. Over come the gravitational pull of the Sun and thus the Earth would move. So realistically all you have to do exert more pull than the sun.
Weight has very little say in the matter. Hence why someone can move a ton stone on the Moon. The gravity is minimal therefore you can pick up a one ton object on the moon. All you have to do is over come the gravity and once you over come the gravity exerted you can move the object.
So to pull the Earth all you have to do is overcome the gravitational pull of the Sun. Thats it. Which is still incredibly hard to do seeing as you must yourself first overcome earth's gravity on yourself. So first you must exceed earth gravity then the Sun's.
A good feat but not nearly as good as you think.
Thor's Midgard Serpent feat is much better when you take into account everything.
Apollo would give Diana a good run for her money. 😛
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
He is, I wonder what would happen when Namor lures him into the artic. It's not like Apollo's a smart enough fighter to avoid it. I'd fathom that if Namor hit Apollo in his human ear drums like Midnighter did he'd get a concussion.
MN'er had also run through the fight a million different times and knew Apollo's every move and power down to decimal points or accuracy. Much different scenario.
Besides, he's taken the force of 10 A-Bombs to his eardrums (in the fight with the evil Doctor) and was back up and fighting about a page or two later. So please, don't kid yourself. Apollo >>>>> Namor. When Namor wrecks a planet-sized space station or annexes the moon, then we'll talk.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Especially when only one side is based on known physical theory. 313
Blah, physics battles are weak. It's freaking comics people. 😬Anyway, Apollo ftw. See my above post for reasoning.
Anyway, WW should win the majority based on her feats as a whole surpassing his...
P.S. N.B. Papa Newjak, the gravity exerted by the Earth on an object of small mass outside of the Earth's atmosphere would be negligible compared to the gravity between the Earth and the Sun.
Originally posted by Priest
On the forum Apollo can be written smart..
How bout this scenario, Apollo can easily fling Namor unto the Sun by using the Door system and ramming himself with Namor though it like he did against the other Doctor.
How can Apollo be written smart if his irrationality and punch first ask questions later mentality is a defining character trait?
And if he has to do all that to take care of Namor I shutter at how much he'd have to do to take out Wondie.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
MN'er had also run through the fight a million different times and knew Apollo's every move and power down to decimal points or accuracy. Much different scenario.Besides, he's taken the force of 10 A-Bombs to his eardrums (in the fight with the evil Doctor) and was back up and fighting about a page or two later. So please, don't kid yourself. Apollo >>>>> Namor. When Namor wrecks a planet-sized space station or annexes the moon, then we'll talk.
You're doing exactly what you're accusing the DC side of doing (throwing out one time feats as an example of why such and such is superior), on average Apollo pretty much just gets his ass kicked by people Namor would probably put up a better fight against.
And remind me which was more recent again?
Him getting beat up by Midnighter, or taking the a-bombs?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Especially when only one side is based on known physical theory. 313Anyway, WW should win the majority based on her feats as a whole surpassing his...
As a whole? So we're taking how long they've been in comics as a benchmark? And it's not like all Diana's showings are uber. Are we saying she'd ignore Cpt. Atom's best blasts and pound the crap out of him unless he had a plot device? I doubt it.
Honestly, it's not like Apollo has many low showings. I'm not really sure why the collective canon of his showings makes him anything less than herald level, on par with guys like Cpt. Atom, Gladiator, etc. and at least on Diana's level if not higher.
As for Stacks accusation that I'm only recalling his highest showings....he has FAR more high showings than low showings, and I've listed probably 6-7 of them by now in my posts, not just 1. Read what I write before trying to attack my debating.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
How can Apollo be written smart if his irrationality and punch first ask questions later mentality is a defining character trait?And if he has to do all that to take care of Namor I shutter at how much he'd have to do to take out Wondie.
i wanted to use that example just because u brought out the Midnighter example 😛
In all seriousness, i think this would be a good fight, and ill give apollo the node.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
As a whole? So we're taking how long they've been in comics as a benchmark? And it's not like all Diana's showings are uber. Are we saying she'd ignore Cpt. Atom's best blasts and pound the crap out of him unless he had a plot device? I doubt it.Honestly, it's not like Apollo has many low showings. I'm not really sure why the collective canon of his showings makes him anything less than herald level, on par with guys like Cpt. Atom, Gladiator, etc. and at least on Diana's level if not higher.
As for Stacks accusation that I'm only recalling his highest showings....he has FAR more high showings than low showings, and I've listed probably 6-7 of them by now in my posts, not just 1. Read what I write before trying to attack my debating.
Apollo has way more low then high showings. Shoot I doubt you could name an Authority member that's gotten their ass kicked more then him.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotSorry I haven't done the math yet but still to overcome the gravitational pull if the Sun one must first overcome the gravitational pull the Earth exerts on them and you are right it is small compared to the Sun but it is still there 313
Especially when only one side is based on known physical theory. 313Anyway, WW should win the majority based on her feats as a whole surpassing his...
P.S. N.B. Papa Newjak, the gravity exerted by the Earth on an object of small mass outside of the Earth's atmosphere would be negligible compared to the gravity between the Earth and the Sun.