Apollo vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by DigiMark007
As a whole? So we're taking how long they've been in comics as a benchmark? And it's not like all Diana's showings are uber. Are we saying she'd ignore Cpt. Atom's best blasts and pound the crap out of him unless he had a plot device? I doubt it.

Honestly, it's not like Apollo has many low showings. I'm not really sure why the collective canon of his showings makes him anything less than herald level, on par with guys like Cpt. Atom, Gladiator, etc. and at least on Diana's level if not higher.

Her collective resume of fights and feats, make me inclined to conservatively give her the majority. Not a mammoth majority. Just a majority.

P.S. Random gripe, I don't like that there's no longer a thread review thing when previewing posts...

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Apollo has way more low then high showings. Shoot I doubt you could name an Authority member that's gotten their ass kicked more then him.

Which is why I'm able to name many feats of his while the detractors have come up with...a MN'er ear-punch?

The only other thing I could think of to help your argument (sad that I'm having to help out here) is when he loses his charge due to a lightning bolt stealing it away from him. A big weakness, no doubt, but not something Diana could take advantage of.

Seth punked everyone. So have 1-2 other Authority foes. Otherwise, I'm kinda at a loss as to what you'd be talking about.

Otherwise, any time he even has a moderate charge, he's by default the Authority's "big gun", even doing things that The Doctor doesn't have the range to deal with quickly.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
P.S. Random gripe, I don't like that there's no longer a thread review thing when previewing posts...

Yeah, not sure where that went. I'll check with some other mods.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's just a given that characters with longer histories, more popularity and/or solo titles have more feats and fights, and thus more to draw on for the forums. It's likewise a double edged sword in that you're also more likely to have those occasional really low showings.

Her collective resume of fights and feats, make me inclined to conservatively give her the majority. Not a mammoth majority. Just a majority.

P.S. Random gripe, I don't like that there's no longer a thread review thing when previewing posts...

4.5-5.5 kind of scenario going on. 😛

Awesome fight though 😉

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Which is why I'm able to name many feats of his while the detractors have come up with...a MN'er ear-punch?

The only other thing I could think of to help your argument (sad that I'm having to help out here) is when he loses his charge due to a lightning bolt stealing it away from him. A big weakness, no doubt, but not something Diana could take advantage of.

Seth punked everyone. So have 1-2 other Authority foes. Otherwise, I'm kinda at a loss as to what you'd be talking about.

Otherwise, any time he even has a moderate charge, he's by default the Authority's "big gun", even doing things that The Doctor doesn't have the range to deal with quickly.

Nobody asked or said that you should help anything, that's a personal choice.

Fake Doctor beat him down
Thor and Captain America clone beat him down
Seth beat him down
The preacher beat him down
Midnighter beat him down
Captain Atom beat him down
Even the Minute Men have gotten the better of him (speaking of which he needed Jenny Quantum to shield him from the obviously much less then 10 a-bomb explosion when the small guy exploded)

Canon fodder that even Midnighter and Swift go through like they're hand ninjas aside, ANY time Apollo has faced a big gun he's gotten his ass kicked.

As for weakness Apollo also quickly loses his charge in antartic conditions (see: Seth and Midnighter fights) him being the Authority's big gun just says something about how powerful they are, not him.

Let's see, one at a time:

Fake Doctor beat him down - "Fake"?? He was a former Doctor who had regained control of the Doctor's powers. Doctor >>>> Apollo. So that proves nothing.

Thor and Captain America clone beat him down - This was the lightning bolt trick that I mentioned. WW can't exploit the same weakness. So again, meaningless as it pertains to this fight.

Seth beat him down - Seth beat down everyone. That's like saying a loss to Odin is a bad showing. 🙄

The preacher beat him down - Same deal.

Midnighter beat him down - 1 good shot when he doesn't have any charge hardly counts. And like I said, MN'er calculations make his tactical victory possible in a H2H scenario. If he had anywhere near a normal charge, Apollo could've just incinerated the room and been fine. It's like a FL/SM thing. FL decided to fight H2H when he could've just destroyed the city. But it doesn't make him less powerful than Spidey because he lost.

Captain Atom beat him down - Yeah, no. Apollo won the encounter. Cpt. Atom needed a plot device to hurt Apollo, and even then he recovered in less than a page.

Even the Minute Men have gotten the better of him (speaking of which he needed Jenny Quantum to shield him from the obviously much less then 10 a-bomb explosion when the small guy exploded) - No one said Quantum needed to. Angie has survived a point-blank atomic explosion and she's obviously less than Apollo in terms of durability. Quantum shielded them, but most would've survived anyway.

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And artarctic conditions have little to do with it. The entire Seth arc he was locked in the Carrier with no charge...so the very fact that he held his own for a while speaks volumes. It has to do with his charge from sun radiation...and has nothing to do with climate conditions. It's like you're just making stuff up about him now.

I also like that I mentioned a few of these to point out that they had no bearing on this fight, then you used them as evidence anyway. Good times.

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So, that it? I remain unconvinced.

1.) We don't know if most of them would survive, you're doing what you hate the other side to do and are throwing out a one feat that goes beyond what the characters generally are shown capable of.

2.) The point was that Apollo always gets his butt whipped, the fake Doctor flicking him around proves this.

3.) Wonder Woman doesn't have access to a lightning bolt, just greater strength, speed, durability, standard equipment, etc. You know what would be funny? To watch Apollo stubbornly draining his solar reserves trying to get through her forcefield.

4.) Your statement would be accurate, if Seth used plot device to take down Apollo like everyone else. He didn't, he just beat the tar out of him.

5.) Midnighter took the charge from Apollo in the first place by blasting him with absolute cold. Which goes to show that Wonder Woman could just knock him into the antartic and beat the piss out of him there (though her base stats are already much much higher)

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
1.) We don't know if most of them would survive, you're doing what you hate the other side to do and are throwing out a one feat that goes beyond what the characters generally are shown capable of.

And you don't know that they wouldn't. My opinion, however, is backed by evidence from their comics. Yours is based on a biased view of Apollo's power level.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
2.) The point was that Apollo always gets his butt whipped, the fake Doctor flicking him around proves this.

Proves what, exactly? That someone who is easily more powerful than Apollo can beat him? It would be sh*t writing if he didn't get whipped. You're attempting to prove that he's < WW. Using a nigh-Skyfather level character as a measuring stick isn't helping your cause.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
3.) Wonder Woman doesn't have access to a lightning bolt, just greater strength, speed, durability, standard equipment, etc. You know what would be funny? To watch Apollo stubbornly draining his solar reserves trying to get through her forcefield.

Speed: http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=133gf.jpg
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Strength/Durability: http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94bg1.jpg
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or...you get the picture.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
4.) Your statement would be accurate, if Seth used plot device to take down Apollo like everyone else. He didn't, he just beat the tar out of him.

Once again, I'm simply at a loss if you think that losing to a creature who is more powerful than the entire combined Authority helps your case.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
5.) Midnighter took the charge from Apollo in the first place by blasting him with absolute cold. Which goes to show that Wonder Woman could just knock him into the antartic and beat the piss out of him there (though her base stats are already much much higher)

Absolute cold? Hehe...besides the fact that Apollo has a few fights in Antarctic settings (hell, he even chose to fight Seth there. Why would he do that if it drained him?? He wouldn;t) you're talking about two very different things.

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I'll relent now, because I see this is going nowhere. If anyone wants to hear an intelligent argument for Apollo, they can peruse my posts. Otherwise, I've said all I'm going to.

1.) The point was that more often then not Apollo gets his butt kicked. You said nuh uh then pointed out that the Doctor was powerful, which doesn't change the fact that Apollo always gets his butt kicked. And I haven't tried to prove anything as it's obvious to anyone unbiased that Wonder Woman is leagues above Apollo. The only thing Apollo has on her is energy projection, which is easily blocked.

2.) You think those speed/strength feats are unreplicable by Wonder Woman?

3.) Apollo CHOSE to fight Seth there because he's an idiot. Not trying to attack Apollo or anything but the man is about as battle savy as a box of rocks.

4.) And once again I'm saying you would have a point, if the being deus ex'd Apollo too (like he did to everyone else except Midnighter). He didn't, he simply beat the hell out of him. Who else in Authority did he beat up with his fist? We don't know how he got the Doctor (who was probably high in the first place), he jizzed on Swift, he absorbed Hawksmoore, and he absorbed Engineer's suit. Apollo? He just got beat up.

Wonder Woman 10/10. Losing to reality warpers is for pussies.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apollo has gotten the better of Cpt. Atom, shrugged off his best energy blasts, and recovered in mere panels from the purported "owning" Atom gave him at the surface of the sun...which required the sun as a plot device and wasn't something Atom could've accomplished normally. I don't think anyone would object that Cpt. Atom is in the same league as Diana, and his arc in Wildstorm is considered canon for both characters.

Please.

It was far from Atom's best energy blast, and either way, it was a HORRENDOUSLY low showing for Nathaniel.

Originally posted by batdude123
Please.

It was far from Atom's best energy blast, and either way, it was a HORRENDOUSLY low showing for Nathaniel.

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I know we've been over this before, but there's nothing in the entire arc to suggest anything except that he couldn't do anything to Apollo unless he was near the sun. If he thought he could beat him normally, why not just fight back? No, after stating "He's going to kill me" he proceeds to find a plot device to help him out. Clever, but inconclusive as to how their fight would turn out. So as it stands, my opinion on their matchup is the same.

You'll disagree, mostly for justifiable reasons, so I don't want to get into it too much with you since I can respect CA as well. But I had to at least get it out there.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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I know we've been over this before, but there's nothing in the entire arc to suggest anything except that he couldn't do anything to Apollo unless he was near the sun. If he thought he could beat him normally, why not just fight back? No, after stating "He's going to kill me" he proceeds to find a plot device to help him out. Clever, but inconclusive as to how their fight would turn out. So as it stands, my opinion on their matchup is the same.

You'll disagree, mostly for justifiable reasons, so I don't want to get into it too much with you since I can respect CA as well. But I had to at least get it out there.

Comics are filled with Spider-man vs. Firelord moments. 👆

We're talking about someone who's beaten Hal Jordan, Martian Manhunter, Nekron (universal being), Majestic, etc.

Has absorbed a solar system's worth of energy with ease, helped absorbed Parallax's universe, had enough energy output to reignite the mobius chair while simultaneously fixing an enormous rift in the space/time continuum, etc.

Plus, he can amp his strength, durability, speed, senses (basically anything he wants) to Superman's level with quantum energy.

Again, I repeat... it was a horrendously low showing for Nathan.

Originally posted by batdude123
Plus, he can amp his strength, durability, speed, senses (basically anything he wants) to Superman's level with quantum energy.

So what you're saying is... Apollo > Cpt. Atom = Superman?

I can agree with that.

😉

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So what you're saying is... Apollo > Cpt. Atom = Superman?

I can agree with that.

😉

I said after he amps himself up with quantum energy you sly devil, you. 131

Apollo vs WonderWoman goes to WW due to her stamina vs his, but it's laughable to claim he's more on the level of Starfire or Booster Gold.

She might be a shade stronger, but he's easily in the league to break her jaw with a good one.

Let them fight in front of the sun, and he whoops her clay ass.

And Polly beat Nates ass like any good top tier brick owns a low rent energy guy like Atom.

Booster Gold.............................lmao1!

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Polly beat Nates ass like any good top tier brick owns a low rent energy guy like Atom.

Not even close.

I personally see Wonder Woman winning although she'll work for it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HAh. Wonder Woman towed a third of the Earth's Mass against the gravitation pull of the sun. Thus Actually pulling a third the weight of the gravity of the sun. It was like each of them were pulling hundreds of Earths. Now let's see Apollo Even begin to scratch that.

Apollo is a Ray clone. He looses.